Christ is God

[TheLearner]

Jesus didn't "come out of God". Rather, Jesus is and always was God.

The confusion stems from the fact that we humans are distinct from each other, so we find it difficult to comprehend God being one, yet there being three who are God.

That is not hard for me because I know God is spirit and does not conform to our limitations as humans.

 

[Evmur]

Man begets men, God begot God.

 

[TheLearner]

Jesus is the second most important figure in the Bible, behind GOD then the Spirit.....suppose Lucifer should get a mention as well.
Jesus wasn't mentioned at creation but the spirit was...why was that?
simple logic....because GOD was there, ......and Jesus wasn't born, because Mary hadn't been born to give birth to him
when a man lays with a woman, he gives a piece of himself, the egg gets fertilised, and a son is born.
the same thing happened to Christ, but his father is GOD, so he got a lot more than we do, he is in essence GOD himself

Boo Satan --- he is not as important as the Apostles and Saints followed by the Angels. Satan belongs in the hole of an outhouse.

 

[TheLearner]

my brother's and sister's, you should not be getting angry with me,...instead you should try to disprove me, check if what I'm saying is a lie...with the help of GOD, common sense, simple logic, the help of the spirit, facts in the Bible, example of Christ.....
I AM learning so much on these pages...thank you one and all, let's all GROW together in GOD.

https://www.calvarychapelboston.com/Biblical Basis Trinity Bowman.pdf

 

[TheLearner]

You said you did not see Jesus in gen 1:1 right? well jesus in in the name Elohiym you said: Jesus wasn't mentioned at creation.It's not a big deal i guess

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

 

[TheLearner]

well done all

 

[TheLearner]

Man begets men, God begot God.

 

[rayzor]

in the Bible I read KJV,.... Jesus wasn't mentioned at all in the old testament, as Jesus.....what version do you read?....it is a big deal, it shows our understanding of what we read

In the King Jame Jesus said he was the i am of the old testament
In this case masoretic text:It is talking about Jesus from the beginning.Its just that you seem simple minded True the spelling Jesus in not found in the old testament, but i tell you the truth. it was not found in the new testament either.Those name are English representations,,You don't seem to know it but you said something untrue because Maybe? your to lazy to look a little deeper?Yes Jesus is found in the old testament.

 

[Hone]

In the King Jame Jesus said he was the i am of the old testament
In this case masoretic text:It is talking about Jesus from the beginning.Its just that you seem simple minded True the spelling Jesus in not found in the old testament, but i tell you the truth. it was not found in the new testament either.Those name are English representations,,You don't seem to know it but you said something untrue because Maybe? your to lazy to look a little deeper?Yes Jesus is found in the old testament.

These are not words of a true Christian....and I detect the Koran coming through, ...for those who read it, Jesus is not a name nor is he the Messiah, but a man prophet...instead they put Muhammad,....a man who was born in the province of the small tribe that maintains the shrines at Mecca or that Holy place they pilgrimage to. a few hundred years later he is a God, always has been always will be... is that you....why? your against the name of Jesus, but push the Arabic/Muslim names
PLEASE read the OLD testament again and see how many times the name Jesus pops up.
THEN read the NEW testament and see how many times Jesus's name is mentioned...please log down the numbers in both cases. your proof will be in your numbers...let's stick with KJV

 

[rayzor]

These are not words of a true Christian....and I detect the Koran coming through, ...for those who read it, Jesus is not a name nor is he the Messiah, but a man prophet...instead they put Muhammad,....a man who was born in the province of the small tribe that maintains the shrines at Mecca or that Holy place they pilgrimage to. a few hundred years later he is a God, always has been always will be... is that you....why? your against the name of Jesus, but push the Arabic/Muslim names
PLEASE read the OLD testament again and see how many times the name Jesus pops up.
THEN read the NEW testament and see how many times Jesus's name is mentioned...please log down the numbers in both cases. your proof will be in your numbers...let's stick with KJV

TR = kjv = Jesus is In the old testament 218 times in the form of Joshua
יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
Transliteration
yᵊhôšûaʿ
Pronunciation
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah

Part of Speech
proper masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From יְהֹוָה (H3068) and יָשַׁע (H3467)
Variant Spellings
Variant spellings for this word: יהושוע (Strongs and Gesenius) יהושע (Strongs and Gesenius)
KJV Translation Count — Total: 218x
The KJV translates Strong's H3091 in the following manner: Joshua (218x).

