How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[Laura798]

@Laura798 , (re: your Post #1671 and H. Hanegraaff's [Preterist] video)

I own at least two of Hanegraaff's books (that I can think of readily... and maybe own more), but I recall when reading those I was able to detect his various mis-steps and flaws, in his presentation (per his books), in his endeavor to prove his "Preterist" viewpoint.

Divine Water Mark, as I said I don't agree with all of Hank Hanegraffs teaching---you need to watch the video and then tell me which points he makes that you disagree with--sometimes people are too quick to pull the trigger in defense of their own arguments--there are many biblical scholars who refute pre-trib--and do so quite easily--pre-tribbers must do alot of contortions to scripture to fit their narrative. I think we must all agree to disagree--no one seems to be having any epiphanies in this thread--you believe in pre-trib I believe in post. We will soon be finding out as Christ said, "Behold I am coming SOON!"

 

[ewq1938]

What do you find that is so great about H. Hanegraaff's video (Post #1671)??... who is a proponent of "Preterism"... is that your stance also??

Obviously my post had nothing to do with any "video". Make sure to ask questions that are in context to the related post. You need to stop with the whole "guilt by assumed association fallacy" as well.

 

[Laura798]

Divine Water Mark, as I said I don't agree with all of Hank Hanegraffs teaching---you need to watch the video and then tell me which points he makes that you disagree with--sometimes people are too quick to pull the trigger in defense of their own arguments--there are many biblical scholars who refute pre-trib--and do so quite easily--pre-tribbers must do alot of contortions to scripture to fit their narrative. I think we must all agree to disagree--no one seems to be having any epiphanies in this thread--you believe in pre-trib I believe in post. We will soon be finding out as Christ said, "Behold I am coming SOON!"

Ps The benefit of knowing we will go thru the tribulation if we are still alive is we are the ones who will be watchful and ready understanding the signs scriptures foretold--we will not be caught 'unawares' and we cannot be deceived when someone says "look here is the Christ!" because we know he is coming with a "shout" and "trumpet blast" and the whole world will see his coming"

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

And here we have what's known as a red herring fallacy which is to bring up a topic not being discussed to avoid discussing what is being discussed.

Laura brought up Hanegraaff's view on Pretrib, not his views on Preterism.

His "Preterist" views are woven all throughout that video... it's part of his argument against "pre-trib rapture," see (there is no future "7-yr period leading up to Christ's Second Coming/RETURN," thus there can be no "PRE-trib" anything, as "future" to us, from his perspective).

 

[Laura798]

His "Preterist" views are woven all throughout that video... it's part of his argument against "pre-trib rapture," see (there is no future "7-yr period leading up to Christ's Second Coming/RETURN," thus there can be no "PRE-trib" anything, as "future" to us, from his perspective).

Hmm. He did talk about types of 'anti-christ' which I took to mean they are types of THE ANTI-CHRIST. In any case that would be another topic for another thread. I don't agree with that btw--some of what is in Revelation has already happened, but I believe the anti-christ is still to come--he may even be alive now. I'll take another look at it and see if I missed something, thanks.

 

[cv5]

Hi Aaron, thanks for this post. Additionally, Christians who are open to studying this more thoroughly will be shocked at all the aspects of the Pre-Trib doctrine. Though I don't agree with everything Hank Hanegraff has to say, he lays out his arguments both thoroughly and intelligently in this short video:

Hannegraff is pretty much 100% preterist apostate nowadays. He is a mess....

It is impossible to be both a preterist and believe in a pre-trib rapture. Are you aware of this basic fundamental conflict of views?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Obviously my post had nothing to do with any "video". Make sure to ask questions that are in context to the related post. You need to stop with the whole "guilt by assumed association fallacy" as well.

I never said your POST had anything to do with the video by Hanegraaff... but your "LIKE" sure seemed to be connected with both the video and what Laura798 said OF the video: "he lays out his arguments both thoroughly and intelligently in this short video".

If you "LIKED" the post with the video in it (and those words in their Post #1671), shouldn't I gather from that that you had at least HEARD what the video had to say, and "LIKED" its contents, and that you fairly agreed with Laura798's words ABOUT it, as well??



... because that's what MY questions to you pertained to (not your "Post" IN AND OF ITSELF, but how YOUR POST RELATES to the other thing, see).

ewq1938 said:
Again, it's not me who isn't getting anything. It's you. I understand the rapture in and out quite well which how I can spot the many errors you and others make.

Hanegraaff's??

 

[cv5]

Hmm. He did talk about types of 'anti-christ' which I took to mean they are types of THE ANTI-CHRIST. In any case that would be another topic for another thread. I don't agree with that btw--some of what is in Revelation has already happened, but I believe the anti-christ is still to come--he may even be alive now. I'll take another look at it and see if I missed something, thanks.

<<<btw--some of what is in Revelation has already happened>>>

Such a statement betrays your utter failure to properly and correctly comprehend the 70th week of Daniel as it relates to THE ENTIRE GAMUT OF ALL PROPHECY, the book of Revelation and the nation Israel and its covenants.

A total eschatological crash and burn.

Like I said....you either get it or you don't get it. And you don't get it lady.

 

[Laura798]

I never said your POST had anything to do with the video by Hanegraaff... but your "LIKE" sure seemed to be connected with both the video and what Laura798 said OF the video: "he lays out his arguments both thoroughly and intelligently in this short video".

If you "LIKED" the post with the video in it (and those words in their Post #1671), shouldn't I gather from that that you had at least HEARD what the video had to say, and "LIKED" its contents, and that you fairly agreed with Laura798's words ABOUT it, as well??



... because that's what MY questions to you pertained to (not your "Post" IN AND OF ITSELF, but how YOUR POST RELATES to the other thing, see).



