A law, by definition, is something that defines sin by which a person might be condemned if they practice it.
(see Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, John 10:27).
(see Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 7:23, John 10:27).
Our new relationship to the law.
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You can teach sanctification without teaching the law
You continue to try to teach law. You will get flack from people in here.
Fair warning
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One can keep a law. and still be in sin
You need to learn what true sin is. The law can never help you with that.
A law is just a means that the courts can take you to trial and charge you with a crime so they can impose a punishment for that crime.
The Law of Liberty is simply the Spirit of the Law which says, DO EVERYTHING WITH LOVE IN YOUR HEART. We are liberated from the curse of the Letter of the Law which makes us all guilty. God has made it simple and easy.
By the law is still the knowledge of sin; that is, it points out when we specifically violate the virtue of love in our lives.
True sin is iniquity; and it is something that dwells in the heart. And I would agree with you that the law does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21) or change the heart.
However, it does have the power to convert a soul (Psalms 19:7); in that it shows us that we are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20) as a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ (Galatians 3:24). Therefore the law leads us to Christ who has the power to save us.
I find that being an evangelist will place you at odds with certain Christians.
Because in order to truly win souls to Jesus Christ, you must preach the law; for the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ.
If you are not under the law then rest content in that. I am not preaching to you. I am preaching to those who are still sinners; for it is the sinner to whom the law applies (1 Timothy 1:9).
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The people I am talking about have been converted.
The schoolmaster did its job
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See Matthew 5:10-12; Luke 6:22-23, 1 Timothy 3:10-12.
I'm willing to stand up for what I believe in, even if it draws flack from those who don't understand what I'm saying.
If that is the case, then they are not sinners any longer, in the sense that a sinner is someone who commits sin (1 John 3:5-9).
While they are still sinners in the sense of indwelling sin (1 John 1:8, 1 Timothy 1:15).
Mat 5:17, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20, For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
The knowledge of sin came when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and developed a conscience. This conscience makes us aware of right from wrong and is a law which we are all born with and is a curse because we are all now guilty because of it. Romans 4:15 says that where no law is, there is no transgression. Now we are all born in sin because we all have a conscience and are under law.
The law has the power to convert the soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv)) in that it shows man that he is a sinner in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20) and in this way it is a schoolmaster to lead him to Christ (Galatians 3:24).
Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); and it is written,
Mat 1:21, And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
and,
Tit 2:13, Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15, These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
and,
2Co 5:17, Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
In the Leviticus, 23rd Chapter the sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon. Are the feast of the Lord's. These days are to be observe in their season. In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. These feast days are the plans of God, they represent the future, with example from the past. All Holy Days are not to eat or drink, such as the atonement, but still to be observe. So this is actually what a person would say to someone who do not keep these feast day of the Lord, if they were judging them on those High and Holy Sabbath days, they were keeping. They would quoted Colossians 2: 16-17. So if you keep the first day of the week, Sunday, then it makes no sense to use this verse. You cannot worship other days that’s not written in the Bible to do, and then use the Bible to justify it. So if you keep another day thats not written in the Bible, then you are doing something on your own, thus it would really be contradictorily.
First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.
Let's look some verses you post by Paul talking about to different laws. Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)
Then you post the animal sacrificial law in Romans 7: 4-6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
What law? Not the commandments, so Paul must be talking about another law. Paul explained this in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the Day of Judgment and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
So you're saying it is OK to steal and kill and to commit adultery and to bare false witness, etc...those things that you're saying that we have to separate from, and it's OK to do those things, because we don't have to keep the law. You say it causes division, because we under grace. But, Paul say in Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? NO, we should not sin! Because people who read and understand the word of God knows that Paul say in Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
But Notice what Paul says in the next verse in Roman 7: (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.
Two different laws in the same chapter and you didn't see that...Romans 7: 6, 7
If they are not written in the Bible to do, I would not be able to justify it with the Bible.
And yet, I can justify Sunday worship with the Bible.
1) Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week.
2) When Paul preached in the situation with Eutychus in the book of Acts, it was on a Sunday night, on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
I am very far removed from such an ideology as I have been a believer for quite some time now.
Yes, the commandments.
Not that it is okay. It is very much not okay. But that the one who is truly born again (and is therefore inclined towards righteous living) is forgiven of past, present, and future sin (Romans 4:7-8, Romans 8:38-39, Hebrews 9:12) and is therefore not condemned by the law.
Is there then no motivation for keeping the law? There is a motivation...the Holy Ghost who dwells within us and has shed abroad His love in our hearts (Romans 5:5). We obey the ten commandments because of this love (Romans 13:8-10), (while the sabbath day is not a matter of a specific day but is fulfilled in the concept of what Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30) and can be fulfilled on any day of the week that you may have to rest. As that is the spirit of what is written and not the letter (Romans 7:6).
And yet, if we did, the verse is saying that grace would indeed abound.
Give us? How many are you?
Romans 8:2-8
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The bolded, above, is the Perfect Law of Liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:6-9
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
The ministration of the New Testament which is the Ministration of the Spirit and the Ministration of Righteousness is the Perfect Law of Liberty.
Which sets us free from the Ministration of Sin and Death and Condemnation.
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If you still need a knowledge of sin. You are in deep trouble
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