The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

[Absolutely]

Who was gathered and drowned in the Great Flood?

Who was gathered first into the ark?
The wicked?

 

[Absolutely]

If the wicked were not gathered first, how did the wicked survive???

You think lot was gathered after the wicked?

 

[FreeGrace2]

walknlight said:
Hi!

Cant have the marriage supper until after the Great Tribulation, all His included.
God Bless!

Jesus placed it in heaven. So it has to be during the gt

Nope. The clear language of Rev 19 shows what is about to take place; that is, the marriage supper. Everyone is ready. Then, everyone accompanies Christ to earth FOR the wedding. Which will occur immediately AFTER Jesus ends the battle of Armageddon

 

[DavidTree]

Now , in your mind, lot was delivered after sodom destroyed?

Psssssst...you also need noah delivered post flood.

That is how far off you take reframing the bible

Pure nonsense

These men were delivered from God's wrath - i have always said this

We who are in Christ are not under the wrath of God

 

[Absolutely]

Who was gathered and drowned in the Great Flood?

Who was gathered first PREFLOOD?
YOU HAVE NO CASE WHATSOEVER

 

[FreeGrace2]

Postribs have a huge quandry with all the pretrib verses.

Quite the opposite. Pretrib rapturists have NO VERSES showing Jesus taking resurrected and raptured believers to heaven.

iow, batting zero.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You ignoring the pretrib rapture verses does not mean they are not there

There are NO VERSES that show Jesus taking resurrected and raptured believers to heaven. Zero.

 

[Absolutely]

These men were delivered from God's wrath - i have always said this

We who are in Christ are not under the wrath of God

Neither was delivered post judgement.

Again
YOU HAVE ZERO STANDING

 

[Absolutely]

SO EASY TO JUST READ MY BIBLE AND MAKE YOU GO AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD

 

[DavidTree]

You think lot was gathered after the wicked?

‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”

Your argument is not with me - these are the words of Christ

 

[Absolutely]

ewq1938 said:
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

What is this talking about?

And also note that "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" is in the epistle's context of the Second Advent. So that's when the gathering will occur.

Just for clarity, none of the "rapture verses" include any mention of Jesus taking resurrected/raptured belivers to heaven.

The reason is because none will be. When Jesus returns to earth, those still alive will be "changed in the twinkling of an eye" in the clouds and then stay with Jesus as He sets up His kingdom ON the earth.

That means that those who will be "changed in the clouds" won't ever enter the 3rd heaven.

...and yet Jesus placed the wedding supper in heaven twice.

 

[DavidTree]

Neither was delivered post judgement.

Again
YOU HAVE ZERO STANDING

Post Judgement is Post wrath

i never said we suffer God's wrath - it is the pre-tribbers who say that - you just did

 

[DavidTree]

...and yet Jesus placed the wedding supper in heaven twice.

How are you going to understand if you reject what God did say?

Pre-trib is never mentioned in the Bible - those words never came out from the Mouth of God

Believe what HE did say - Not what HE did not say.

Remind yourself of What GOD did say to Adam & Eve - then look at what the serpent said to Eve.

Who are you going to belive.

 

[Absolutely]

‘No,’ he said, ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat into my barn.’ ”

Your argument is not with me - these are the words of Christ

How does that change lot as prejudgent?

Psssst...you NEED lot and noah delivered AFTER JUDGEMENT

THAT " WICKED ARE ALWAYS GATHERED FIRST" IS A DEAD HORSE YOU ARE WHIPPING

IT IS YET ANOTHER ITEM I AM MAKING YOU REFUTE GODS WORD

 

[Absolutely]

Post Judgement is Post wrath

i never said we suffer God's wrath - it is the pre-tribbers who say that - you just did

OH
OK

So now you agree that we have lot and noah as examples of a pretrib gathering!

Look what it took for you to admit it

 

[DavidTree]

You think lot was gathered after the wicked?

I never said that - but should read the conversation Abraham had with God before God sent His angels to S & G to rescue Lot.

The wicked were gathered for destruction before the angels were sent there - just something to ponder.

Why are you focused on "who gets gathered first"

You should be focussed on the First Resurrection which is in Revelation ch20

 

[DavidTree]

I guess you never realized the ac comes for a job. THAT JOB IS TO KILL BELIEVERS.

MY BIBLE( NOT YOURS) says ALL TAKE THE MARK.

So even your fancifull notions of beleivers running from cave to cave does not at all fit reality.

My bible says "HE OVERCOMES THE SAINTS"

IT EVEN SAYS POWER IS GIVEN HIM( TO OVERCOME THE SAINTS)

ALL ON EARTH TAKE THE MARK.
YOU AGAIN...HAVE NO STANDING

Not all on earth take the Mark - read Revelation again more slowly and carefully, from start to finish.

 

[Absolutely]

Not all on earth take the Mark - read Revelation again more slowly and carefully, from start to finish.

Here is the bible and yes read it slowly
Revelation 13:16
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen

Exactly like the pretrib rapture.

It COULD be an example. yes..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They came out of the gt.
They had robes that needed washing
They are martyrs....millions of them.

Nothing can hide those facts

Nope

The GT had not even started yet

again, the first seal had not even been opened