Hanegraaff's??

DWM--Hank H. is not posting anything on this forum--EWQ is speaking of what has been said by those posting. I posted a video--that is different. It really seems you want to argue for the sake of arguing and really have no desire to glorify God in this.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

DWM--Hank H. is not posting anything on this forum--EWQ is speaking of what has been said by those posting. I posted a video--that is different. It really seems you want to argue for the sake of arguing and really have no desire to glorify God in this.

My question directly to ewq was this (since she "LIKED" the post with the video and the favorable comments regarding said video):

TheDivineWatermark said:

What do you find that is so great about H. Hanegraaff's video (Post #1671)??

I find that to be an appropriate and pertinent question, as I see it (seeing as ewq "LIKED" the Post #1671 covering that very thing).

What do you find is wrong with my wanting to know what she "LIKED" about its contents... and/or about your favorable comments in regard to said video??

 

[Laura798]

<<<btw--some of what is in Revelation has already happened>>>

Such a statement betrays your utter failure to properly and correctly comprehend the 70th week of Daniel as it relates to THE ENTIRE GAMUT OF ALL PROPHECY, the book of Revelation and the nation Israel and its covenants.

A total eschatological crash and burn.

Like I said....you either get it or you don't get it. And you don't get it lady.

CV5--I cannot imagine that you are a true Christian--you are incredibly condescending and rude--you call other names and speak down to them e.g. calling people 'Buddy' and 'Lady'....what is your purpose in any of this, but to cause strife and discord. You are the most unkind person on this forum. And you seem to thoroughly enjoy being unkind.

"9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."--1 Corinithians 6:9-10

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I'm not the confused one. You are. I can understand the bible.

I'm trying to think of an "r" word... "really?"... "rewd?"..."r____?" Nope... can't think of it right now...



[count the "LIKES" to that one... ]

 

[Laura798]

CV5--I cannot imagine that you are a true Christian--you are incredibly condescending and rude--you call other names and speak down to them e.g. calling people 'Buddy' and 'Lady'....what is your purpose in any of this, but to cause strife and discord. You are the most unkind person on this forum. And you seem to thoroughly enjoy being unkind.

"9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."--1 Corinithians 6:9-10

CV5--I cannot imagine that you are a true Christian--you are incredibly condescending and rude--you call other names and speak down to them e.g. calling people 'Buddy' and 'Lady'....what is your purpose in any of this, but to cause strife and discord. You are the most unkind person on this forum. And you seem to thoroughly enjoy being unkind.

"9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."--1 Corinithians 6:9-10

<<<btw--some of what is in Revelation has already happened>>>

Such a statement betrays your utter failure to properly and correctly comprehend the 70th week of Daniel as it relates to THE ENTIRE GAMUT OF ALL PROPHECY, the book of Revelation and the nation Israel and its covenants.

A total eschatological crash and burn.

Like I said....you either get it or you don't get it. And you don't get it lady.

“Proud,” “Haughty,” “Scoffer,” are his names, Who acts with insolent pride.--Proverbs 21:24

Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before stumbling. --Proverbs 16:18

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Arrogance

 

[cv5]

CV5--I cannot imagine that you are a true Christian--you are incredibly condescending and rude--you call other names and speak down to them e.g. calling people 'Buddy' and 'Lady'....what is your purpose in any of this, but to cause strife and discord. You are the most unkind person on this forum. And you seem to thoroughly enjoy being unkind.

"9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."--1 Corinithians 6:9-10

Really? I call your attention the fact of who it is that you are reviling that makes all the difference. John the Baptist was reviling Herod.....a king. Elijah was reviling Ahab another king. Jesus was reviling the Pharisees scribes and Jewish leaders......who were for the most part bloodthirsty apostate frauds.

I include preterists in this rogues gallery. Didn't you say that you yourself are a preterist? I mean your sympathy toward Hank Hannegraff is at least an indicator of same.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm trying to think of an "r" word... "really?"... "rewd?"..."r____?" Nope... can't think of it right now...

He called me confused so I said it back to him because if wants to resort to that language then they should be prepared to receive it back.

 

[peldom10]

.....because they avoid the pretrib rapture verses, and will not SPECIFICALLY ENGAGE OUR VERSES

That has become the typical leftist approach when they get confronted with the facts because they don't want to hear them. Further they wish to change God's word and are constant with their effort.

We are reminded that, by vast majority, the left is not allied with Christian doctrine...and it is worsening by the week.

Often what you see...trib. position here......is attempt to distract from God's word and cause confusion.
The Bible is clear ...there will be a pre-trib. rapture.

 

[ewq1938]

The Bible is clear ...there will be a pre-trib. rapture.

How can that be clear when the bible only presents a post trib rapture?

 

[peldom10]

How can that be clear when the bible only presents a post trib rapture?

Because that is what you want it to say. .....different than the facts.
Validated...I might say.......by scripture which tells us we will be ...."kept from the hour (major destruction) that shall come upon all the earth".....

If one takes of the ...new age religion teachings glasses.......one can see the facts.

 

[peldom10]

The scriptures I posted did prove pretrib wrong and posttrib right.

You are only fooling yourself.

 

[peldom10]

Hmm. He did talk about types of 'anti-christ' which I took to mean they are types of THE ANTI-CHRIST. In any case that would be another topic for another thread. I don't agree with that btw--some of what is in Revelation has already happened, but I believe the anti-christ is still to come--he may even be alive now. I'll take another look at it and see if I missed something, thanks.

Maybe I can offer help here;...The Bible speaks of many different anti-christs....such as...a non believer is anti christ
A person working against the Christian doctrine is...an anti-christ, et al.

The Bible speaks of....THE antichrist .....as being the one different from all others.