Daniel 9:26-27, 70 Weeks

[pittsburghjoe]

Daniel 9:26-27 is bothering me, i see satan the prince destroying the rebuilt city and sanctuary after JESUS is cut off. ...but the next verse ...why are we assuming it is talking about satan? JESUS stopped the Covenant that included sacrifice and oblation because He fulfilled it in the midst of a week. Would it mean the guess of 7 years of tribulation is wrong?

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.​

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

Why are we so convinced we know what "A Time, Times, and Half a Time" means?

Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14​

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 7:25,Daniel 12:7,Revelation 12:14&version=KJV

It could be trial time, harder trial time, halved trial time by GOD'S Mercy.


there is a sea of lukewarm waiting for some dumb mark to be offered to them to convince them to get Right with GOD ...but the mark is probably already here.


Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

//missing the mark (sin) is missing the high calling of GOD'S Plan.

//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

erm, i might be very wrong about Daniel 9:27 ...but kjv didn't help ...why does it read like that? What else could JESUS be Talking about in Daniel?:

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Matthew 24:15-16 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:​

The Life or death Choice for this test is The Plan you are following.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Daniel 9:26-27 is bothering me, i see satan the prince destroying the rebuilt city and sanctuary after JESUS is cut off. ...but the next verse ...why are we assuming it is talking about satan? JESUS stopped the Covenant that included sacrifice and oblation because He fulfilled it in the midst of a week. Would it mean the guess of 7 years of tribulation is wrong?

1. You need to take the entire passage from verse 24 to 27 as one unit.
2. This passage speaks of both Christ and the Antichrist, not Satan.
3. Jesus did not stop or nullify any covenant. It is the Antichrist who will break his bogus covenant.
4. Messiah was cut off or crucified exactly 483 years after the decree to rebuild the temple and Jerusalem.
4. Time, times, and half a time = 1 year + 2 years + 6 months = 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1260 days. This is the first half of Daniel's 70th week of seven years and all these numbers amount to exactly the same thing.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

1. You need to take the entire passage from verse 24 to 27 as one unit.
2. This passage speaks of both Christ and the Antichrist, not Satan.
3. Jesus did not stop or nullify any covenant. It is the Antichrist who will break his bogus covenant.
4. Messiah was cut off or crucified exactly 483 years after the decree to rebuild the temple and Jerusalem.
4. Time, times, and half a time = 1 year + 2 years + 6 months = 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1260 days. This is the first half of Daniel's 70th week of seven years and all these numbers amount to exactly the same thing.

is the bogus covenant the mark of the beast? do we already have a covenant with the antichrist when we follow satan's plan instead of GOD'S?

 

[GaryA]

Daniel 9:24-27 is not saying what most people have been taught to believe that it says.

Nothing in those verses is referring to anything in our future.

Everything in those verses was fulfilled during Christ's ministry, death, burial, and resurrection - or - during the events of circa 70 A.D.

The three words 'he' in verse 27 are referring to Christ Himself.

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

 

[rayzor]

is the bogus covenant the mark of the beast? do we already have a covenant with the antichrist when we follow satan's plan instead of GOD'S?

pittsburghjoe I been told a bogus covenant,That i'm alone that it does not matter what i do as long as i don't hurt any one.That if we think on certain things [they demons] would help us with things even if it's not moral.That we can control people especially when we are strong and confident.Also that we could control people with text.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Daniel 9:24-27 is not saying what most people have been taught to believe that it says.

Nothing in those verses is referring to anything in our future.

Everything in those verses was fulfilled during Christ's ministry, death, burial, and resurrection - or - during the events of circa 70 A.D.

The three words 'he' in verse 27 are referring to Christ Himself.

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

So, you are expecting GOD'S Wrath next, instead of an offer for some type of mark of the beast? How do you know that last week wasn't paused for Gentiles? Some Prophecies play out twice.

fallen people are on a plan that includes getting the mark ...if they physically live that long ...but if they die (in their sins) beforehand, it might still count as them receiving it.

 

[rayzor]

So, you are expecting GOD'S Wrath next, instead of an offer for some type of mark of the beast? How do you know that last week wasn't paused for Gentiles? Some Prophecies play out twice.

fallen people are on a plan that includes getting the mark ...if they physically live that long ...but if they die (in their sins) beforehand, it might still count as them receiving it.

pittsburghjoe . The great command is to love god with all your heart soul and might.To love your neighbors as your selfs.That has not been possible since god left us.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

pittsburghjoe . The great command is to love god with all your heart soul and might.To love your neighbors as your selfs.That has not been possible since god left us.

JESUS Made it possible by Creating the first Reborn Holy Image for us.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Daniel 9:24-27 is not saying what most people have been taught to believe that it says.

