What does, “But the one who endures to the end will be saved” mean?

[Ogom]

I do not deny that I had Hebrews 12:6 in mind when I pronounced the blessing on him that the Lord receive him as a son.

But I will leave it up to him to respond, as to whether or not he intended that I be blessed on the earth but be cursed in eternity.

When I give a scripture (such as Psalms 62:4), I consider that the scripture in question may or may not apply.

His reaction told me that it did apply; but I could be wrong in my assessment.

For instead of simply saying that the scripture in question did not apply to him, he protested that it does apply to me;

if / when we cannot get through to someone.... even with much speaking... even perhaps from the Spirit itself -- speaking through us (and / if we were to know that it does /or even just think that it does)... but hearts or minds seem to remain closed to us (and/or to the Spirit ?)... the best we can / might do might be to wish them /another well on their journey... in this life.

journeys in the hereafter? God knows.

For that is what Matthew 7:1-5 tells us; and that is what Luke 6:41-42 tells us; that when a person judges someone else, it is because they are guilty of the same thing.

And, I do not deny that I am guilty of "cursing inwardly" in the blessing that I have pronounced; for I considered that he had cursed me first.

At least the blessing and curse that I pronounced would amount to eternal blessing though a temporal cursing; while it seemed to me that his blessing was temporal and his cursing eternal.

But, perhaps I misread what he was saying and he only intended a blessing that is both temporal and eternal.

yes, you may be seeing curses when there were really only a blessing and / or farewell ? if we judge others by our own beliefs, we can forget / not bring to mind that the other does not think or believe like us... always or of necessity -- the other before us anywhere -- always an individual and unique and different. from us.

"For that is what Matthew 7:1-5 tells us; and that is what Luke 6:41-42 tells us; that when a person judges someone else, it is because they are guilty of the same thing."

you may be seeing judging -- by applying your beliefs and ideas, feelings -- to them, when they do not think always or much like you and were not intending according to the other (yourself), but according to their own mind / beliefs ... and also intent, which I think (speaking for myself... so maybe applies in general or to many, though not all) can be mixed. but not all are as mixed as many might be -- intending well, or thinking they do, but conflicted also... at times.

some [God knows each heart] are [maybe] shining more and more unto the day that is coming, or already do shine quite bright perhaps.. or in ways, or at times.

and so to read some people's writings through the filter of our own heart can dim the other's intent / meaning down quite a lot... even to the point of total misunderstanding -- for the Light is quite different, than the Dark... the darkness in ourselves 'shines' out to the one who can sense it. and some are not very much in the Dark, while many will be... and stumbling... but the Light (Spirit) sees.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Jimbone,


So, you were not saying this,

Not only that I want you to know you're still going to sin. All of us do.

You were actually quoting someone else as saying this and were attempting to refute what they were saying?

If that is the case, then I truly misunderstood you. But why didn't you just say so instead of getting all in a huff about it?

 

[justbyfaith]

yes, you may be seeing curses when there were really only a blessing and / or farewell ?

I suppose that this is possible.

Jesus will sort it all out on the last day.

 

[justbyfaith]

@Jimbone,


So, you were not saying this,



You were actually quoting someone else as saying this and were attempting to refute what they were saying?

If that is the case, then I truly misunderstood you. But why didn't you just say so instead of getting all in a huff about it?

Sorry, brother.

I looked back at the post in question and saw that that is exactly what you were doing.

My over-reaction to those words was not because I have some desire to be a teacher (for I am a teacher and do not have to establish that fact) but because the words in question are one of my pet peeves when it comes to false doctrine. I saw them and saw red, like a bull. And then I attacked that false doctrine with the word.

I think that your response might have been that you were there quoting somebody and that you were not espousing that doctrine yourself. If you would have said "amen" to my post it would have even shown me that more clearly.

But we all react in the flesh sometimes, so I forgive you, brother.

 

[peldom10]

We know of his background that he died on the cross for stealing in the Roman Empire.

So, he was there for a sin that he had committed.

Now the Bible says that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

So, if the thief was a good tree, why did he steal?

I believe that before placing his faith in Christ while they were on the crosses, the thief was a bad tree.

He was regenerated and renewed when he placed his faith in Christ.

