How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

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cv5 said:
Sorry CV5--you may hit your books written by men, I on the other hand prefer to study God's word, comparing scripture to scripture.
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So why do you fail to understand that the Church is nowhere to be found in Matt 24? Just guessing? Or you just don't get it?[/QUOTE]

John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but am sent ahead of Him.’ The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom stands and listens for him, and is overjoyed to hear the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. He must increase; I must decrease.

The Bride of Christ came up to Her Bridegroom and asked Him when are you coming back for Me?

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. = CV5
 
DavidTree said:
There are no dead in Heaven - there are only living Saints - the dead in Christ refers to those who have died = their bodies are in the earth - but they are alive in Heaven with Christ. These He brings with Him.
Paul calls them the dead in Christ because they physically died as Blood Washed Saved Saints and their bodies went to the grave, but their spirits went to Heaven to be with the Lord - just as Paul spoke of himself.
This he does to give hope to the current, on earth, living Saints of the Resurrection for their dead loved ones.
Notice also how Paul does not mention the Resurrection until He first mentions the Lord is bringing them with Him.
After that clear statement,
Paul says the dead in Christ Rise First.

Now if, Paul had said the dead in Christ Rise First and God will bring them with Christ - then you would be spot on.

Please refer to 1 Cor 15 Behold I show you a mystery.....
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Exactly what pretrib rapture believes
 
DavidTree said:
i have to go now - one last thing for you to show i am in agreement you as i have always said: we escape God's wrath

You said: He is coming preflood. No lie can change what is written. = i AGREE
That places the one taken/ left BEFORE THE FLOOD. = i AGREE = we are taken BEFORE God's wrath/Flood

You also said: THEN JESUS TOPS IT OFF AS NONE OTHER THAN THE PRETRIB RAPTURE = this is FALSE

It is false because the FLOOD is Not Tribulation = It is God's WRATH

There was great tribulation upon the earth while Noah was building the Ark - No pre-trib rapture = only pre-wrath rapture.

When you change God's words from wrath to tribulation you commit an error and sin.

This is done for only one purpose = to support the error of pre-trib.

Find out what the great tribulation was in Noahs' days which brought upon the entire world God's wrath.

JESUS said the same will be going on - BEFORE - HIS COMING
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Before the flood

No craftiness on your part can have noah gathered any other time.

You seek to generalize and reframe the bible.

No matter what , it says EMPHATICALLY and vividly EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.

Noah was not gathered mid flood or post flood.

You are oblivious to it.
 
Absolutely said:
Exactly what pretrib rapture believes
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Good Morning,
Yes, and i am still researching his claim as we should to see if we missed something.

Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; For your dew is like the dew of herbs, And the earth shall cast out the dead. Isa 26:19

So, this is clear that those who dwell in dust -"from dust you were made and to dust you return" refers to our physical dead bodies.

But still searching as necessary - very important.
 
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ewq1938 said:
Taking people to heaven is NOT in the verse at all. Complete and utter eisegesis.
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They are there in rev 19.
The bride has become the wife IN HEAVEN.

NOW
Read those words by Jesus at the last supper.

Church NEEDS GLORIFIED BODIES to drink wine with Jesus in heaven.
 
Absolutely said:
Before the flood

No craftiness on your part can have noah gathered any other time.

You seek to generalize and reframe the bible.

No matter what , it says EMPHATICALLY and vividly EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS.

Noah was not gathered mid flood or post flood.

You are oblivious to it.
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No generalization or changing Scripture with me - as Scripture corrected your changing tribulation to God's wrath = BAD.

Are you studying the things God wants you to see = Keep/Keeping/Kept & Patience
 
DavidTree said:
No generalization or changing Scripture with me - as Scripture corrected your changing tribulation to God's wrath = BAD.

Are you studying the things God wants you to see = Keep/Keeping/Kept & Patience
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No matter what, noah and lot both gathered prejudgement.

The gt kicks off with 4 horsemen.

Released by heaven.

Whether it is rain, demons on horses, or any other event by God.

The results look the same. Millions dead.
People left behind to die with the sinners.
 
Absolutely said:
They are there in rev 19.
The bride has become the wife IN HEAVEN.

NOW
Read those words by Jesus at the last supper.

Church NEEDS GLORIFIED BODIES to drink wine with Jesus in heaven.
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They are their all throughout Revelation, after death, and given their White Robes in Heaven BEFORE the Resurrection.

White Robes are not their New Resurrected Glorified Bodies.

TRUTH from the Mouth of God: Revelation 6:9-11

And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”

Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.

Revelation 7
After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.
And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”
And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


White Robes are given to us when our spirits return to the Lord after death.
 
Absolutely said:
No matter what, noah and lot both gathered prejudgement.

The gt kicks off with 4 horsemen.

