(Other than what is described in the passage itself that defines the 42 month period.)
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I think that my position on this is that I am going to keep hope in a pre-tribulation and / or a pre-wrath / mid-trib rapture and if it becomes evident at any point that the events of the GT have begun to take place on the earth, I will change my point of view.
I am assuming that the 'im' and 'ho' mean the same as 'imho' - In My Honest Opinion.
What does the 'pa' stand for - Personal Absolute ???
The man of sin is said to be able to perform miracles. Many believe he will claim to be Christ. What if he can fake a very believable rapture etc? He does come before Jesus does. If a person claiming to be God and can perform miracles tells you he is Jesus and says he is come to rapture you before the tribulation, how can you possibly make the right choice and refuse? The pretrib doctrine sets people up to fail this.
First Seal: It the start of killing to take peace from the earth and also the start of war.
In the rapture of the church, we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. As He comes down, we go up; and meet Him halfway.
I don't see how the Antichrist will ever be able to deceive anyone into thinking that he is Jesus and that he is going to rapture us. He can't be Jesus in the rapture if he is on the earth.
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So someone tells you
WHEN YOU SEE this happen RUN!
And you think to yourself. Well that happened last week. so he must be talking about that??
God forbid you would not be looking for it to happen. and when it does. Your not going to run because your not going to be repaired.
In Daniel 9, the AOD occurs AFTER the messiah is cut off. in the middle of the 70th week.
So in both cases. Your mistaken my friend. Please reread the text.
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Mind if I ask. I used to think this also but I can;t remember why. any of the seals, or trumpets or bowls happen before the AOD. since the first 3.5 years are a time of peace. and the actual tribulation events are after the AOD.
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I am sorry, but can you explain this?
The man of sin would not even be revealed then. He is not revealed until he commits the AOD spoken of by Daniel. It is then that he shows his power. after the false prophet comes beside him
The first three and a half years he is just one of thirteen kings. who will stand up and devour three kings, in which time he will rule this new roman empire of ten kings. as he unites all of their financial, military, and population into a new great super power
which if we look, If Europe would combine today. They would be the number one superpower surpoassing the united states and possibly even China, Although China I believe would still win in number (they have a million man army which is hard to surpass)
He can still do the same thing, descend down and rapture people upwards or perhaps he can give false memories that a rapture happened.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders
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Thayer Definition:
1) a prodigy, portent
2) miracle: performed by any one
Part of Speech: noun neuter
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
Citing in TDNT: 8:113, 1170
Lying wonders is the same as deceiving miracles.
What better way to fool Christians than to imitate what is going to do but do it before Christ does. A false and deceiving miracle of a pretrib rapture would be perfect because a huge amount of Christians are pretrib. How exactly do you think the Apostasy happens? That's Christians leaving Christ for someone else.
There is no first 3.5 years. The entire period is only 3.5 years or better said, 42 months. There is no peaceful period in it either. It starts with war against Christians and some are killed 3.5 days before it ends so violence and murder entire time.
I already explained it fully. man of sin can perform miracles to deceive and I believe he will imitate Christ, his coming and the rapture etc. He will do it when he first appears and that will cause Apostasy and then all will be marked with rest of world. Only some Christians will refuse all of this.
When Jesus comes back in the rapture, He is taking us home to be with Him. We will not be on the earth any more.
And, I think that if I find myself in heaven, I am not going to worry about any such nonsense that the Antichrist is ruling in heaven.
Depends on what you mean by "tribulation." What are we talking about that will be triggered?