Nothing in those verses is referring to anything in our future.

Everything in those verses was fulfilled during Christ's ministry, death, burial, and resurrection - or - during the events of circa 70 A.D.

The three words 'he' in verse 27 are referring to Christ Himself.

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

"(It is not talking about the Abomination of Desolation.) "

So what was JESUS Pointing to in Daniel then? (Matthew 24:15-16)

Check out the Christian Standard Bible version of Daniel 9:27

He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator."​

//Different versions of The Bible are vastly different on this verse. i considered lucifer as a cherub with a wing covering the Ark of The Covenant in The Temple.

 

[rayzor]

JESUS Made it possible by Creating the first Reborn Holy Image for us.

no one would argue the point that we are not perfect yet,maybe they should.No doubt love is a part of that perfection.we do not have it like they had it. The fact that you think we do worry's me. Yes we have the written example but not the reality.Those that do would be walking on water.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Daniel 9:24-27 is not saying what most people have been taught to believe that it says.

Nothing in those verses is referring to anything in our future.

Everything in those verses was fulfilled during Christ's ministry, death, burial, and resurrection - or - during the events of circa 70 A.D.

The three words 'he' in verse 27 are referring to Christ Himself.

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

Are you aware that Revelation was written after A.D. 70?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Daniel 9:24-27 is not saying what most people have been taught to believe that it says.

Nothing in those verses is referring to anything in our future.

Everything in those verses was fulfilled during Christ's ministry, death, burial, and resurrection - or - during the events of circa 70 A.D.

The three words 'he' in verse 27 are referring to Christ Himself.

Please see:

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html

Maybe there is some type of middle ground here? We don't need the physical Temple to be a thing in the last days for the antichrist to offer a mark.

Are we on the final day of the 70 weeks? The Day of The LORD? An age of Judgment? JESUS is Standing in for our Judgment right now on this Day. The Reborn/Faithful (Body of CHRIST) are all connected to 2000 years ago.

i wonder if sda was onto something when they say the pope is the antichrist and the usa is the false prophet. prosperity sermons are false prophecy ...and the usa has plenty of those. maybe they start praising the pope to worship the image of the beast. i think the pope is starting some type of umbrella religion where any man made religion can join it.

this is all just guesses, so if we do see a Temple being made ...run from it. But also, if you are lukewarm waiting for a Temple to built to get Right with GOD ....consider there might not ever be one.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Daniel 9:26-27 is bothering me, i see satan the prince destroying the rebuilt city and sanctuary after JESUS is cut off. ...but the next verse ...why are we assuming it is talking about satan? JESUS stopped the Covenant that included sacrifice and oblation because He fulfilled it in the midst of a week. Would it mean the guess of 7 years of tribulation is wrong?

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.​

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

Why are we so convinced we know what "A Time, Times, and Half a Time" means?

Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14​

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 7:25,Daniel 12:7,Revelation 12:14&version=KJV

It could be trial time, harder trial time, halved trial time by GOD'S Mercy.


there is a sea of lukewarm waiting for some dumb mark to be offered to them to convince them to get Right with GOD ...but the mark is probably already here.


Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

//missing the mark (sin) is missing the high calling of GOD'S Plan.

//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan.

I think it’s the same aspect as this

“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads…. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:3, 17‬ ‭

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Satan does his work in the world through wicked men appointed ( like pharaoh , nebucadnezzar , Judas ect ) just as God accomplishes his works through good and willing to obey men ( abel , Noah , Moses , David , Jesus , the apostles ect

Satan is a spiritual force in the world and the beast is of men who operate on his behalf in the world notice the beast takes the form of the dragon ? Satans spirit but natural men willingly operating for him in the earth.

I think it’s the same for the reference your wondering about there , Rome being the operator of satans Will and Gods wrath to destroy the city after messiah was cut off

 

[pittsburghjoe]

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Can i get your input on the post above yours? Also, why aren't we considering prophetic timing for this forty and two months?

1277.5 days = 1, 277.5 years, do they have to be consecutive?

 

[DavidTree]

Maybe the first 3.5 years were fulfilled in Christ's Ministry which just so happened to be 3.5 years - go figure.

 

[MattforJesus]

Daniel 9:26-27 is bothering me, i see satan the prince destroying the rebuilt city and sanctuary after JESUS is cut off. ...but the next verse ...why are we assuming it is talking about satan? JESUS stopped the Covenant that included sacrifice and oblation because He fulfilled it in the midst of a week. Would it mean the guess of 7 years of tribulation is wrong?

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

70 weeks are determined upon Israel and upon Jerusalem to make an end of sins, and bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy who is Jesus, and the only way they can make an end of sins is by accepting Jesus.