He was saved, "not by works of righteousness which he had done; but by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5)

Stealing aspect was not my point of reference. I was speaking of the forgiveness element and eternal salvation.

Your questions lends support for perfection of a human.

 

[justbyfaith]

Stealing aspect was not my point of reference. I was speaking of the forgiveness element and eternal salvation.

Your questions lends support for perfection of a human.

I'm not certain that I understand what you are saying.

The thief was justified by faith alone when he acknowledged that Jesus was coming into His kingdom at the point of His death.

He was not forgiven over any kind of perfection or works that he accomplished before he was condemned as a criminal to die on a Roman cross.

 

[Icedaisey]

This, in itself, reveals that you were in fact cursing me inwardly when you gave your "blessing".

Because otherwise I would not have been cursing you "back"...it would have been a curse that originated from me and not in any kind of retaliation for a curse rendered.

It was a curse originating from you.

As you well know.

It is apparent because I wished God's blessing on another member and then you. I did not post the Psalm verse in those sincere posts.

You feigned a blessing in return and then provided a Psalms verse reference and a curse.

That's all you. Only you didn't think it would be that obvious. Which is why you have the verse but didn't post the text under your feigned blessing. When I did make it known by posting the verse, your source was exposed.

You are a teacher. As what we could become if we have not Christ's light within us.

 

[Icedaisey]

This, in itself, reveals that you were in fact cursing me inwardly when you gave your "blessing".

Because otherwise I would not have been cursing you "back"...it would have been a curse that originated from me and not in any kind of retaliation for a curse rendered.

Open dishonesty this time. Very bold.
No, doesn't work.😁 You cut a sentence from my post and then claim it says what you intend it to say, so you can attack me again with your curse from Psalms that you blame on me.

There's something very wrong in you. You're not a teacher. You're a warning.

 

[Icedaisey]

See you are blind and have taken my comment out of context. Somehow you think I was saying it's good to sin. My whole comment was

"I honestly feel this kind of thinking you're putting forth in this question (this question alone, not by any mean speaking about you in general, so please don't take it like that) is honestly from a perspective of pop Christianity that says that, "no matter what if you repeat these words you are saved and no one can tell you different. Not only that I want you to know you're still going to sin. All of us do. Just look at Paul in Romans talking about what a wretched man he is."

See how I was using this as a quote from a hypothetical false teacher from quote "POP Christianity"? See how you're dead wrong and should apologize for coming at me like that on the false premise of your own foolish misunderstanding? See that?

Okay lets clear this up, I was condemning this teaching and went on to say it creates false converts, and was saying that as someone it had deceived before. You think you are correcting me when I was making the same point? Can you see how ridiculous you look?

Honestly you misunderstood me and are now just arguing to argue. It's like you refuse to listen because you think you've found a mistake and you're starving to teach someone. It's kind of sad, and why CC is laughed at as a place you go to be attacked. We should maybe slow our roles a bit so we're not stuck looking foolish like you are here, having missed a point and went our of your way to correct me on something we agree on and now still have not accepted correction with humility, and and least recognize you misunderstood what I was saying, because the way you are correcting me only agrees with my exact point that Romans 8 can be very deceptive in the mouth of a wolf.

If nothing else please recognize that I am 100% against this verse being used to justify sin in a believers life as it is FAR too often. Thanks and hope you're having a good day.

You've noticed their pattern then? Being an adversary to what is actually written in a Christian's post.

 

[justbyfaith]

It was a curse originating from you.

As you well know.

It is apparent because I wished God's blessing on another member and then you. I did not post the Psalm verse in those sincere posts.

You feigned a blessing in return and then provided a Psalms verse reference and a curse.

That's all you. Only you didn't think it would be that obvious. Which is why you have the verse but didn't post the text under your feigned blessing. When I did make it known by posting the verse, your source was exposed.

You are a teacher. As what we could become if we have not Christ's light within us.

It was more of a blessing than a curse, that I pronounced upon you.

For when I ask the Lord to receive someone as a son, that is an eternal blessing; with which it cannot be avoided that there will be a temporal cursing (chastening from the Lord, Hebrews 12:6).

And, if you were not intending an eternal curse with your temporal blessing, then prove it by pronouncing an eternal blessing.

