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Revelation 11:1-13 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
We frame up this selection from Revelation with the measuring of the temple, or the naos, of God. And we should know by now that this is the people of God, not a building. So, this is an account of the temple, God’s dwelling place. And notice that the Courts are not measured, so only the Holy Place (the people who worship there) and the alter. This refers to the administrators of the current order of priesthood: the Priesthood of Melchizedek. What emerges out of the measuring of it is a codification of its maturity and ability to represent the Lord. It is depicted as two witnesses. We should look closely at the characteristics of these two witnesses.
God always sends two witnesses: He sent the disciples out two by two; He speaks of the water and the word as bearing witness. But what is the emergent witness? What witness emerges out of the measurement of the House of God? In other words, as He measures the House of God, it is judged to be perfect because God Himself has built the house. What has God built? Instead of thinking about two humans, one should see that, in the manner of God sending a reliable testimony, the reference is to two witnesses. What, then, are the characteristics that would identify these two witnesses as representing the level of maturity that has been attained? The question before us is “Is this is a man in the image and likeness of God?”
Jesus is the type of this. And He Himself said that His witness or His testimony was both what He said and what the Father who sent Him said. Father who sent Him bore witness of Him being the sent One. Now, at the baptism of Jesus in the river Jordan, there was actually the appearing of the divine witnesses: the Spirit and the Father. The Spirit descended on Him in the form of a dove; the Father testified as to who He was. Jesus referred back to that whenever He was challenged or questioned by the Jews, and principally the religious leaders of the Jews, at the time. He would say, “I have no need for your affirmation of Me, because the One who has sent Me has testified concerning Me. The works I do and the words I speak, they are not My own. It is the Father living in Me who is doing His work.” His point was, “If you do not believe what I actually say, at least believe Me for the works that I do, because the works I do testify as to who I am.”
That summarizes the nature of the two witnesses. It is important for us then to understand who the two witnesses are. And they appear in duplicate, two and two: there are two olive trees and two lampstands. The repeating function of the two testifying is for the purpose of authenticating that word. The Scriptures even say, “Where two agree on a matter, it shall be so.” When He talks about two agreeing, He is speaking about two independently confirming the matter to be so.
If your agreement is with the Holy Spirit, and that independent of each other (not the practice of finding a believer to pray with you about something you want), then those are the confirming words that are worth something. As the temple is being measured, the Gentiles will be rampaging at the same time.
“But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth” (Revelation 11:2-3 NKJV).
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
We frame up this selection from Revelation with the measuring of the temple, or the naos, of God. And we should know by now that this is the people of God, not a building. So, this is an account of the temple, God’s dwelling place. And notice that the Courts are not measured, so only the Holy Place (the people who worship there) and the alter. This refers to the administrators of the current order of priesthood: the Priesthood of Melchizedek. What emerges out of the measuring of it is a codification of its maturity and ability to represent the Lord. It is depicted as two witnesses. We should look closely at the characteristics of these two witnesses.
God always sends two witnesses: He sent the disciples out two by two; He speaks of the water and the word as bearing witness. But what is the emergent witness? What witness emerges out of the measurement of the House of God? In other words, as He measures the House of God, it is judged to be perfect because God Himself has built the house. What has God built? Instead of thinking about two humans, one should see that, in the manner of God sending a reliable testimony, the reference is to two witnesses. What, then, are the characteristics that would identify these two witnesses as representing the level of maturity that has been attained? The question before us is “Is this is a man in the image and likeness of God?”
Jesus is the type of this. And He Himself said that His witness or His testimony was both what He said and what the Father who sent Him said. Father who sent Him bore witness of Him being the sent One. Now, at the baptism of Jesus in the river Jordan, there was actually the appearing of the divine witnesses: the Spirit and the Father. The Spirit descended on Him in the form of a dove; the Father testified as to who He was. Jesus referred back to that whenever He was challenged or questioned by the Jews, and principally the religious leaders of the Jews, at the time. He would say, “I have no need for your affirmation of Me, because the One who has sent Me has testified concerning Me. The works I do and the words I speak, they are not My own. It is the Father living in Me who is doing His work.” His point was, “If you do not believe what I actually say, at least believe Me for the works that I do, because the works I do testify as to who I am.”
