What are you thoughts on Annihilation?
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Yahshua,
I was raised in a denomination that taught eternal torment. Then was in a nondenominational church that inferred it without preaching it, and after that a denomination that believed in eternal torment but did not 'outright' teach it. It was only after I prayed for God to reveal to me the mystery of the gospel that the scales fell off my eyes. I was living with this incongruity-- I would ask myself questions, such as How can it be 'eternal torment' --does death not mean death? Does destroy not mean destroy? Did Christ really pay the penalty? Honestly when I asked these questions it took a matter of MINUTES to discover the truth- simply by reading the scripture and comparing scripture to scripture -by taking the time to investigate it for myself.
I was raised in a denomination that taught eternal torment. Then was in a nondenominational church that inferred it without preaching it, and after that a denomination that believed in eternal torment but did not 'outright' teach it. It was only after I prayed for God to reveal to me the mystery of the gospel that the scales fell off my eyes. I was living with this incongruity-- I would ask myself questions, such as How can it be 'eternal torment' --does death not mean death? Does destroy not mean destroy? Did Christ really pay the penalty? Honestly when I asked these questions it took a matter of MINUTES to discover the truth- simply by reading the scripture and comparing scripture to scripture -by taking the time to investigate it for myself.
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Forever is also disproved as meaning without end several places in the Bible, and I see you have already pointed at least one of them out. People must not confuse God's eternal Self-existence with words that simply mean "for an age." But they do. There are several passages that show this and they can be repeatedly shown and then the one who has read them will turn around and speak as if they never saw them! We have people saying living as a born again person is of no use if the wicked are simply destroyed. How short sighted is their vision? Oh, and let us not forget, then the wicked get what they want! To simply cease to exist, as if anyone in their right mind wants that 
"Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat.
"And narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it."
Matthew 25:46
Jesus said the wicked "go into everlasting punishment," and what this everlasting punishment
consists of is explained by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9: that when Jesus shall be revealed
from heaven, the wicked shall be "punished with everlasting destruction."
Hebrews 10:27
"Judgment and fiery indignation shall devour the adversary."
Jesus said in Matthew 10:28 "... Fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Some must think Jesus gives false testimony.
Philippians 3:19 regarding the fleshly-minded --
"Their end is destruction."
2 Peter 2:12
"These, as natural brute beasts . . . shall utterly perish in their own corruption."
Psalm 37:20
"The wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the
fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away."
Malachi 4:1 --
"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea,
and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn
them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch."
Psalm 145:20 --
"The Lord preserveth all them that love Him, but all the wicked will He destroy."
"Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat.
"And narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it."
Matthew 25:46
Jesus said the wicked "go into everlasting punishment," and what this everlasting punishment
consists of is explained by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9: that when Jesus shall be revealed
from heaven, the wicked shall be "punished with everlasting destruction."
Hebrews 10:27
"Judgment and fiery indignation shall devour the adversary."
Jesus said in Matthew 10:28 "... Fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
Some must think Jesus gives false testimony.
Philippians 3:19 regarding the fleshly-minded --
"Their end is destruction."
2 Peter 2:12
"These, as natural brute beasts . . . shall utterly perish in their own corruption."
Psalm 37:20
"The wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the
fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away."
Malachi 4:1 --
"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea,
and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn
them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch."
Psalm 145:20 --
"The Lord preserveth all them that love Him, but all the wicked will He destroy."
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it is sad that we would give you respect and not agree with your position but WE have not said you embrace doctrines of demons.
Then I get in trouble because I see that as weak and cowardly to say such a thing to people you would not say it ones face. You to I will place on ignore so I do not get in trouble. But I will warn you, That kind of talk will have you banned sooner than later. NOT annihilated but banned
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Funny that…
I was speaking with an atheist (I don’t think a true atheist exists btw) about this very thing, Hell, heaven, eternal damnation, etc. He brought it up.
Any way, he made a snide comment to the effect of “Well, you won’t have to worry about me, I’ll be burning forever in Hell…”. Something like that. I said, “No you won’t“ and I explained the scriptures related to what will happen when a person, not in Christ, dies, including annihilation.
He was taken aback. He never heard that sound, Christians were always ready to condemn him to Hell before he got there.
He had more questions. We ended up talking for quite some time. He checks in from time to time. He likes to tell me what he’s been up to and how his family is fairing. He’ll often ask for my perspective about his issues. He knows where I come from and my belief but he never objects to the things I say to him. I consider him a friend.
I was speaking with an atheist (I don’t think a true atheist exists btw) about this very thing, Hell, heaven, eternal damnation, etc. He brought it up.
