poll can a person still come out of hell. mutiple votes allowed

[JaumeJ]

We are taught we cannot serve God and mammon.

 

[de-emerald]

You don't understand the gospel at all. Read Romans .

This is your oppinion. but quite a presumptous one. It may have been better if you said could you allow me to share my beliefs. but im sure you do have this star quaility anyhow.

1. "As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;" Romans 3:10

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23

Every single person is a sinner. Sinners go to hell.

do you believe everyone will go to hell first before heaven ?

2. There is a way to escape hell, if you do it before you die.
"Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," Romans 5:1
justified = made righteous! How does this happen?.

I believe you are miss not understanding scripture in full here flower.. the punishement of hell has nothing to do with escaping, once this punisment is dished out that is where you will go.. my question is something you are miss understanding...my question is can punishement in hell not be forever.. but this by no means talking about escaping hell.

"You see, at just the right time,when we were still powerless,Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Well this is a good point Jesus did and would still do which is more to the point.. That when Jesus died for the UnGodly sinner it means they where dead in the spirit when he died for them.. The sinners he died for where all dead in the spirit and on there way to hell. This is the whole Gospel that there will also be sinners in hell who are dead in the spirit just as there are now alive in the body. Does Jesus need to die for them again ? well no but punishement does have to be served and reguardless of the cicrcumstances that is what will happen. but surely thiefing an apple should not be eternal hell for ever and ever and ever should it ?.. now you could say that is different but i say no,, not when it comes to what is written.. it says you thiefs will burn in hell. And then the argument could be well you had chance to repent.. well that is still a sin to not repenting that is,, the bible says the only sin that is unforgiven is blasphomy against the holy spirit...it doesnt say not repenting is unforgiven

9 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wraththrough him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!" Romans 5:6-10.

How much more shall we be saved from Gods wrath ?.. well thats the trouble with some peoples lack of understanding.. Jesus still dies over and over again and so do his children.. Again thos can we use this scripture to say there is no way out of hell, because as we see here wrath happens to many who are a live in the body to.. even the rightous person can die in unrepented sin.

Christ died for us! Why? Because of his great love for us (v 8) Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit, who saves us. We believe and repent!

this is true but unrenting is not an unforgiven sin.

"For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ" Romans 4:17.

can this also be used for those in hell to say it is now to late ? or is this also the case you can recieve the punishemnt of hell while you are alive in the body and be banished ? befor you have died in the body.. now you may say no but there is one sin that is unforgiven.

The only way to be saved is through Jesus death on the. Cross. Jesus took ALL the punishment. We need. To acknowledge and understand that Jesus alone sets us free.

3. Only Jesus sets us free, in this life. No purgatory, masses or punishment by us will ever save us. Only the blood of Jesus!

"7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin." 1 John 1:7

"For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." Col. 1:19-20

"In him we have redemptionthrough his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace" Eph. 1:7

Nothing but Christ's blood can save. No works, no punishment. No Catholic rites & rituals.

Being saved is great but once you are saved could you still blashomy the holy spirit ?
maybe you could not personaly.. but could you also die with an unrepented sin and what would happen to you if you did ?. Now being saved is diffrent because not all had the chance to be saved befor Jesus came intot the world, all sinners where on the way to hell,, has this changed ? because surely you could still die in a sin. now some would say well if you die in sin you where not saved in the first place... I would say no sin is sin...

4. When Christ saves us, we belong to him.

"Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you. free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:1-2

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory." Eph. 1:13-14

"For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory." Romans 8:14-17

This is the hope we have in Christ Jesus.

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." Roman's 8:28-30

"What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?33 Who will bring any chargeagainst those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future,nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Roman's 8:31-39

5. Again, one way to heaven! One way to God! God in his mercy gives us grace by faith!

"What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." Roman's 9:14-15
5. Remember that our own obligation us to believe, confess and repent. The Holy Spirit gives us the power to do these things.

"Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes." Roman's 10:4

"But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believein your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” Roman's 10:8-11

Read Romans a few times. It really lays out the gospel and salvation clearly!

God has compassion God has mercy. God wants you clean befor you stand in his persence,, that is the best way for you walk in honor and dignity.. if you are clean befor you stand befor God is he going to resend you back to hell,, because the bible says all will stand befor God.. and all must be cleansed befor they stand befor God nothing unclean can stand befor God..