That summarizes the nature of the two witnesses. It is important for us then to understand who the two witnesses are. And they appear in duplicate, two and two: there are two olive trees and two lampstands. The repeating function of the two testifying is for the purpose of authenticating that word. The Scriptures even say, “Where two agree on a matter, it shall be so.” When He talks about two agreeing, He is speaking about two independently confirming the matter to be so.
If your agreement is with the Holy Spirit, and that independent of each other (not the practice of finding a believer to pray with you about something you want), then those are the confirming words that are worth something. As the temple is being measured, the Gentiles will be rampaging at the same time.
“But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth” (Revelation 11:2-3 NKJV).
They will trample and tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. So, while Jesus lived on the earth and represented the Father, and the word and acts of the Father, the unbelievers made the temple into a den of thieves and were like the Gentiles. Even though the temple had been given to the Jews, they were no better than the Gentiles, which is, in this connotation and in this context, heathen or unbelieving.
At the same time God says, “I will empower My two witnesses,” (for the same period of time) “and they will prophesy.” Which is, they will authentically represent Christ. This measured and judged people of God will exhibit two characteristics for the same period that the false church, the unbelievers in the temple courts, the unbelievers in proximity to the real House of God, in that time there will be this conflict:
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner (Revelation 11:4-5).
It is significant to note that fire will come out of their mouths. What normally comes out of a person’s mouth? Words. So, the words of God that will come out from the two witnesses will be that which scorches the earth. In short, it will represent a return to the uncompromising truth that God had been working on and developing throughout the ages. The reason it is described as two witnesses and words coming out of their mouths is it is the picture of the incarnate, where the heavenly dwells within the natural, and when it comes out, it has the effect of the heavenly in the natural. It devours their enemies, e.g. there is nothing the enemies can say to assuage the truth spoken by these witnesses.
The two witnesses, then, are typified by two olive trees. And by the way, they will prophesy and witness in sackcloth. That tells us something of the substance of their prophesying. When did the prophets of old prophesy in sackcloth? Is sackcloth and ashes the appropriate attire for a feast or a time of celebration? No. It is when the picture was one of how dire and extreme the departure from God had become among the people. It is the last-ditch effort to appeal to the people to come out of their aberrant ways. That is when sackcloth is the appropriate attire, and you also put ashes on your head. It is a visual picture of a beggarly people whose house is on fire, and things are dire and desperate.
If the naos of God, if the House of God, having been judged and authenticated, has a word for the Gentiles, for the unbelievers among them, that word is the strictest word of repentance related to the fact that you have run out of time. God is about to conclude the age, to summarize everything, and this is the last call to those who are occupying the place of the Gentiles, occupying the position associated with unbelief but in proximity to the people of God. So, this is a message of a last call!
What, then, are the characteristics of the two olive trees and the two lamp stands? Zechariah, chapter 4, the prophet Zechariah is speaking,
Now the angel who talked with me came back and wakened me, as a man who is wakened out of his sleep. And he said to me, “What do you see?”
So I said, “I am looking, and there is a lampstand of solid gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven pipes to the seven lamps. Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left.” So I answered and spoke to the angel who talked with me, saying, “What are these, my lord?”
Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?”
And I said, “No, my lord.”
So he answered and said to me:
“This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the Lord of hosts.
‘Who are you, O great mountain?
Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone
With shouts of “Grace, grace to it!” ’ ” Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying:
“The hands of Zerubbabel
Have laid the foundation of this temple; His hands shall also finish it.
Then you will know
That the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. For who has despised the day of small things? For these seven rejoice to see
The plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. They are the eyes of the Lord,
Which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth.”
Then I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees—at the right of the lampstand and at its left?” And I further answered and said to him, “What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?”
Then he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.”
So he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth
(Zechariah 4:1-14 NKJV).
At the same time God says, “I will empower My two witnesses,” (for the same period of time) “and they will prophesy.” Which is, they will authentically represent Christ. This measured and judged people of God will exhibit two characteristics for the same period that the false church, the unbelievers in the temple courts, the unbelievers in proximity to the real House of God, in that time there will be this conflict:
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner (Revelation 11:4-5).
