Trigger for the Tribulation

[DavidTree]

There is No Trigger to set things off for ALL things are Governed by the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

There are THREE who bare Witness in Heaven to ALL things

The Son = This Gospel will be preached throughout the world and then the End.
The Father = He alone knows the Day and Hour
The Holy Spirit = Only HE who now restrains will do so until HE is taken out of the way = of the man of sin

 

[ewq1938]

When Jesus comes back in the rapture, He is taking us home to be with Him. We will not be on the earth any more.

No, that isn't what happens. The rapture is designed to get all saved living Christians around world to one place so they can all be together, gathered together, and that place is the clouds of Earth. Then they will follow Christ down to the first place he goes and they will follow him where ever he goes. Eventually that will be Jerusalem.

 

[Omegatime]

Depends on what you mean by "tribulation." What are we talking about that will be triggered?

What event might be the event to open the first seal, could be any number of things----time, event like permission to build temple, ect. We know this coming antichrist is going to make a covenant with many which will include Israel

 

[ewq1938]

What event might be the event to open the first seal

There is no event. Christ came to his Father, took book and opened seals, all of them. All the seals did was show John glimpses of coming events that take place in 7 trumpets. When a seal was opened, nothing but a vision of the future happened. When a trump sounds, things actually happen immediately. A wax seal was used to keep wrong people from reading something. Trumpets were used to signal an army to take an action like attack forward, retreat, turn left or right etc.

Seals: all information.
Trumpets: events are taking place
Vials: wrath of God upon marked unsaved

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I already explained it fully. man of sin can perform miracles to deceive and I believe he will imitate Christ, his coming and the rapture etc. He will do it when he first appears and that will cause Apostasy and then all will be marked with rest of world. Only some Christians will refuse all of this.

Well it makes no sense, But if you think so

 

[GaryA]

It's actually, "in my personal and humble opinion"

Thanks!

 

[GaryA]

No

He said, WHEN YOU SEE (future)

He did not say, WHEN THEY SAW (past)

The [real, actual] AoD is not what He is telling them they are going to see.

(believe it or not)

'when --> future' is correct

(from OD POV)

It is the 'what' that you are not understanding properly.

 

[GaryA]

In Daniel 9, the AOD occurs AFTER the messiah is cut off. in the middle of the 70th week.

The [specific 'event'] AoD is nowhere in Daniel 9.

Daniel 11 - yes
Daniel 12 - yes
Daniel 9 - no

 

[GaryA]

If you do not believe that Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a are all talking about the very same exact thing --- then you need to correct that error first...

If you do not believe that Matthew 24:15-20 / Mark 13:14-18 / Luke 21:20-23a are all talking about the very same exact thing --- then you need to correct that error first...

These three passages are describing the very same exact thing in the very same exact time frame.

Three accounts of the same discourse.

 

[justbyfaith]

No, that isn't what happens. The rapture is designed to get all saved living Christians around world to one place so they can all be together, gathered together, and that place is the clouds of Earth. Then they will follow Christ down to the first place he goes and they will follow him where ever he goes. Eventually that will be Jerusalem.

The church will be caught up to heaven and for seven years will be participating in the marriage supper of the Lamb.

When Christ returns in the 2nd coming, He will immediately capture the beast and will begin to rule and reign in Jerusalem; and all the saints with Him.

 

[ewq1938]

The church will be caught up to heaven and for seven years will be participating in the marriage supper of the Lamb.

None of that comes from the bible which is a major problem. The highest the bible says raptured go to is clouds of Earth. Not one verse says they are taken to The Heaven where the Father is. Also, the great tribulation passages of Revelation and gospels all show church suffering tribulation. It's the main purpose of tribulation. Nothing about pretrib makes sense and none of it is biblical.

 

[justbyfaith]

I am believing God for an affirmative answer to the prayer that I pray every night in obedience to Jesus' exhortation in Luke 21:36.

You would attempt to undermine my faith in the answer to that prayer so that I might go through the Great Tribulation with you.

However, I rest assured that, since Jesus told me to pray for it, it is a prayer that is according to His will.

Now, 1 John 5:14-15 tells me that I have the thing that I am asking for; and Mark 11:24 only serves to confirm that even more.

So, if you have not the same faith, then I suppose that you can go through that time period if you wish to do so.