The nation of Israel has 70 weeks to be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

69 weeks has passed.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The 69 weeks are in the past when Jesus was on earth for after 62 weeks Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself but to shed His blood to wash away sins.

The weeks are years not actual days so that is 490 years.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

There is 1 more week to go which is 7 years and it will be the New Age Christ, antichrist, that will establish that peace treaty in the Middle East in an attempt to get the Jews to go along with his agenda.

The 7 years period is the time God causes all people who do not love Him to follow the antichrist and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior fulfilling the 70 weeks determined upon Israel as a nation to be in the truth.

For the first three and one half years salvation is still available to the world, and all people who do not love God will be given strong delusion to follow the New Age Christ.

The last three and one half years the world persecutes the Christians and then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father and put down all authority, power, and rule.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

God will restore the kingdom to the nation of Israel.

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

God has not cast away His people but Israel shall never cease to be a nation and the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles of the Lamb is written in the New Jerusalem.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Israel is the Church and it is Israel all the way from Abraham to Jacob, Israel, to Jesus to the millennial reign to the New Jerusalem, and when a Gentile is saved they are a Jew inward and belong to the commonwealth of Israel.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God will bring the whole house of Israel back to Israel and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they will know the LORD their God from that time forward and He will never hide His face from them again which means they will always be in the truth from that time forward.

This is a future prophecy when God restores the kingdom to the Jews for Israel is not in the truth as a nation.

Continued,

 

[MattforJesus]

Continued,

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and they believe the Christ conscience will come upon him, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The time will come that they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts the new age movement.

The new age movement will pave the way for all people who do not love God.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East between the Jews and Palestinians, and it will pave the way for all Jews to go back to their land for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land but God means it for good towards the Jews.

The New Age Christ will start working in the world at the start of the 7 years period as a great man of peace, and will push the agenda of the new age movement interpretation of religion until the world rebels against God, and then God will end sin on earth.

The 70 weeks are determined upon Israel as a nation to get in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, which God will send the Jews 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth.

69 weeks have passed and the last week is the time that God causes all people who do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, and bring the Jews to the truth.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Israel is blinded in part until salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, which the 70th week could of not come to pass for Israel as a nation is not in the truth, and Israel as a nation will be in the truth at the end of the 70 weeks.

Salvation is still available for the first three and one half years, and the falling away is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which they stopped the preaching of anything contrary to the new age movement.

The two witnesses are sent to Israel to turn them to the truth which they have power to go against anybody that tries to stop them, and the world cannot touch them.

Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack, but will be attacked after the 7 years period which Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world at the battle of Armageddon.

When the world takes the mark of the beast which will be a device under the skin that will have information about them including finances for no person can buy or sell without the mark, and will be a tracking device to try to cut down on crime.

Then the fulness of the Gentiles will have come in and Israel as a nation will be in the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior, which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord.

 

[BroTan]

Daniel 9:26-27 is bothering me, i see satan the prince destroying the rebuilt city and sanctuary after JESUS is cut off. ...but the next verse ...why are we assuming it is talking about satan? JESUS stopped the Covenant that included sacrifice and oblation because He fulfilled it in the midst of a week. Would it mean the guess of 7 years of tribulation is wrong?

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.​

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27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.​

Why are we so convinced we know what "A Time, Times, and Half a Time" means?

Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:14​

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel 7:25,Daniel 12:7,Revelation 12:14&version=KJV

It could be trial time, harder trial time, halved trial time by GOD'S Mercy.


there is a sea of lukewarm waiting for some dumb mark to be offered to them to convince them to get Right with GOD ...but the mark is probably already here.


Philippians 3:14
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

//missing the mark (sin) is missing the high calling of GOD'S Plan.

//so the mark of the beast is to follow satan's plan.

Five times the bible set the time of the great tribulation at 3 1/2 years which also is the time of the reign of the beast and the false prophet:1 in Daniel 7:25;...time and times and the dividing of time. 2 Daniel 12:7 "times, times, and an half." 3 Revelation 11:2...and the holy city shall they tread under foot for forty and two months. 4 Revelation 11:3...and they (two witnesses), shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days (1260 days), and 5 Revelation 13:5 "power was given unto him to continue forty and two month (3 1/2 years)."

How long is 42 months?

 

[SaltwaterGirl]

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

In verse 26, we see that Jesus was rejected and crucified.

”and the people of the prince” (note the lowercase p = the Antichrist who will cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease because people will be deceived and will worship him (Antichrist).

Verse 27 is the 70th week (the hour of temptation) “and he“ (again lowercase = the antichrist/Satan)