It is significant to note that fire will come out of their mouths. What normally comes out of a person’s mouth? Words. So, the words of God that will come out from the two witnesses will be that which scorches the earth. In short, it will represent a return to the uncompromising truth that God had been working on and developing throughout the ages. The reason it is described as two witnesses and words coming out of their mouths is it is the picture of the incarnate, where the heavenly dwells within the natural, and when it comes out, it has the effect of the heavenly in the natural. It devours their enemies, e.g. there is nothing the enemies can say to assuage the truth spoken by these witnesses.
The two witnesses, then, are typified by two olive trees. And by the way, they will prophesy and witness in sackcloth. That tells us something of the substance of their prophesying. When did the prophets of old prophesy in sackcloth? Is sackcloth and ashes the appropriate attire for a feast or a time of celebration? No. It is when the picture was one of how dire and extreme the departure from God had become among the people. It is the last-ditch effort to appeal to the people to come out of their aberrant ways. That is when sackcloth is the appropriate attire, and you also put ashes on your head. It is a visual picture of a beggarly people whose house is on fire, and things are dire and desperate.
If the naos of God, if the House of God, having been judged and authenticated, has a word for the Gentiles, for the unbelievers among them, that word is the strictest word of repentance related to the fact that you have run out of time. God is about to conclude the age, to summarize everything, and this is the last call to those who are occupying the place of the Gentiles, occupying the position associated with unbelief but in proximity to the people of God. So, this is a message of a last call!
What, then, are the characteristics of the two olive trees and the two lamp stands? Zechariah, chapter 4, the prophet Zechariah is speaking,
Now the angel who talked with me came back and wakened me, as a man who is wakened out of his sleep. And he said to me, “What do you see?”
So I said, “I am looking, and there is a lampstand of solid gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven pipes to the seven lamps. Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left.” So I answered and spoke to the angel who talked with me, saying, “What are these, my lord?”
Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?”
And I said, “No, my lord.”
So he answered and said to me:
“This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the Lord of hosts.
‘Who are you, O great mountain?
Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone
With shouts of “Grace, grace to it!” ’ ” Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying:
“The hands of Zerubbabel
Have laid the foundation of this temple; His hands shall also finish it.
Then you will know
That the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. For who has despised the day of small things? For these seven rejoice to see
The plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. They are the eyes of the Lord,
Which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth.”
Then I answered and said to him, “What are these two olive trees—at the right of the lampstand and at its left?” And I further answered and said to him, “What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?”
Then he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.”
So he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth
(Zechariah 4:1-14 NKJV).
Now, go over to chapter 6 verse 9. of Zechariah, this is about the witnesses.
Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: “Receive the gift from the captives—from Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, who have come from Babylon—and go the same day and enter the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah. Take the silver and gold, make an elaborate crown, and set it on the head of Joshua (the Old Testament name of Jesus, by the way) the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. Then speak to him, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, saying:
“Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH! (which is the term for “rod”)
From His place He shall branch out,
And He shall build the temple of the Lord;
Yes, He shall build the temple of the Lord. (Two references, by the way; the same thing twice. “He shall build the temple of the Lord. Yes, He shall build the temple of the Lord,” this is “verily, verily.”)
He shall bear the glory,
And shall sit and rule on His throne;
So He shall be a priest on His throne, (Zechariah 6:9-13b NKJV)
So what is this referring to? A royal priesthood. If you are sitting on a throne, you are a king; but if you are sitting on the throne as a priest, you are a royal priesthood. Well, that goes perfectly with making a crown of silver and gold and giving it to the priest whose name is “Jesus”. If you made a crown of gold, you would give it to the king, and that would have been Zerubbabel. But the crown of silver and gold was given to the son of the high priest.
“Now the elaborate crown shall be for a memorial in the temple of the Lord for Helem, Tobijah, Jedaiah, and Hen the son of Zephaniah. Even those from afar shall come and build the temple of the Lord. Then you shall know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. And this shall come to pass if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God” (Zechariah 6:14-15 NKJV).