But I think that it is shamefully unnecessary.

 

[ewq1938]

I am believing God for an affirmative answer to the prayer that I pray every night in obedience to Jesus' exhortation in Luke 21:36.

You would attempt to undermine my faith in the answer to that prayer so that I might go through the Great Tribulation with you.

Everyone alive when great tribulation begins will go through it. The only way to avoid it is to die before it happens. There are two paths through the great tribulation. One is on the marked side, a wide road, and then there is a narrow road of receiving tribulation from the enemy.

Don't accept the wrong Jesus because a false one will come and offer you everything you think you want and are praying for.

 

[justbyfaith]

Everyone alive when great tribulation begins will go through it. The only way to avoid it is to die before it happens. There are two paths through the great tribulation. One is on the marked side, a wide road, and then there is a narrow road of receiving tribulation from the enemy.

Don't accept the wrong Jesus because a false one will come and offer you everything you think you want and are praying for.

A lie from the pit.

Jesus commanded me to pray that I might be accounted worthy to escape those things that are going to come to pass during that time.

It is going to be Jesus who answers that prayer; and no one else.

 

[justbyfaith]

But I am not going to argue with you any further; because it is written,

Rom 14:1, Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The [specific 'event'] AoD is nowhere in Daniel 9.

Daniel 11 - yes
Daniel 12 - yes
Daniel 9 - no

sorry sir. I can not continue this with you

ypur the only person I ever met that say there is no AOD in daniel 9

its there in black and white

 

[ResidentAlien]

What event might be the event to open the first seal, could be any number of things----time, event like permission to build temple, ect. We know this coming antichrist is going to make a covenant with many which will include Israel

The first seal is already open: worldwide deception.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

The church will be caught up to heaven and for seven years will be participating in the marriage supper of the Lamb.

When Christ returns in the 2nd coming, He will immediately capture the beast and will begin to rule and reign in Jerusalem; and all the saints with Him.

Precious friend:

Many assume "they are in THE ARMY" that comes to the earth, at
The Second Coming. How can they be sure? Just a thought on
Some Relavant Scriptures!:

Did you know about the ARMIES, Coming With CHRIST? Please notice:

(1) Rev_19:14 "And the ARMIES which were in heaven followed HIM
upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

(2) Rev_19:19 "And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth,
and their armies, gathered together to make war against HIM
That sat on the horse, and against HIS ARMY!"

(3a) WHY Is There Only "ONE army" left, when CHRIST "Gets to the earth?”

(3b) Is THIS the “ONE army” that was Remaining, to come ALL the way to earth?:

"When The Son of Man Shall Come In HIS Glory, and ALL ​

THE HOLY ANGELS With HIM, Then Shall HE Sit Upon The​

Throne Of HIS GLORY!" (Matthew_25:31)​

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(4) What took place Between (1) and (2) above? Was it this?:

Did ONE Of The "armies {The Body Of CHRIST} Get Assigned” THEIR:​

................ Heavenly HOPE "ruling and reigning" positions? ....................​

(Colossians 1:5; 1 Corinthians 6:3, 15:38-49; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2)​

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Conclusion: Would the saints "ruling and reigning
With Him in Jerusalem, on the earth, then, be these?:

Mat_19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That
ye {TWELVE apostles?} which have followed Me, in the regeneration
when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His Glory, ye also shall
sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luk_22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in My kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
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Mat_25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on His Right Hand,
Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for
you from the foundation of the world:
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(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
GRACE/Mystery fellowship {Romans – Philemon}, for ALL, today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God’s Simple Will!

 

[ResidentAlien]

The first seal is already open: worldwide deception.

Here we see a serious problem for those looking for a pre-tribulation rapture. The great worldwide deception has already begun and pre-tribbers can't see it.

The first signs Jesus gave as portents of the end in the Olivet discourse correspond exactly with the four horsemen of Revelation 6:

White horse—Deception. "For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and they will lead many astray."—Matthew 24:5

Red horse—War. "And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet."—Matthew 24:6

Black horse—Famine. "There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences."—Luke 21:11

Pale Horse—Pestilence. "There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences."—Luke 21:11

 

[ewq1938]

The first seal is already open: worldwide deception.

All seals were opened. The seals only provide information of future events. They are not events that happen when a seal is opened.