Any way, he made a snide comment to the effect of “Well, you won’t have to worry about me, I’ll be burning forever in Hell…”. Something like that. I said, “No you won’t“ and I explained the scriptures related to what will happen when a person, not in Christ, dies, including annihilation.
He was taken aback. He never heard that sound, Christians were always ready to condemn him to Hell before he got there.
He had more questions. We ended up talking for quite some time. He checks in from time to time. He likes to tell me what he’s been up to and how his family is fairing. He’ll often ask for my perspective about his issues. He knows where I come from and my belief but he never objects to the things I say to him. I consider him a friend.
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it is sad that we would give you respect and not agree with your position but WE have not said you embrace doctrines of demons.
Then I get in trouble because I see that as weak and cowardly to say such a thing to people you would not say it ones face. You to I will place on ignore so I do not get in trouble. But I will warn you, That kind of talk will have you banned sooner than later. NOT annihilated but banned.
Then I get in trouble because I see that as weak and cowardly to say such a thing to people you would not say it ones face. You to I will place on ignore so I do not get in trouble. But I will warn you, That kind of talk will have you banned sooner than later. NOT annihilated but banned
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"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and doctrine of demons."--2nd Timothy 4:2
We know that any false teaching that is opposed to God and His word is "the doctrine of demons"--to attribute evil to God is the 'doctrine of demons'. I am not calling anyone here a demon--the ones deceived aren't aware they are deceived until they at some point see the truth. As one believer pointed out to me the first lie Satan told mankind was "You shall not surely die."
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Yes.
The Bible says that trespasses and sins against God cause spiritual death.
Proverbs 8:36, Romans 6:23, Colossians 2:13, Ephesians 2:1-3, 1 John 5:12, etc.
I am seeing that, contrary to the doctrine of eternal torment, that the unrighteous will be destroyed with a death sentence.
I do not see how anyone, in any way, remains alive forever in hell to experience conscious torment.
The Bible says that trespasses and sins against God cause spiritual death.
Proverbs 8:36, Romans 6:23, Colossians 2:13, Ephesians 2:1-3, 1 John 5:12, etc.
I am seeing that, contrary to the doctrine of eternal torment, that the unrighteous will be destroyed with a death sentence.
I do not see how anyone, in any way, remains alive forever in hell to experience conscious torment.
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I'm having a hard time comprehending why some Christians believe our Heavenly Father would torture His creation for all eternity. Is it even conceivable to some of you that a benevolent merciful God would do anything that UNmerciful? Think of the never-ending screaming! Is that the kind of thing a parent would do to his child? Not a chance; there’s no way.
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it is sad that we would give you respect and not agree with your position but WE have not said you embrace doctrines of demons.
Then I get in trouble because I see that as weak and cowardly to say such a thing to people you would not say it ones face. You to I will place on ignore so I do not get in trouble. But I will warn you, That kind of talk will have you banned sooner than later. NOT annihilated but banned.
Then I get in trouble because I see that as weak and cowardly to say such a thing to people you would not say it ones face. You to I will place on ignore so I do not get in trouble. But I will warn you, That kind of talk will have you banned sooner than later. NOT annihilated but banned
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I'm sorry that I used that bit in the verse--some people may not be familiar with it and I can see how it sounded harsh--please accept my apologies--it was the doctrine itself and not anyone in this thread I was referring to. I don't want this thread to turn into North and South. Hopefully we all desire to bring forth Truth, ultimately to glorify the Lord. Blessings to you, Laura
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God can't understand how one could reject HIS only Son. And think He would stand by and not do what HE said HE would in place of HIS Holiness and Word. God when HE judges is right no matter what HE does. To be merciful is to accept His grace Through the Lord Jesus Christ. To be foolish would be to reject it then try to appeal to HIS Love to get out of eternal everlasting torment after disrespecting HIS SON who is the only way for salvation. By that Logic
it can be applied to the devil. God created the devil yet he will be tormented day and night. The devil has already be judged he is just out on borrowed time. God is so wrong for doing this to the devil?
it can be applied to the devil. God created the devil yet he will be tormented day and night. The devil has already be judged he is just out on borrowed time. God is so wrong for doing this to the devil?
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They‘re addicted to doctrine and scripture but they don’t know the One who wrote it. They’re defending their denomination, really. They like to be right at the expense of growing in the Lord. I used to be the same way.
They like to “warn” you and throw out words like “holiness” and suggest you need the Spirit of God to show you what they believe. It’s all quite predictable.
They like to “warn” you and throw out words like “holiness” and suggest you need the Spirit of God to show you what they believe. It’s all quite predictable.
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