That is the spirit of the two witnesses: the kingly priesthood, those who rule on behalf of the Lord but rule as the elohim of God, the magistrates of God, because what they do and what they say will be underwritten by the power of God. And note, they have come to establish and build upon the cornerstone that was returned to its place, upon which the temple was built in the days of the replaced temple.
My point is that in the heart of the restoration of Israel out of Babylonian captivity, the prophecy and the symbolic reference to the two witnesses and the crown of silver and gold is about restoring the royal priesthood of the order of Melchizedek. So, the testimony of the two, the two olive trees and the two lampstands, is about the light and about the anointing. They are about those who carry the Spirit of God and whose words come forth by the Spirit of God and bring light. “For Your word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.” The Spirit of God always hovers over the surface of the waters. So, there is always a relationship between the authentic word of God, the incarnate word of God, and those who are led by the Spirit of God.
I do not see two individuals here. I see the witness of the king and the priest, because that can only come about in the restored temple of the Lord which glorifies Yehoshua, or Joshua, in the Old Testament, who is Christ in the New Testament. It is that the two witnesses represent the perfect incarnation, in a body of people, of the Lord Jesus Christ, the High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. This is about Jesus as the witness, but we are not minor priests under the high priest; we are the body of the High Priest. We are not minor kings under the King of kings; we are the body of the King.
The world will have to deal with us, the same as they had to deal with Christ. That is why the parallels between Christ and His ministry for forty-two months, opposed by unbelievers among the Jews, and us, the naos of God, certified to measure up to the Rod that came out of the stump of Jesse, approved as the naos of God, approved as those under the altar of God, approved as divine worshipers, coming forth at the time when the House of God is tread upon by Gentiles, by unbelievers in the House of God. It is the beginning of the separation that forces the disclosure of the harlot in chapter 17. This is the beginning of that process.
The essence of what is in the two witnesses is that they operate from the authority of God’s throne with the anointing of the Holy Spirit, so they are kings and priests. That is the final witness. When that measure comes, there is nowhere for the unrighteous, and the unbelieving, and the lawless to hide, whether in the church or in the temple grounds or in the world. We will see the beast, then, rising up out of the abyss, because now he can no longer operate behind the mask of false brethren and empty religion.
Peace,
Aaron56
Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: “Receive the gift from the captives—from Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, who have come from Babylon—and go the same day and enter the house of Josiah the son of Zephaniah. Take the silver and gold, make an elaborate crown, and set it on the head of Joshua (the Old Testament name of Jesus, by the way) the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. Then speak to him, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, saying:
“Behold, the Man whose name is the BRANCH! (which is the term for “rod”)
From His place He shall branch out,
And He shall build the temple of the Lord;
Yes, He shall build the temple of the Lord. (Two references, by the way; the same thing twice. “He shall build the temple of the Lord. Yes, He shall build the temple of the Lord,” this is “verily, verily.”)
He shall bear the glory,
And shall sit and rule on His throne;
So He shall be a priest on His throne, (Zechariah 6:9-13b NKJV)
So what is this referring to? A royal priesthood. If you are sitting on a throne, you are a king; but if you are sitting on the throne as a priest, you are a royal priesthood. Well, that goes perfectly with making a crown of silver and gold and giving it to the priest whose name is “Jesus”. If you made a crown of gold, you would give it to the king, and that would have been Zerubbabel. But the crown of silver and gold was given to the son of the high priest.
“Now the elaborate crown shall be for a memorial in the temple of the Lord for Helem, Tobijah, Jedaiah, and Hen the son of Zephaniah. Even those from afar shall come and build the temple of the Lord. Then you shall know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. And this shall come to pass if you diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God” (Zechariah 6:14-15 NKJV).
That is the spirit of the two witnesses: the kingly priesthood, those who rule on behalf of the Lord but rule as the elohim of God, the magistrates of God, because what they do and what they say will be underwritten by the power of God. And note, they have come to establish and build upon the cornerstone that was returned to its place, upon which the temple was built in the days of the replaced temple.