 

[de-emerald]

The question in the OP Title is very misleading............ because of the word "still" I suspect.

Regardless, it is even more misleading to suggest to Christians, some of whom may be new/young believers, that they can live in sin, die, go to eternal damnation, and STILL receive eternal salvation somehow..........

...........goodness.............

thanks for your suggestion but your wrong to think i could want to miss lead anyone but right to belief people can be miss lead.. just like you can be miss lead someone too when your wrong and have been wrong a few times allready about me. that is all thankyou

 

[de-emerald]

We are taught we cannot serve God and mammon.

Who can you serve in hell ?

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not practice responses to non sequiturs. Nice try though.

 

[de-emerald]

I thought we where friends how come your getting personal ? its a fair question who can you serve in hell ?.

 

[JaumeJ]

I certainly apologize if your question was not addressed to me, however it immediately follows my post and that particular question does not relate whatsoever to the spirite of repeating the teaching of the Word.

I did see it wrong, you were responding to my post. Your question whould make some sense were it related to my post. Because it is not, it makes absolutely no sense in what is presumed to be dialogue. Sorry, I msut stand by my post.

 

[de-emerald]

I certainly apologize if your question was not addressed to me, however it immediately follows my post and that particular question does not relate whatsoever to the spirite of repeating the teaching of the Word.

I did see it wrong, you were responding to my post. Your question whould make some sense were it related to my post. Because it is not, it makes absolutely no sense in what is presumed to be dialogue. Sorry, I msut stand by my post.

The question of who you can you serve in hell is nobody untill your punishment is over in my book.

Im unsure of the punishment of hell being for ever and ever and ever. why would you want to class that as serving a mammon.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the penalty of sin is death

The gift of God is eternal life

The gift of God can ONLY be recieved in this lifetime. Once this lifetime has past. The ability to recieve the gift has passed.

For those who have been saved, they have passed from death to life.

For those who have not been saved. They remain in this spiritually dead state. Where they will appear before the great white throne judgment. This is their last hope.

Unfortunately, once at this point, they have no hope. Because they have rejected the one thing which could have saved them. The gospel of Christ. Their works do not stand up. They are unable to pay for their sin debt. Hence they have lost all hope of being made alive. And suffer what scripture calls the second death. This death is eternal. And those who suffer it are cast into the lake of fire created for satan and his angels.

This is an eternal death. There is no hope. No one will get out! It is basically eternal seperation from God. Which is HELL.

The only payment for sin was shown in the law. An innocent must suffer for the guilty. A person can not pay for his or her own sins. Hence, if they reject the one innocent lamb of God who came to free them from the penalty of sin. They rejected the only hope they had of redemption.

There is no redemption in hell.

 

[de-emerald]

the penalty of sin is death

The gift of God is eternal life

The gift of God can ONLY be recieved in this lifetime. Once this lifetime has past. The ability to recieve the gift has passed.

For those who have been saved, they have passed from death to life.

For those who have not been saved. They remain in this spiritually dead state. Where they will appear before the great white throne judgment. This is their last hope.

Unfortunately, once at this point, they have no hope. Because they have rejected the one thing which could have saved them. The gospel of Christ. Their works do not stand up. They are unable to pay for their sin debt. Hence they have lost all hope of being made alive. And suffer what scripture calls the second death. This death is eternal. And those who suffer it are cast into the lake of fire created for satan and his angels.

This is an eternal death. There is no hope. No one will get out! It is basically eternal seperation from God. Which is HELL.

The only payment for sin was shown in the law. An innocent must suffer for the guilty. A person can not pay for his or her own sins. Hence, if they reject the one innocent lamb of God who came to free them from the penalty of sin. They rejected the only hope they had of redemption.

There is no redemption in hell.

Hi eternaly gratefull I am familiar with the scripture

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But what happens if you die with an unrepented sin ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi eternaly gratefull I am familiar with the scripture

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But what happens if you die with an unrepented sin ?

All sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men

Those are jesus words.

There are some sins we do I bet we do not even know are sins. And we will not know until we get to heaven.

If you do not know they are sins, how can you repent of them?

Well you can’t

So if unrepentant sin keeps us from heaven. I doubt anyone will get there

 

[de-emerald]

All sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men

Those are jesus words.

There are some sins we do I bet we do not even know are sins. And we will not know until we get to heaven.

If you do not know they are sins, how can you repent of them?