 

[Hone]

TR = kjv = Jesus is In the old testament 218 times in the form of Joshua
יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
Transliteration
yᵊhôšûaʿ
Pronunciation
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah

Part of Speech
proper masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From יְהֹוָה (H3068) and יָשַׁע (H3467)
Variant Spellings
Variant spellings for this word: יהושוע (Strongs and Gesenius) יהושע (Strongs and Gesenius)
KJV Translation Count — Total: 218x
The KJV translates Strong's H3091 in the following manner: Joshua (218x).

the name we are discussing is JESUS, not Joshua...and it does not say that Jesus name is Joshua,..the Lamb, the rock, the Messiah.. but not Joshua.....Jesus may be translated to Joshua in a language sense but...in the Bible JESUS is JESUS...and we are best to keep it that way or we will get lost in our own understanding... we can't let what ever else we read, co mingle with the Bible, it waters down the power.
We let what we read increase our knowledge from the Bible, sometimes we read them to disprove the Bible, but they must increase our knowledge, not confuse it

 

[MattforJesus]

There is no trinity and the Bible says but to us there is but one God the Father, and one God the Father who is in all, and through all, and above all.

And the Son was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, and He was made of a woman, made under the law.

And the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, and Jesus said he who has seen Him has seen the Father.

And Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven to not ask Him anything, but in another passage of scripture Jesus said ask Him and He will do it.

 

[Hone]

There is no trinity and the Bible says but to us there is but one God the Father, and one God the Father who is in all, and through all, and above all.

And the Son was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, and He was made of a woman, made under the law.

And the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, and Jesus said he who has seen Him has seen the Father.

And Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven to not ask Him anything, but in another passage of scripture Jesus said ask Him and He will do it.

the GOD head is a trinity,...Father, Son, Holy Spirit....3...and yes all are the Father...what's your point it's just another name for the GOD head

 

[Evmur]

who can help you?

 

[Hone]

For me it's Happy Sabbath everyone....
just want to go over the evidence so far

GOD was in the beginning,... no proof....Jesus was there as a separate entity...
the Spirit was there helping GOD to create...
GOD spoke to prophets, and man through his angels, and dreams...through out the old testament
there is no mention of the name of Jesus...or GOD's own son in the old testament..
instead, in the old testament they refer to the coming of the King, Messiah, lion, lamb, rock....& saviour, (I don't think he is even referred to as the son)
It's not til the new testament when the angel spoke to Mary, he is mentioned..

I believe Jesus was the spirit of GOD, waiting until the father put forth his spirit into Mary.
GOD knew that he would have to give up his spirit as a sacrifice, before he created, that spirit is called Emmanuel
JOHN 1:1...."In the beginning WAS the word, and the word WAS with GOD, & the word WAS GOD....Jesus IS the WORD & WAS...IN GOD
OR................"In the beginning IS the word, and the word IS with GOD, & the word IS GOD...

WE all posses the capacity be children of GOD...we just have to let the potter work the clay.
when we say we have FAITH, do we hold GOD above our husband or wife, do we hold GOD above our children, do we hold GOD above our job's, our wealth, our possession's....DO we TRUST GOD enough to let him guide and direct our lives, in all that we do & say, we do it in the name of the father....that is the FAITH he ask of us all....not all of us will have THAT faith

I- AM,...WILL...DO...Love GOD....May he bless us all...with all we require...to a life full of LOVE, PEACE, & HARMONY...GODbless

 

[TheLearner]

For me it's Happy Sabbath everyone....
just want to go over the evidence so far

GOD was in the beginning,... no proof....Jesus was there as a separate entity...
the Spirit was there helping GOD to create...
GOD spoke to prophets, and man through his angels, and dreams...through out the old testament
there is no mention of the name of Jesus...or GOD's own son in the old testament..
instead, in the old testament they refer to the coming of the King, Messiah, lion, lamb, rock....& saviour, (I don't think he is even referred to as the son)
It's not til the new testament when the angel spoke to Mary, he is mentioned..

I believe Jesus was the spirit of GOD, waiting until the father put forth his spirit into Mary.
GOD knew that he would have to give up his spirit as a sacrifice, before he created, that spirit is called Emmanuel
JOHN 1:1...."In the beginning WAS the word, and the word WAS with GOD, & the word WAS GOD....Jesus IS the WORD & WAS...IN GOD
OR................"In the beginning IS the word, and the word IS with GOD, & the word IS GOD...

WE all posses the capacity be children of GOD...we just have to let the potter work the clay.
when we say we have FAITH, do we hold GOD above our husband or wife, do we hold GOD above our children, do we hold GOD above our job's, our wealth, our possession's....DO we TRUST GOD enough to let him guide and direct our lives, in all that we do & say, we do it in the name of the father....that is the FAITH he ask of us all....not all of us will have THAT faith

I- AM,...WILL...DO...Love GOD....May he bless us all...with all we require...to a life full of LOVE, PEACE, & HARMONY...GODbless

Friend the man God Jesus was not born yet.