My point is that in the heart of the restoration of Israel out of Babylonian captivity, the prophecy and the symbolic reference to the two witnesses and the crown of silver and gold is about restoring the royal priesthood of the order of Melchizedek. So, the testimony of the two, the two olive trees and the two lampstands, is about the light and about the anointing. They are about those who carry the Spirit of God and whose words come forth by the Spirit of God and bring light. “For Your word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.” The Spirit of God always hovers over the surface of the waters. So, there is always a relationship between the authentic word of God, the incarnate word of God, and those who are led by the Spirit of God.
I do not see two individuals here. I see the witness of the king and the priest, because that can only come about in the restored temple of the Lord which glorifies Yehoshua, or Joshua, in the Old Testament, who is Christ in the New Testament. It is that the two witnesses represent the perfect incarnation, in a body of people, of the Lord Jesus Christ, the High Priest in the order of Melchizedek. This is about Jesus as the witness, but we are not minor priests under the high priest; we are the body of the High Priest. We are not minor kings under the King of kings; we are the body of the King.
The world will have to deal with us, the same as they had to deal with Christ. That is why the parallels between Christ and His ministry for forty-two months, opposed by unbelievers among the Jews, and us, the naos of God, certified to measure up to the Rod that came out of the stump of Jesse, approved as the naos of God, approved as those under the altar of God, approved as divine worshipers, coming forth at the time when the House of God is tread upon by Gentiles, by unbelievers in the House of God. It is the beginning of the separation that forces the disclosure of the harlot in chapter 17. This is the beginning of that process.
The essence of what is in the two witnesses is that they operate from the authority of God’s throne with the anointing of the Holy Spirit, so they are kings and priests. That is the final witness. When that measure comes, there is nowhere for the unrighteous, and the unbelieving, and the lawless to hide, whether in the church or in the temple grounds or in the world. We will see the beast, then, rising up out of the abyss, because now he can no longer operate behind the mask of false brethren and empty religion.
Peace,
Aaron56
ok I agree with what you have explained here BUT, you haven't said, I AM curious who you think they are (two witnesses)
who is the royal priesthood.....and the body of Christ? how are they represented to us so we may recognise them?
Recognize them? You will want to be part of them. They are those who are led by the Spirit of God and who have been matured enough to handle the affairs of the Kingdom of God.
Sorry not really sure what I'm doing on this thing, one push to many........anyway...what you have describe a'lot of Christians will claim to be....(.they) represents more than one, but there are only two witnesses, and there more than two Christians...?
One witness: the character of the King, authority
One witness: the administration of the priesthood, power
This witness will be seen within the mature in Christ: authority and power that aligns with the character of Christ. Many will claim to be part of the Body, but, by this time, it will be clear who they really are.
yes but how did/does someone get the "character of the King" or "administration of the priesthood"
I'm assuming your implying that anyone who portrays those characteristics are THE two witnesses,,but as I said there are more than two Christians.
Right. It's not a literal "2 people". The whole Body of Christ will show these characteristics in the final days.
Believers grow and mature to become the huios, or mature sons of God.
That's not even from right book! That has nothing to do the two witnesses that the bible says have 1260 days. You are taking something completely unrelated from a different book and forcing it unnaturally into Revelation. That's called Eisegesis.
And none of that comes from the bible. This is what the bible says:
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
What your saying is essentially correct, but needs elaboration.....How we get those characteristics is through the word, and the word is given to us through the Bible....you cannot one day wake up and say you have them in you....you had to be told or found some writings that spoke of a man from Galilee....then you would pursue that information and so begins your life with Christ.
the OLD testament tells us "In the beginning GOD"...the NEW testament tells us Rev 22v v 20 last paragraph (if you don't include the blessing) ."He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so come, Lord Jesus".
In-between those two lines lay all the witnessing of GOD and Jesus... AS WE KNOW IT....
The OLD and the NEW testaments taught us ALL everything we know about GOD & Jesus, and how to become like them.
It was they that led us to have the character of the King and gave us the administration's of priesthood....
