He placed it "before the flood"
1 thes 4 places the dead in christ raised then raptured with the living.
You are wrong....or the bible is.
THE RAPTURE/END OF DAYS
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1 thes 4 places the dead in christ raised then raptured with the living.
You are wrong....or the bible is.
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Omegatime
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Since there is only one resurrection for the righteous (1st resurrection ), I suppose you say no one is saved in the Tribulation if the resurrection/rapture happens pre-trib
Except I am not in the camp of pre or post Trib rapture. I am Amalineial .
I believe we are living in the tribulations NOW. And, when that Eastern Sky splits, and Jesus descends......the trump sounds, all earth will know, and every knee bow and every tongue confess Jesus.......THAT WILL BE IT! There will be NOTHING ELSE....except the Judgement, and eternal reward or punishment...........
Then the bible is mistaken.
Only the dead in christ are resurrected at the first resurrection.
In the general resurrection AFTER THE MILL., THE Righteous SHEEP ARE SEPARATED FROM THE HEATHEN GOATS.
So no, your claim false
I can lay out one gathering verse after another. All pretrib.
Then 2 mid trib to heaven (jews)
Then yet another immediately before the end of the trib into the winepress
Either the bible is wrong or you are..
But one or the other is wrong
No 4 horsemen have been released.
No antichrist ruling.
Free commerce. No mark anywhere
No 144k sealed.
No markers at all.
Zero
To support we are in the great tribulation.
That also ignores the purpose of the trib, the ac, and the rapture.
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Omegatime
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Sheep were not righteous by grace thru faith but by works were they not???????? Need to get your story in the correct age!!!!! A new term now--general resurrection!!!!!!!!!!
After the mill is the general resurrection. You can not honestly change that. It is the resurrection of all humans to the GWTJ.
Bible = Sheep/ goats
But your version is
Goats/Goats
Are you speaking of the resurrection of Jesus? It has already occurred. If you are speaking of all men being resurrected upon the return of Jesus, that IS what the Rapture IS.
Every man who ever lived will come out from whatever grave they are in and will face judgement........EVERY knee shall bow, and EVERY tongue confess.......
Just read Scripture with understanding......
The Resurrection is not the rapture but they are connected to the Coming of the LORD with the same glorious outcome.
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord,
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel,
and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Reading with spiritual understanding is required I suppose:
THE RAPTURE/END OF TIME
I believe we are living now in the Tribulations. These are the "end times" spoken of by Jesus, and I believe every day the "end of days" draws nearer when Jesus shall return for His Church! I believe this will be the "end of time," and there will be NO second chances, no "do overs," or any such. When the Eastern Sky splits and Jesus descends to gather His Church and rapture them up to be with Him forever, that will be it! All that will remain will be the Judgement........
Below are Scriptures concerning the rapture..........
1 Thessalonians, Chapter 4:
14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17_ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 15:
34) Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58) Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
John, Chapter 5:
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Mark, Chapter 13:
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Matthew 24:27 - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
THE RAPTURE/END OF TIME
I believe we are living now in the Tribulations. These are the "end times" spoken of by Jesus, and I believe every day the "end of days" draws nearer when Jesus shall return for His Church! I believe this will be the "end of time," and there will be NO second chances, no "do overs," or any such. When the Eastern Sky splits and Jesus descends to gather His Church and rapture them up to be with Him forever, that will be it! All that will remain will be the Judgement........
Below are Scriptures concerning the rapture..........
1 Thessalonians, Chapter 4:
14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17_ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Corinthians, Chapter 15:
34) Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58) Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
John, Chapter 5:
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Mark, Chapter 13:
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
Matthew 24:27 - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
AGREE - When HE Comes it's either you're IN or you're OUT and no second chances = Matthew 25:1-13
the error of pre-trib leads to more errors and heresy such as a rapture before the Resurrection and "tribulation saints after a pre-trib rapture which leads to more heresy such as 'two different gospels' one for the Jew and one for the Gentile.
It does not stop, becuase once a person enters are the path of error it leads to more and more.
Correct, and Biblically, it will be DOUBLE deception, after The Body Of CHRIST
"Departs To Heaven!!":
"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of The Truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not The Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
(2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)
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Omegatime
Guest
Your scripture is certainly relevant but your understanding of being inside the tribulation is wrong IMO
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
ww1 and WW2 were the worst tribulations this world has ever seen
the great tribulation spoken of by Jesus will be worse. Most likely far worse.
Hard to imagine!! But it is true
your so right. This is nothing. We do not even know what true tribulation is.
Your understanding of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is full of confusion. So let's clarify:
1. The Resurrection/Rapture is ONE SINGLE EVENT, with the Resurrection just ahead of the .
2. The "First Resurrection" is in three phases: (1) Christ the First Fruits, (2) the Resurrection/Rapture as the main harvest, and (3) the Tribulation saints as the gleanings.
3. There is only ONE Gospel, and during the Church Age God does not distinguish between Jews and Gentiles.
4. After the completion of the Church with its full complement of Gentiles, and the Rapture, God will once again resume His direct dealings with Israel.