Psa 2
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


"
THE PREEXISTENCE OF THE SON


But of the Son He says. . . . “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands. . . .” (Heb. 1:8, 10)[1]

The preexistence and deity of the distinct person of the Son, Jesus Christ, has been a main theme in Christian education as well as the basis of many hymns of the Christian faith. The preexistence of the Son has been a laser light in early Christian Councils and resulting creedal documents. That Christ preexisted with the Father and the Holy Spirit is the very foundation of historic biblical Christianity. Christ Jesus clearly affirmed the magnificent truth of both His deity and preexistence many times in His earthly life (e.g., Matt. 8:26; 12:6, 18; Mark 14:61-62; John 2:19; 3:13; 5:17-18; 6:35-40 [esp. v. 38]; 8:24, 58 et al; 10:28-30; 16:28; Rev. 1:8, 17; 22:13). In addition, according to various passages in the NT, the preincarnate Christ is identified as the YHWH of the OT in many places.[2]

...

[2] For example, compare Psalm 102:25-27 with Hebrews 1:10-12; Isaiah 6:1, 3, 10 with John 12:39-41 (thus, Isa. 6:8); Isaiah 8:12-13 with 1 Peter 3:14-15; Isaiah 45:23 with Philippians 2:10-11; Joel 2:32 with Romans 10:13 and many more (cf. also Dan. 7:9-14; Isa. 9:6; Micah 5:2). Aside from the NT affirmation, which identifies Christ as the YHWH of many OT passages, the OT identifies the Angel of the Lord as YHWH (e.g., Gen. 16:10-11; 19:24; Exod. 3:6, 14; Judges 6:11-24; 13:16, 21 et al.). "
https://christiandefense.org/general/the-preexistence-of-the-son/#_ftn2

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Hebrews 1:8-9
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”


Psalm 45:6-7
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
7You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.

 

[TheLearner]

Micah 5:2
Verse Concepts
“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from long ago,
From the days of eternity.”

John 1:1
Verse Concepts
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 8:58
Verse Concepts
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

John 17:5
Verse Concepts
Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

John 17:24
Verse Concepts
Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Colossians 1:17
Verse Concepts
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Hebrews 7:3
Verse Concepts
Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.

Revelation 22:13
Verse Concepts
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Colossians 1:15
Verse Concepts
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Hebrews 1:11-12
They will perish, but You remain;
And they all will become old like a garment,
And like a mantle You will roll them up;
Like a garment they will also be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.”

1 John 1:1-2
What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us—

John 1:1-2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:15
Verse Concepts
John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’”

Revelation 1:17-18
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

Revelation 2:8
Verse Concepts
“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write:The first and the last, who was dead, and has come to life, says this:

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Preexistence-Of-Christ

 

[Hone]

Friend the man God Jesus was not born yet.

Psa 2
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.


"
THE PREEXISTENCE OF THE SON


But of the Son He says. . . . “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of Your hands. . . .” (Heb. 1:8, 10)[1]

The preexistence and deity of the distinct person of the Son, Jesus Christ, has been a main theme in Christian education as well as the basis of many hymns of the Christian faith. The preexistence of the Son has been a laser light in early Christian Councils and resulting creedal documents. That Christ preexisted with the Father and the Holy Spirit is the very foundation of historic biblical Christianity. Christ Jesus clearly affirmed the magnificent truth of both His deity and preexistence many times in His earthly life (e.g., Matt. 8:26; 12:6, 18; Mark 14:61-62; John 2:19; 3:13; 5:17-18; 6:35-40 [esp. v. 38]; 8:24, 58 et al; 10:28-30; 16:28; Rev. 1:8, 17; 22:13). In addition, according to various passages in the NT, the preincarnate Christ is identified as the YHWH of the OT in many places.[2]

...

[2] For example, compare Psalm 102:25-27 with Hebrews 1:10-12; Isaiah 6:1, 3, 10 with John 12:39-41 (thus, Isa. 6:8); Isaiah 8:12-13 with 1 Peter 3:14-15; Isaiah 45:23 with Philippians 2:10-11; Joel 2:32 with Romans 10:13 and many more (cf. also Dan. 7:9-14; Isa. 9:6; Micah 5:2). Aside from the NT affirmation, which identifies Christ as the YHWH of many OT passages, the OT identifies the Angel of the Lord as YHWH (e.g., Gen. 16:10-11; 19:24; Exod. 3:6, 14; Judges 6:11-24; 13:16, 21 et al.). "
https://christiandefense.org/general/the-preexistence-of-the-son/#_ftn2

By your own admission in the OLD testament he is called YHWH...who IS GOD

 

[TheLearner]

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.