Well you can’t

So if unrepentant sin keeps us from heaven. I doubt anyone will get there

ok then so what would be your thoughts on how do you get purified if you die in sin. so what would be the purification of sin. baring in mind we cant use the same concept of Jesus being cleansed befor he ascended to heaven because he never sinned...

I personaly feel whether you knew it was sin or not you still have to be purified of sin befor you stand befor the lord. Would you agree that if you where saved that the lord would tel you that you where sinning ? and could you be tricked by the devil to say you where not sinning ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ok then so what would be your thoughts on how do you get purified if you die in sin. so what would be the purification of sin. baring in mind we cant use the same concept of Jesus being cleansed befor he ascended to heaven because he never sinned...

I personaly feel whether you knew it was sin or not you still have to be purified of sin befor you stand befor the lord. Would you agree that if you where saved the lord would tel you where sinning ? and could you tricked by the devil to say you where not sinning ?

There is only one way to be redeemed (purified)

Just as Moses lifted the serpent. So must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes in him will not perish but has eternal life. For God so love the world he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not perish but has eternal life. He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

For by grace we have been saved through faith.

For by the law, all things are purified wiht blood. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission

knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Not sure why you are looking elsewhere. What are you trying to get at?

You question was can anyone get out of hell. Let’s stick to that topic please.

 

[de-emerald]

There is only one way to be redeemed (purified)

Just as Moses lifted the serpent. So must the son of man be lifted up that whoever believes in him will not perish but has eternal life. For God so love the world he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will not perish but has eternal life. He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

For by grace we have been saved through faith.

For by the law, all things are purified wiht blood. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission

knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Not sure why you are looking elsewhere. What are you trying to get at?

You question was can anyone get out of hell. Let’s stick to that topic please.

I am sticking on topic. Your right the question is can a person come of hell. but many seem to think the question is can you be saved in hell. or is coming out of hell and being the saved the same idea to you and others here ?.

from where i am coming from being saved only refers to when you are alive in the body. where as hell equals punishement.. Now there are many scriptures to say punishment can be served for a set amout of time and you can become saved while you are a live in the body,, which seems to be the nature of God. so why should God change his mind for punishement that has not been served. because when you Get sentenced to Hell it is only then when your true punishment starts.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am sticking on topic. Your right the question is can a person come of hell. but many seem to think the question is can you be saved in hell. or is coming out of hell and being the saved the same idea to you and others here ?.

from where i am coming from being saved only refers to when you are alive in the body. where as hell equals punishement.. Now there are many scriptures to say punishment can be served for a set amout of time and you can become saved while you are a live in the body,, which seems to be the nature of God. so why should God change his mind for punishement that has not been served. because when you Get sentenced to Hell it is only then when your true punishment starts.

punishment or the penalty of sin is death. Not hell

Hell is just the final resting place of those who remain dead because of sin, because they have rejected the one who could have saved them. Christ.

 

[de-emerald]

punishment or the penalty of sin is death. Not hell

Hell is just the final resting place of those who remain dead because of sin, because they have rejected the one who could have saved them. Christ.

This only addresses one aspect of sinning and actually is a very good way to look at sin not being eternal punishement too. do you realize that can also be seen as escaping hell too ?.

 

[Runningman]

What's interesting to me, is that the Greek word used for "pulling them" out of the fire in Jude 1:23 is the same word used for "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Jude 1:23
23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Jocund]

Can a person come out of Hell? Yes, most Christians would agree that Christ descended into hell (Hades) and on the third day rose again. Also, everyone in hell (Hades) is pulled out on the day of judgement. No one is in Hades forever.

I assume the question was really intended to be: Can a person be sent to hell and find Christ (find salvation) before the judgement?

Hades (hell)? maybe.

Lake of Fire (hell), after the judgement? No.

Some editions of the bible including the KJV don't always make an effort to differentiate between Hades and the Lake of Fire. This can be lead to misconceptions about what scripture actually says.

It is possible that one's fate is sealed at death. The phrase 'first comes death, then judgement' comes up from time to time in these conversations. Some will interpret that it is implied to mean judgement is sealed at the moment of death, others will interpret this simply as a description of chronology and that it is still possible for any conscious mind to find Christ before the judgement.

