How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[DavidTree]

rev 14 is your biggest obsticle.

But you have yet to address any pretrib rapture verses....so keep those generalized postrib rapture workbooks handy

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pre-trib does not exist in Scripture - i SEE and HEAR every word that comes from the Mouth of God.

Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer awaits the precious fruit of the soil—how patient he is for the fall and spring rains. You, too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near. Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged. Look, the Judge is standing at the door!

Brothers, as an example of patience in affliction, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. See how blessed we consider those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen the outcome from the Lord. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
James ch5

 

[Absolutely]

pre-trib does not exist in Scripture - i SEE and HEAR every word that comes from the Mouth of God.

Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord’s coming. See how the farmer awaits the precious fruit of the soil—how patient he is for the fall and spring rains. You, too, be patient and strengthen your hearts, because the Lord’s coming is near. Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged. Look, the Judge is standing at the door!

Brothers, as an example of patience in affliction, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. See how blessed we consider those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen the outcome from the Lord. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
James ch5

No you dont

The times you actually engaged toe to toe....i made you go against the bible.

 

[DavidTree]

No you dont

The times you actually engaged toe to toe....i made you go against the bible.

Please find the pre-trib in the scripture i just posted to you - James ch5 where it begins with the "unto the Lord's coming"

 

[Absolutely]

Go to youtube and pick ANY POSTRIB RAPTURE TEACHER.

They have no verses.

EVERY SINGLE ONE IS " ANTI PRETRIB"....FIRST.

That is their core and dna.

It is all they know.

Then go to your 1k challenge and offer 1k to any of them that have a verse.

You and they chose wrong.

Now you are forced to " defend" a antiquated washed out and poorly thought out doctrine


Sad.

 

[Absolutely]

Please find the pre-trib in the scripture i just posted to you - James ch5 where it begins with the "unto the Lord's coming"

Like i said.

You do not know our doctrine.

If after having your nose pushed into our verses.....then in a disengenuos desperation you keep lying that we have no verses....that is your own folly.

I already TOOK THE TIME to lay out MY VERSES.
I TOOK MY TIME TO DO THAT.

go get one of them and refute it.

Go get one that I TOOK MY TIME to give you.

You never did refute any of it...and can not now.

So you just sit back and chew and chew on your overgeneralized sillyness

 

[DavidTree]

Go to youtube and pick ANY POSTRIB RAPTURE TEACHER.

They have no verses.

EVERY SINGLE ONE IS " ANTI PRETRIB"....FIRST.

That is their core and dna.

It is all they know.

Then go to your 1k challenge and offer 1k to any of them that have a verse.

You and they chose wrong.

Now you are forced to " defend" a antiquated washed out and poorly thought out doctrine


Sad.

i know, you have found me out with all of the non-existant scripture you promised to prove and bring forth

So now it is just your words and nothing more

i will now relinquish pre-trib error to it's rightful place - please excuse me while i tend to this

 

[DavidTree]

pre-trib - pre-trib
don't believe the fib
nothing there
just Laodecean hot air
Job knew better
his friends continued to pester
they were out to prove
but Job did not move
his righteousness from God
as he trusted Him Above
his friends were reproved
because Job did not move
God spoke to Job
and Job fell more in love
"Now pray for those rascals"
"who spoke what was not Right"
Job did so in delight
and God restored and turned on the Light

 

[stilllearning]

pre-trib does not exist in Scripture

How would you read Luke 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

To us that is just proof text. So how do you read it or where do you find that we may be reading it wrong?

 

[DavidTree]

How would you read Luke 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

To us that is just proof text. So how do you read it or where do you find that we may be reading it wrong?

I have and do pray Luke 21 accordingly - read exactly what the Lord is warning about - clue 'heart'

If you are seeking to know God's Plan thru His Word - follow His instructions

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 Proverbs 30:5-6 Revelation 22:18-19

 

[stilllearning]

I have and do pray Luke 21 accordingly - read exactly what the Lord is warning about - clue 'heart'

If you are seeking to know God's Plan thru His Word - follow His instructions

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 Proverbs 30:5-6 Revelation 22:18-19

Not sure I am tracking you. Can you really dumb it down so you come across as plain as day? I have no idea what the heart has to do with this. So if you could make it as simple as possible cause I am just not following what you are saying.

 

[SaltwaterGirl]

How would you read Luke 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

To us that is just proof text. So how do you read it or where do you find that we may be reading it wrong?

Hi This is saying; pray that you will be wise enough to stand up to and not be deceived by Satan when he comes at the 6th trump before Jesus, who comes at the 7th.

 

[DavidTree]

Not sure I am tracking you. Can you really dumb it down so you come across as plain as day? I have no idea what the heart has to do with this. So if you could make it as simple as possible cause I am just not following what you are saying.