Released by heaven.

Whether it is rain, demons on horses, or any other event by God.

The results look the same. Millions dead.
People left behind to die with the sinners.
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It's the start of sin.War and violence.Unless you think the angle is going to sing his sword, and every one is going to get violent all the sudden.It was Jesus that started violence, because he was found worthy to open the seals.He had to become sin for a time in order to destroy the foreverness of it.
 
DavidTree said:
They are their all throughout Revelation, after death, and given their White Robes in Heaven BEFORE the Resurrection.

White Robes are not their New Resurrected Glorified Bodies.

TRUTH from the Mouth of God: Revelation 6:9-11

And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”

Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.

Revelation 7
After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands.
And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”
And all the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. And they fell facedown before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever! Amen.”

Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”

“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”

So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


White Robes are given to us when our spirits return to the Lord after death.
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It says the bride has become the wife.

And that has taken place in heaven.

Pretrib rapture
 
rayzor said:
It's the start of sin.War and violence.Unless you think the angle is going to sing his sword, and every one is going to get violent all the sudden.It was Jesus that started violence, because he was found worthy to open the seals.He had to become sin for a time in order to destroy the foreverness of it.
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noah and lot gathered prejudgement.

But beyond that, the setting is peacetime.

Same setting in acts1, mat 25, mat 24 one taken/left, the baby Jesus gathered to egypt and with lot.

All peacetime and normal life.

Pretrib rapture 100%
 
Absolutely said:
It says the bride has become the wife.

And that has taken place in heaven.

Pretrib rapture
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Yes, and this is related to the completion of the Fifth Seal. Go back to Rev ch 6, 7 and 14 -
Saints are still on earth being killed by the Beast. God is waiting until the Set Time.

Notice that the Resurrection has not yet ocurred in chapter 19.

The Resurrection occurs in chapter 20

Take your time to review - we love each other because of His Great Love for us.
This isn't a contest - it is a Love Feast for Truth and Fellowship
 
DavidTree said:
Yes, and this is related to the completion of the Fifth Seal. Go back to Rev ch 6, 7 and 14 -
Saints are still on earth being killed by the Beast. God is waiting until the Set Time.

Notice that the Resurrection has not yet ocurred in chapter 19.

The Resurrection occurs in chapter 20

Take your time to review - we love each other because of His Great Love for us.
This isn't a contest - it is a Love Feast for Truth and Fellowship
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Those on earth during the gt are left behind as depicted in mat 25.

Mat 24 also has the EXACT SAME RATIO as left behind. 50%.

The jews are ushered to safety.

Only the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions.
No church sealed.....because they are not there
 
Absolutely said:
Those on earth during the gt are left behind as depicted in mat 25.

Mat 24 also has the EXACT SAME RATIO as left behind. 50%.

The jews are ushered to safety.

Only the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions.
No church sealed.....because they are not there
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Please clarify this: "Those on earth during the gt are left behind as depicted in mat 25."

Thank You
 
DavidTree said:
Yes, and this is related to the completion of the Fifth Seal. Go back to Rev ch 6, 7 and 14 -
Saints are still on earth being killed by the Beast. God is waiting until the Set Time.

Notice that the Resurrection has not yet ocurred in chapter 19.

The Resurrection occurs in chapter 20

Take your time to review - we love each other because of His Great Love for us.
This isn't a contest - it is a Love Feast for Truth and Fellowship
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Saints who come to believe DURING the time of the tribulation are martyred. Have you done a study on tribulation saints as of yet?
 
GRACE_ambassador said:
Amen! Romans - Philemon Has "Heaven, Heavens, and Heavenly" at Least THIRTY times!
I know where my ETERNAL citizenship is:

"...in Heaven; From Whence also we look for THE Saviour, The LORD JESUS CHRIST:"
(Phil 3:20 cp 2 Corinthians 5:1-2)

Amen? See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ♫ 😇 ↑
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Amen brother. In almost every instance when speaking to the wrath to come, there is a juxtaposition of states indicated.....wrath for "them" peace comfort rest and heaven for "us".
 
cv5 said:
Saints who come to believe DURING the time of the tribulation are martyred. Have you done a study on tribulation saints as of yet?
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Yes, and these Saints are more Members of His Body / His Bride/ His Elect being added daily unto His Coming
Not One of HIS Saints will be Left Behind - Not One

Anyone who says that Christ leaves behind His Saints is speaking a falsehood - a false prophetic word - a false prophet.

Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort,
who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past;
and they overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

Dear Brother CV5, your desire to say "the falling away" is the departure of His Bride

The Holy Spirit says to you here and now = you have strayed(departed) from the truth.
 
There is no such thing as a "tribulation saint". (no scripture) Saints are saints and all are members of the church body.
 
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