To my knowledge, scripture never explicitly says that people in the rich man's part of Hades can't reach out to Christ and find salvation. But even then a possibility is not a guarantee. If there was a narrow door for those in Hades, it doesn't mean that many would find it. And it seems to be the case that one's location in Hades is more or less permanent until the day of judgement (the rich man can't cross the divide). After months of talking about this in a different thread, I believe that both interpretations (doomed at death vs. God can save dead people too) are consistent with scripture by themselves.

I personally don't find the doomed at death interpretation to be compelling, as salvation after death could just be another tool in God's toolbox for saving individuals. God works in mysterious ways. Who are we to rule out what God may do?

We see in scripture that even dead people that are saved are subject to remorse and burdensome negative emotions prior to the purification. Being saved and on the path to New Jerusalem isn't painless.

The big cultural issue with this subject is how we respect the dead. In the RCC for instance, for a very long time it was held that suicide was an irredeemable (mortal) sin that would destine one for eternal hellfire. The place of one's burial alongside family would be revoked because they were no longer considered in good standing with the church. Even if they had lived a virtuous Christian life as a loving neighbour right up until the end, the sentiment was that "they are worthless" and that they would never find peace in death. The RCC changed their stance on the subject of suicide in recent history to simply say God works in mysterious ways and it is for God to judge the matter. There is some danger of disturbing the peace between believers by making formulaic and unnecessary claims about who ends up in hell and how the mechanics of hell and salvation work (beyond what scripture actually says). For that reason alone I believe it is fruitful to reject the concept that 'those that enter hell are necessary forever unsaved.'

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This only addresses one aspect of sinning and actually is a very good way to look at sin not being eternal punishement too. do you realize that can also be seen as escaping hell too ?.

sin is not an eternal punishment

rejection of Christ is

You seem to be confused. Or at the least your confused us.

I think Like Angela said, you have an issue with the gospel

Your trying to escape hell. Your not trying to become Gods child. Your thinking of self. Not God. What can you do to escape hell?

The answer with nothing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can a person come out of Hell? Yes, most Christians would agree that Christ descended into hell (Hades) and on the third day rose again. Also, everyone in hell (Hades) is pulled out on the day of judgement. No one is in Hades forever.

I assume the question was really intended to be: Can a person be sent to hell and find Christ (find salvation) before the judgement?

Hades (hell)? maybe.

Lake of Fire (hell), after the judgement? No.

Some editions of the bible including the KJV don't always make an effort to differentiate between Hades and the Lake of Fire. This can be lead to misconceptions about what scripture actually says.

It is possible that one's fate is sealed at death. The phrase 'first comes death, then judgement' comes up from time to time in these conversations. Some will interpret that it is implied to mean judgement is sealed at the moment of death, others will interpret this simply as a description of chronology and that it is still possible for any conscious mind to find Christ before the judgement.

To my knowledge, scripture never explicitly says that people in the rich man's part of Hades can't reach out to Christ and find salvation. But even then a possibility is not a guarantee. If there was a narrow door for those in Hades, it doesn't mean that many would find it. And it seems to be the case that one's location in Hades is more or less permanent until the day of judgement (the rich man can't cross the divide). After months of talking about this in a different thread, I believe that both interpretations (doomed at death vs. God can save dead people too) are consistent with scripture by themselves.

I personally don't find the doomed at death interpretation to be compelling, as salvation after death could just be another tool in God's toolbox for saving individuals. God works in mysterious ways. Who are we to rule out what God may do?

We see in scripture that even dead people that are saved are subject to remorse and burdensome negative emotions prior to the purification. Being saved and on the path to New Jerusalem isn't painless.

The big cultural issue with this subject is how we respect the dead. In the RCC for instance, for a very long time it was held that suicide was an irredeemable (mortal) sin that would destine one for eternal hellfire. The place of one's burial alongside family would be revoked because they were no longer considered in good standing with the church. Even if they had lived a virtuous Christian life as a loving neighbour right up until the end, the sentiment was that "they are worthless" and that they would never find peace in death. The RCC changed their stance on the subject of suicide in recent history to simply say God works in mysterious ways and it is for God to judge the matter. There is some danger of disturbing the peace between believers by making formulaic and unnecessary claims about who ends up in hell and how the mechanics of hell and salvation work (beyond what scripture actually says). For that reason alone I believe it is fruitful to reject the concept that 'those that enter hell are necessary forever unsaved.'

Hades is not hell

And no believer goes to hades. They go to paradise.

Hades is delievered to Christ for judgment. Nor raised by him for life