Vaccination?

[Aidan1]

I am not sure how they could tell.

What if it was neither. it is all a guessing game by now. The only way they could really tell is if there was a test of the heart done prior to covid or vaccine and that test showed no troubles.

Otherwise. you can;t tell if it is new. or old. or what caused it.

I know my sister in law went to see her doctor after a severe case of Covid. And she had heart damage.

Which damage she exactly has? Long and post covid studies shows that even when the patients had an light covidinfection the heart can be damaged.
One test shows from 100 patients between 45 and 53 years old 75% had afterwards heartproblems.
However with vaccine is there a risk, but a much greater risk is with covid.

 

[DavidTree]

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All I can do is give it to God. He created everything and if He want to heal He will. My eyes have been opened to what's going on and that's a plus. He has blinded Satan's seed to the truth from the beginning. God is the same forever and ever. I never signed up for Christian Chat for such controversy or character assassination. I signed up for fellowship to find Brothers and Sisters who are like minded to share the truth of the gospel to be one with. But as in every church you will have Tares that will tear apart the very fabric of what we believe. Ironically in Jesus's name. By their fruits you will know them that is because they cant help themselves. I am 66years old and am not worried for what comes tomorrow. Even tho I know that there is a storm coming and it's just going to get worse.

Gods Blessings

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4For the weapons of our warfare are not [a]carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

 

[Aidan1]

One would think, but I know that many hospitals are labeling such patients as unvaxxers filling up their beds.

Not in my hospital. And i suppose the most would not do so.
Every patient who enters our hospital is asked about he is vaxxed or not and is testet about Covid.

 

[Aidan1]

And furthermore, the vaccinated patients that come in with heart problems, and test positive for covid, they are counted as heart patients not covid patients....to keep that narrative.

It depend on the diagnostic. We know that covid causes a high rate on heartproblems. It enters not only the lung, but also heart and other organs of the body.
So if a vaccined positiv covid patients comes because of heartproblem to the hospital, the probability is high this is because of covid or the vaccine. You have to make Tests then to find out the cause. If you find the virus in the heart it was Covid and not the vaccine. And so he will count as covid patient. Otherwise he will count as patient which had hearttrouble because of the vaccine.
Present it is in the media that special Moderna causes myocarditis in young male patients. So iceland stopped vaccine with moderna for people younger then 30.

 

[Aidan1]

we have a coworker who came back negative a few days ago. He called this morning. He lost his taste and smell last night.

We have a coworkers wife who tested negative multiple times. Before she came back positive.

To many variables for it to be perfect. tpo many false negatives in my view.. But is still better than the quick test.. Which is far less reliable.

Its why I chose the PCR test and it came back positive

Thats sad. You have symtomes?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thats sad. You have symtomes?

Very minor. About the only symptoms I had was the extreme headache and fatigue (I am still suffering a little fatigue)

It was like a bad cold.. I got tested because I was exposed to someone from work who tested positive. Or I probably would not have gotten tested. I did not want to put others in danger so I wanted to be safe before I returned to work.

 

[Gideon300]

Believe sinful men who oppose our LORD or believe the words from those who fear God, and/or have a conscience, and have examined the evidence which is suppressed by those who provide you with their 'accounting'.

i believe the scientists, doctors, nurses, victims and eye witnesses who are censored, blocked from speaking publicly, lost their jobs, are hated, been arrested and have been killed for revealing the Agenda at hand.

Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

I've been following all this business closely. I have found mostly speculation, wild imaginations, restating baseless claims and a lack of any real investigation - and this by the COVID conspiracy theorists.

I'm born again, 50 years now, I have the indwelling Holy Spirit, I know God's word, I know God and I know Jesus. And I reject the COVID/anti vax narrative. I don't believe in coercion, but we live in the fallen world. There are many thing that are wrong before God that I cannot change. They will be resolved soon enough. If you don't want to take the vaccine, fine. You choice. But before you start accusing Christians of falling away and following demons, you'd better be real sure that you are right. Your own words will judge you.

 

[Anthony55]

For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4For the weapons of our warfare are not [a]carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

Please Explain.

 

[DavidTree]

I've been following all this business closely. I have found mostly speculation, wild imaginations, restating baseless claims and a lack of any real investigation - and this by the COVID conspiracy theorists.