"But watch yourselves, or your hearts will be weighed down by dissipation, drunkenness, and the worries of life—and that day will spring upon you suddenly like a snare" Luke 21:34

They preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch,
strengthening the souls of the disciples and encouraging them to continue in the faith. = WHY???

ANSWER: "saying, we must go through many tribulations to enter the kingdom of God,”

 

[cv5]

How would you read Luke 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

To us that is just proof text. So how do you read it or where do you find that we may be reading it wrong?

It's difficult to be certain of the audience intended. Could apply to Jews going through the tribulation. Those that escape the plagues and judgments and survive are those who attend the wedding feast and stand before the Son of Man. That's my preference based on Matthew 24 and Mark 13 content.

Alternatively could apply to a Christian audience of believers eagerly waiting for the appearing of the Lord Jesus, consequently to be raptured from the time and place of the 70th week of Daniel. But this seems far less likely.

TDW......Have you formed an opinion on Luke 21:36?

 

[DavidTree]

Not sure I am tracking you. Can you really dumb it down so you come across as plain as day? I have no idea what the heart has to do with this. So if you could make it as simple as possible cause I am just not following what you are saying.

"But watch yourselves, or your hearts will be weighed down by dissipation, drunkenness, and the worries of life—and that day will spring upon you suddenly like a snare" Luke 21:34

They preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch,
strengthening the souls of the disciples and encouraging them to continue in the faith. = WHY???

ANSWER: "saying, we must go through many tribulations to enter the kingdom of God,” Acts 14:21-22

 

[stilllearning]

I just thought it meant what it said. Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be?

So Christ actually answered their question and told them when all these things would be then told them they could escape them.

Reads pretty simple when you read what is actually said.

 

[SaltwaterGirl]

Hi This is saying; pray that you will be wise enough to stand up to and not be deceived by Satan when he comes at the 6th trump before Jesus, who comes at the 7th.

@stilllearning

Also, this verse is talking about the hour of temptation, when Satan appears in Jerusalem, performing miracles and claiming to be Jesus.

 

[DavidTree]

I just thought it meant what it said. Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be?

So Christ actually answered their question and told them when all these things would be then told them they could escape them.

Reads pretty simple when you read what is actually said.

Taking one verse of Scripture and placing it above many verses of Scripture that say the opposite is like
believing that Luke 21 instructs us to pray for a pre-trib rapture is equivalent to believing we are saved by water baptism from
1 Peter 3:20
In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. And this water (symbolizes) the baptism that now saves you also

Many people today actually believe they were saved through water baptism, which is in error when compared to the 'the Complete Plan revealed in Scripture'.

 

[stilllearning]

Taking one verse of Scripture and placing it above many verses of Scripture that say the opposite is like
believing that Luke 21 instructs us to pray for a pre-trib rapture is equivalent to believing we are saved by water baptism from
1 Peter 3:20
In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. And this water (symbolizes) the baptism that now saves you also

Many people today actually believe they were saved through water baptism.

Not placing anything anywhere they asked he replied correct? They asked when shall these things be and he answered when they would be correct?

 

[stilllearning]

Was it not Christ that pointed out how ridiculous giving something other than what is asked for is. If someone ask for a fish do you give them a stone? So they asked Christ when would these things be, did he then answer them different than what they asked?

 

[DavidTree]

Not placing anything anywhere they asked he replied correct? They asked when shall these things be and he answered when they would be correct?

Luke 21: 27-28 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to happen, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

according to your view = you are praying to escape(all these things) including the Coming of the Son of man

The correct view is exactly what the Lord has always said from Genesis thru to Revelation.

My son, give attention to my words;
Incline your ear to my sayings.
21Do not let them depart from your eyes;
Keep them in the midst of your heart;
22For they are life to those who find them,
And health to all their flesh.
23Keep your heart with all diligence,
For out of it spring the issues of life.
24Put away from you a deceitful mouth,
And put perverse lips far from you.
25Let your eyes look straight ahead,
And your eyelids look right before you.
26Ponder the path of your feet,
And let all your ways be established.
27Do not turn to the right or the left;
Remove your foot from evil.

pre-trib rapture and other falsehoods do not follow the Path of Righteousness, they make left and right turns off the Path.

You have a evil desire in your heart that seeks to undermine the Holy Spirit's words by isolating one verse and forming a incorrect doctrine from that one verse = for your desire.

So, stand on that and see where it takes you when the man of sin is revealed and his mark.
If you are alive during that time, you just keep standing on Luke 21 and wait for your rapture.

I will stand on Luke 21 and ALL Scripture including 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 4:13-18 and Revelation 3:7-13 and John 17