It seems to me that when someone says to me, "I hope you have a nice life" that they are implying that they believe I will not have much of a blessing after my life is over; that they are implying that I will be judged in a negative manner as concerning the next life.

Now, if that is not what you were implying, then just say so. I will accept it.

But if it is what you were implying, then you were in fact cursing inwardly; because you did not pronounce the eternal blessing that would circumvent the fate that you supposed that I would experience.

You can do so now; and that will be proof positive that you meant no ill towards me.

Because your "blessing" was in response to something that was less than godly coming from me and I will admit that.

Now, if you meant it as a blessing only and had no ill feelings, then I will apologize to you even more if need be.

I just know that you set me off because I have had people say such things to me before and in what they said (in saying "have a nice life") they were in fact implying that they felt that I would not have much of an after life and that they were happy about such a thing as that.

But again, if that was not you, come right out and say so. Jesus will know if you were lying when you stand before Him on your day of judgment.

 

[justbyfaith]

Open dishonesty this time. Very bold.
No, doesn't work.😁 You cut a sentence from my post and then claim it says what you intend it to say, so you can attack me again with your curse from Psalms that you blame on me.

There's something very wrong in you. You're not a teacher. You're a warning.

Get him, Holy Ghost.

 

[Gardenias]

Get him, Holy Ghost.

Naughty,naughty we don't use God to get us revenge and ID is female. Gif: https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0Hl...owkuopvyjpc0j3rsrsfih1aum&rid=200w_d.gif&ct=g

 

[justbyfaith]

Naughty,naughty we don't use God to get us revenge and ID is female. Gif: https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0Hl...owkuopvyjpc0j3rsrsfih1aum&rid=200w_d.gif&ct=g

That's not revenge; that is a prayer for the Lord to save his or her soul.

She limits the people who can look at her profile so I couldn't see whether she was male or female.

 

[Jimbone]

You've noticed their pattern then? Being an adversary to what is actually written in a Christian's post.

So, I guess that's a big NO to admitting you misunderstood my point and tried to correct me by making the exact same point? Okay, but that revels much more about you than it does me, but as the kids say "you be you". I hope that you have a nice day anyway.

BTW how does your comment here relate in any way to what was being said in the comment you were responding to? I can't see how it relates at all. I guess it was a "Democrat answer". <--- last was just a joke

 

[Icedaisey]

So, I guess that's a big NO to admitting you misunderstood my point and tried to correct me by making the exact same point? Okay, but that revels much more about you than it does me, but as the kids say "you be you". I hope that you have a nice day anyway.

BTW how does your comment here relate in any way to what was being said in the comment you were responding to? I can't see how it relates at all. I guess it was a "Democrat answer". <--- last was just a joke

You meant your remarks to be addressed to JustByFaith, not me.

 

[justbyfaith]

So, I guess that's a big NO to admitting you misunderstood my point and tried to correct me by making the exact same point? Okay, but that revels much more about you than it does me, but as the kids say "you be you". I hope that you have a nice day anyway.

BTW how does your comment here relate in any way to what was being said in the comment you were responding to? I can't see how it relates at all. I guess it was a "Democrat answer". <--- last was just a joke

Yes, it reveals that I made a mistake.

Aren't Christians supposed to forgive rather than harbor grudges?

Sheesh.

I apologized to you; and my expectation of you was that you would accept my apology (because I considered you to be a genuine believer).

 

[Icedaisey]

Get him, Holy Ghost.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit as if He is at your call an avenger?
You should cease the curses you spew publicly when you expect to speak niceties later and be seen as one of us.
Your words betray your heart and wipe that woolen mask away so to reveal your barred fangs beneath.

 

[justbyfaith]

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit as if He is at your call an avenger?
You should cease the curses you spew publicly when you expect to speak niceties later and be seen as one of us.
Your words betray your heart and wipe that woolen mask away so to reveal your barred fangs beneath.

Your words betray your heart, friend.

Accusing me of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost?

I suggest you read what Jesus said in Luke 6:37.

Also, Revelation 12:10-11.

satan is the accuser of the brethren and you are taking on his nature, character, and employment.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you expect to be seen as "one of us", then prove that you did not intend an eternal cursing by pronouncing an eternal blessing.

 

[justbyfaith]

I would only, at this point, remind you again of what it says in Galatians 5:15.