The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

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Absolutely said:
As is the case today.
Boys parading as girls to get access to bathrooms and dressing rooms.


I guess you are not aware the 4 horsemen kick off the gt.

We are not in the gt.

Nor was any judgement going on before lot and noah.
There was buying, selling, marying, etc.

No gt till noah and lot gathered
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No, God's wrath fell after Noah and Lot were gathered.
 
DavidTree said:
You keep falling for the magicians trick of turning the word 'Tribulation' into 'Wrath'.

Time to grow UP into the Image of God by not falling for this trick through twist and turn for all who burn.

Noah faced the greatest tribulation of that time - But God is Faithful and watched "patiently" over Noah until he was in the Ark and then God shut the Door and poured out His Wrath.

Pre-wrath is TRUTH out of the Mouth of God.
pre-trib comes from the mouth of the Serpent.

The same will hold true at the Lord's Coming = Matthew 25:1-13
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Yes

The 4 horsemen are a nothing burger as well as the ac killing ALL REFUSING THE mark is just a small speed bump.

No big deal correct?
 
There is NO BUYING AND SELLING FOR BELIEVERS DURING THE TRIB AND THE AC KILLS ALL REFUSING THE MARK .....
But in some dream world some think it is normal life???

Huh????
Wow
 
Evmur said:
No, God's wrath fell after Noah and Lot were gathered.
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Do you realize you have no point at all?

What are you illustrating?

The gt kicks off with famine, murder, animals gone crazy killing humans, the seas poisoned, the ac killing all without the mark, no buying/selling.

And you are thinking all is ok because God is not behind it?

Lets get real
Both noah and lot are gathered.
Both of them gathered prejudgement.

You actually unaware that in the OT GOD USED NATIONS TO JUDGE HIS PEOPLE??????

THAT IS JUDGEMENT.

GOD BRINGING JUDGEMENT INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY.

Again
..what do you think you are illustrating?

There is not any trib/ then rapture dynamic in lot or noah

Nothing at all
 
Absolutely said:
The gt kicks off with famine, murder, animals gone crazy killing humans, the seas poisoned, the ac killing all without the mark, no buying/selling.
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Nope. The great Trib doesn't "kick off" with all this.

It does, however, "kick off" with the 4 horsemen. Study the first 3 and tell me you see no evidence of any of that yet.

The mark doesn't occur until after the first half.

btw, the word for "wild beasts" in Rev 6:8 is used throughout Revelation and some uses refer to political and military leaders.

So, think about it.

Lets get real
Both noah and lot are gathered.
Both of them gathered prejudgement.
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OK, let's do get real.

Were either Noah and Lot removed from earth? No.

If you really want to "get real", admit that none of the rapture verses show Jesus taking resurrected people to heaven, which is the very basis for the "pretrib" theory.
 
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Absolutely said:
i can help.

He pointed out act 1.
Which rips postrib rapture all by itself.
You know.
One of many omissions of postrib rapture.
But lo, we are here to help you with the entire word.
Not a postrib rapture debunked workbook that only works with our verses omitted
Nothing is new
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As usual, no pre-trib found in the Word = Acts 1 rejects the lie of pre-trib

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven,
will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matt 24
 
Absolutely said:
Do you realize you have no point at all?

What are you illustrating?

The gt kicks off with famine, murder, animals gone crazy killing humans, the seas poisoned, the ac killing all without the mark, no buying/selling.

And you are thinking all is ok because God is not behind it?

Lets get real
Both noah and lot are gathered.
Both of them gathered prejudgement.

You actually unaware that in the OT GOD USED NATIONS TO JUDGE HIS PEOPLE??????

THAT IS JUDGEMENT.

GOD BRINGING JUDGEMENT INDIRECTLY OR DIRECTLY.

Again
..what do you think you are illustrating?

There is not any trib/ then rapture dynamic in lot or noah

Nothing at all
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I dispute your reading of Revelations
 
Romans 1:18
New King James Version

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who [a]suppress the truth in unrighteousness,


Psalm 2:12
New King James Version

12 [a]Kiss the Son, lest [b]He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.


Ephesians 5:6
New King James Version

6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.