I'm born again, 50 years now, I have the indwelling Holy Spirit, I know God's word, I know God and I know Jesus. And I reject the COVID/anti vax narrative. I don't believe in coercion, but we live in the fallen world. There are many thing that are wrong before God that I cannot change. They will be resolved soon enough. If you don't want to take the vaccine, fine. You choice. But before you start accusing Christians of falling away and following demons, you'd better be real sure that you are right. Your own words will judge you.

36But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided [e]that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from [f]sexual immorality.”

For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual[j] immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

Injecting the Temple of God with an unholy concoction manufactured by ungodly, satanicly inspired individuals comes not from God.
If it was 'good' for us - it would not be mandatory as is their Goal/Agenda that they are pushing the World towards in fulfillment of the Prophetic Word of God.
There is more to come from. The vaxx currently is not the 'Mark' but it is their preparation/rehearsal/conditioning of the masses.

You accept, from the hands of the ungodly, to be experimented on with an experimental concoction.

Do not be deceived - for whatever a man sows that shall he reap.

Everyone is free to make their own decision - this freedom of choice comes at a cost - choose wisely.

If you hate your Brother for rejecting the vaxx and their agenda = you hate God.

i do not hate you for subjecting yourself to be experimented upon -
but if you side with the wicked, your heart will be negatively effected by it and will grow antagonistic towards those who seek to stay free from their vaxx.

The Holy Spirit ony speaks truth and will never lead us astray.

 

[DavidTree]

Please Explain.

We all make mistakes and i put myself at the top of the list.
Our walk with the Lord is a daily walk and we are always learning from Him as we keep our hearts and minds open.

His Great Love and Mercy is magnified through His Forgiveness and Acceptance of us in our current weakness.

The Apostle Paul said: "when I am weak He is strong"

When we recognize our weakness, we can then be strong in the Power of His Might - which is the Holy Spirit and the Word.

If we seek to stand in our own strength, we will fail and make mistakes. Good News from Christ is 70 x 7 = Forgiveness.

Though the righteous fall seven times - the Lord will lift him up.

 

[iamsoandso]

Very minor. About the only symptoms I had was the extreme headache and fatigue (I am still suffering a little fatigue)

It was like a bad cold.. I got tested because I was exposed to someone from work who tested positive. Or I probably would not have gotten tested. I did not want to put others in danger so I wanted to be safe before I returned to work.

That's the part I think that the vast majority may be missing because of the ongoing vaccine debate. No one's asking themselves about those who caught C-19 and then recovered,(how are they doing?),, There's a new study from Oxford University just released that looked at long covid,ongoing symptoms ect. to see what Covid is doing(damage to organs) and they found that 37% of patients have at least one lingering symptom(as in your case). https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-09-2...tients-diagnosed-least-one-long-covid-symptom

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the part I think that the vast majority may be missing because of the ongoing vaccine debate. No one's asking themselves about those who caught C-19 and then recovered,(how are they doing?),, There's a new study from Oxford University just released that looked at long covid,ongoing symptoms ect. to see what Covid is doing(damage to organs) and they found that 37% of patients have at least one lingering symptom(as in your case). https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-09-2...tients-diagnosed-least-one-long-covid-symptom

My step son still does not have his taste. It has been 11 months

 

[iamsoandso]

My step son still does not have his taste. It has been 11 months

Back in 2020 several of my family members caught this(two died) of the others one was in a wheel chair(walks with a cane now),,doctors say their unsure as to how long this will last or it's extent. Two others have lower blood/oxygen levels and are being sent to pulmonary specialist to evaluate the damage from blood clots in lungs. The latter two say the same thing as you,, "fatigue",,their okay on the couch,inside but they get short of breath fast if they go outside and try to do yard work and such.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Back in 2020 several of my family members caught this(two died) of the others one was in a wheel chair(walks with a cane now),,doctors say their unsure as to how long this will last or it's extent. Two others have lower blood/oxygen levels and are being sent to pulmonary specialist to evaluate the damage from blood clots in lungs. The latter two say the same thing as you,, "fatigue",,their okay on the couch,inside but they get short of breath fast if they go outside and try to do yard work and such.

Thats why I got the vaccine. My step daughters mother died of this stuff. And our medical conditions were almost identical.

I would have been a fool not to get it

 

[iamsoandso]

Thats why I got the vaccine. My step daughters mother died of this stuff. And our medical conditions were almost identical.