John 3:36
New King James Version

36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
 
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Evmur said:
No, God's wrath fell after Noah and Lot were gathered.
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I guess you have no idea how bad the trib is.

I can see any point you are making....the ONLY way anyone could hold to that is if noah or lot had something similar going on.

Please specifically point to either and inclide the extreme horrors and judgement sent to th
DavidTree said:
As usual, no pre-trib found in the Word = Acts 1 rejects the lie of pre-trib

Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven?
This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven,
will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matt 24
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"""As usual, no pre-trib found in the Word = Acts 1 rejects the lie of pre-trib"""

Lol...comical that the wording omits any possibility of any position but pretrib rapture

You have to make " like manner" of no horses, peacetime, solo except with angels, and no warrior dynamic, no accompanying horses blackening the sky, no buying/ selling prohibited/ no mark of the beast, no destroyed earth with half of mankind destroyed....and on and on.

Postrib fails on how many fronts?????

Please do take a shot at it.

I want to see some real crafty reframing of Gods word today.

Gonna take some real postrib searching on youtube to get any traction.

Face it....your deal is done my friend.
Any one of the pretrib rapture verses blows a huge hole in postrib rapture.

Any ONE of our verses.

Much less the arsonal of the entire council of God.

I would love to see a practical reconciling of acts one "like manner"

It can be done honestly.

You are welcome.
 
FreeGrace2 said:
Nope. The great Trib doesn't "kick off" with all this.

It does, however, "kick off" with the 4 horsemen. Study the first 3 and tell me you see no evidence of any of that yet.

The mark doesn't occur until after the first half.

btw, the word for "wild beasts" in Rev 6:8 is used throughout Revelation and some uses refer to political and military leaders.

So, think about it.


OK, let's do get real.

Were either Noah and Lot removed from earth? No.

If you really want to "get real", admit that none of the rapture verses show Jesus taking resurrected people to heaven, which is the very basis for the "pretrib" theory.
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"Removed"

Make it say something else.

Then ignore, that noah was gathered and taken over a mile into the heavens, uh left earth, then RETURNED POST TRIB.

HUH????

VIVID pretrib rapture illustration on both men.
Vivid.

Pretrib removal of both men.

But hey take a shot at it.
 
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Roar said:
Romans 1:18
New King James Version

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who [a]suppress the truth in unrighteousness,


Psalm 2:12
New King James Version

12 [a]Kiss the Son, lest [b]He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.


Ephesians 5:6
New King James Version

6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.


John 3:36
New King James Version

36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
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Amen
Good verses.

As a pretribber I also embrace the word of God
 
Absolutely said:
I guess you have no idea how bad the trib is.

I can see any point you are making....the ONLY way anyone could hold to that is if noah or lot had something similar going on.

Please specifically point to either and inclide the extreme horrors and judgement sent to th

"""As usual, no pre-trib found in the Word = Acts 1 rejects the lie of pre-trib"""

Lol...comical that the wording omits any possibility of any position but pretrib rapture

You have to make " like manner" of no horses, peacetime, solo except with angels, and no warrior dynamic, no accompanying horses blackening the sky, no buying/ selling prohibited/ no mark of the beast, no destroyed earth with half of mankind destroyed....and on and on.

Postrib fails on how many fronts?????

Please do take a shot at it.

I want to see some real crafty reframing of Gods word today.

Gonna take some real postrib searching on youtube to get any traction.

Face it....your deal is done my friend.
Any one of the pretrib rapture verses blows a huge hole in postrib rapture.

Any ONE of our verses.

Much less the arsonal of the entire council of God.

I would love to see a practical reconciling of acts one "like manner"

It can be done honestly.

You are welcome.
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Dear Brother, you have believed the lie of pre-trib for so long that you mind can no longer "Rightly divide the Word of Truth."

There is a cure and mercy can be found, IF you yield yourself to IT. But, if you hold fast to the idol, the Lord will not rescue you from it.

Very soon, all who have been clinging to th eidol of pre-trib will have there hearts dashed as their idol will be dashed when the Mark is nocking at your door.

Many who name the name of Christ will take that Mark because they will be convinced it isn't.

But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.
Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal:
“The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

Take notice, the Scripture says "EVERYONE".
 
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