I would have been a fool not to get it

Yep,,brings back memories of when this first started when I was quizzing 11'thhour about IgG,IgA,t'cell levels ect. I wish now I was wrong in thinking that C-19 was going to create it's own set of "pre-existing conditions" but it seems to be what they are seeing in the new studies. Like I said before each time someone catches this it's going to do a little more damage to their organs until it's done enough to become fatal(catching it over and over). Anyway to avoid catching it is a good approach(just don't catch it).

I think the NIH,FDA,CDC ect. knew the whole time that this was doing long term damage to those who caught it. So they knew that eventually a vast amount of those who catch this multiple times will end up on disability from it. The economy can withstand just so many people who cant work and are on SSI so they're(Gov.) buying time and reducing dept(pull out in Iraq,Afghanistan ect.) to be able to absorb long term disabilities from it. I think they knew in the beginning this will crumble the worlds economy eventually and so their just letting us debate(leading us into) the vaccines,mask ect. in hopes that the masses don't realize this and things descend into chaos. Because of breakthrough's and the need to keep everyone working(cash flow) people will catch it over and over(they cant control that) and so their buying time trying to come up with an answer(their already looking at things after C-19)...

 

[AandW]

You are speaking from Romans 13 but not correctly understanding what the Apostle said concerning Governing/Government.

Please read carefully

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4For he is God’s minister to you for good.
But if you do evil, be afraid;
for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

If you want to obey God, then you must disobey evil - no matter where it comes from.
Just as it says in Romans 13 and in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution

But you think the Vaccine is Satan!
Yet, the Man of Sin has not been Revealed, the Beast is not on the Scene to Worship and take his Number.

SO NO, the Vaccine is not SATAN, when we are REALLY in Reality fighting an Airbourne Created Weapon.
So the Government is not Satan at this Moment in Time.
All there is right Now coming from Christians using FALSE PROPAGANDA are Christians LYING!!

You are ((creating something False)) and [[making it TRUE]] but it is STILL FALSE!

So no, you are using Romans 13 INCORRECTLY!!

 

[SophieT]

Well, as I said, you should not read only the antivaxx supporting papers.
If you will judge the vaccine fair, you have also to read the Provaxx supporting papers.
But the way your expression, this is not your goal. For you seems to me any provaxxer an enemy.
That the vaccine works proofes me the number of my country. 90% unvaxxed people on intensiv ward says enough in my eyes.

again, you have nothing to say about the factual data I posted...not that you ever actually respond to anyone who posts that sort of thing other than to snort and scoff and pretend you know all about it and therefore it is rubbish

respond to what I post. I actually do not care about your opinions. as it is, we are all more than well aware of your opinions.

why even bother to respond to me? sounds like you just want to mess around with your own private little world, when the entire world is wrapped up in this thing

so you have nothing to contribute other than what you have said 14,000 times (bit of an exaggeration) and you don't even back that up with facts

 

[John146]

Not in my hospital. And i suppose the most would not do so.
Every patient who enters our hospital is asked about he is vaxxed or not and is testet about Covid.

Are unvaxxers treated in the same manner as vaxxers?

 

[DavidTree]

But you think the Vaccine is Satan!
Yet, the Man of Sin has not been Revealed, the Beast is not on the Scene to Worship and take his number.

SO NO, the Vaccine is not SATAN, when we are REALLY in Reality fighting an Airbourne Created Weapon.
So the Government is not Satan at this Moment in Time.

You are creating something False and making it TRUE but it is STILL FALSE!

So no, you are using Romans 13 WRONG!!

Sin started in the Garden - since then ALL have sinned and have fallen short of the Glory of God, except for Christ.

Since when did ungodly men/women become sinless and have pure hearts before God???
Since when did satan stop filling men's hearts with his lies???
Since when did you become Perfect/Sinless/ never making a mistake, always doing those things that please God???

So, YES, i keep myself from what God does not want me to participate in - His Choice for me and i believe Him.

We all make mistakes and will never be Perfect until that which is PERFECT comes.

you submitted to be Eexperimented on with vaxx injection of some ungodly brew

i refuse, i am free, i have God given immune system that works BETTER then their vaxx

 

[John146]

But you think the Vaccine is Satan!

I think the group behind the vaccine is satanic. The same group who funded the virus...