Around 538 ad the Catholic Church removed all Bibles from public use and display, (trying to kill the word of GOD,) only they could interpret the Bible.....that lasted till 1798....if anyone had bothered to check all this out I would have allies.....
Over 50 million people died...most killed by the CRUSADER's who were the strong arm of Papal Rome (Catholic Church)
the word of GOD was trodden under foot, by the very people who claim to uphold them. (sound familiar)
I could go on and there is so much more, but it's best if I let you all go find a way to prove me wrong, and in so doing, we will become like minded in Christ as expected of us....
good luck on your research.....also this WILL lead to the discovery of the anti-Christ and WILL open your mind to how truly great and awesome our Father in heaven and our saviour Jesus Christ really are....GODbless.
S
SaltwaterGirl
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@ewq1938
So what do you make of this 1,290 days which is longer (not shorter) than 1260 days? Well, if one takes the "daily sacrifice" in this verse to refer to the time of Christ's crucifixion, and uses 33 AD as the date of the crucifixion unto the "setting up" of the abomination, which would be the planting of the fig in 1948, and then divides the number of those years by the 1290 days of vs. 11, that would give one a ratio to determine the length of one of Daniel's days, e.g. (1948-33)/1290 = 1.484. In other words, one of Daniel's prophetic days would be 1.484 of our days. Then by understanding when the sanctuary was cleansed the last time in the book of Joshua (1434 BC) and adding to it the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14 multiplied by the 1.484, one would arrive in the "season" of the fig tree generation at the year 1981. One could also take the 1335 days in the next verse and multiply it by the same 1.484 factor and arrive at the year 1981. This may seem a little complex to some, but it does serve to confirm the season.
The point to remember, however, is that we are not given to know the precise moment when the longsuffering of our Father (2 Pet. 3:9) has ended and he sends the king of Babylon at the sound of the 6th Trump.
That is why Jesus Christ said we are to watch, as in "When you see the abomination of desolation..." and later "When you see these things come to pass..." then we know we are near and then we know what instructions He has given us to follow through with at those times.
Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
So what do you make of this 1,290 days which is longer (not shorter) than 1260 days? Well, if one takes the "daily sacrifice" in this verse to refer to the time of Christ's crucifixion, and uses 33 AD as the date of the crucifixion unto the "setting up" of the abomination, which would be the planting of the fig in 1948, and then divides the number of those years by the 1290 days of vs. 11, that would give one a ratio to determine the length of one of Daniel's days, e.g. (1948-33)/1290 = 1.484. In other words, one of Daniel's prophetic days would be 1.484 of our days. Then by understanding when the sanctuary was cleansed the last time in the book of Joshua (1434 BC) and adding to it the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14 multiplied by the 1.484, one would arrive in the "season" of the fig tree generation at the year 1981. One could also take the 1335 days in the next verse and multiply it by the same 1.484 factor and arrive at the year 1981. This may seem a little complex to some, but it does serve to confirm the season.
The point to remember, however, is that we are not given to know the precise moment when the longsuffering of our Father (2 Pet. 3:9) has ended and he sends the king of Babylon at the sound of the 6th Trump.
That is why Jesus Christ said we are to watch, as in "When you see the abomination of desolation..." and later "When you see these things come to pass..." then we know we are near and then we know what instructions He has given us to follow through with at those times.
It still has NOTHING to do with how long the two witnesses have. Daniel was never even shown the two witnesses. He doesn't write a single word about them.
S
SaltwaterGirl
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The book of Daniel is the Apocalypse of the Old Testament and a sister book to the Apocalypse of the New Testament, the book of Revelation.
Jesus Christ told us in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 when He sat upon the Mount of Olives and gave His disciples the seven seals concerning the knowledge and the events that would transpire during the final generation of the fig tree, that the book of Daniel was where one could go read and gain understanding concerning the abomination of desolation, that abominable desolator (antichrist) who would come stand in the holy place claiming to be God.
Have you studied the book of Daniel, ewq?
Revelations expands on the whole Bible, not just Daniel...but prophetically....but yes both the OLD & the NEW are witnesses to everything that ever happened with GOD & JESUS
THEY have been prophesying since MOSES wrote in the OLD.....still to this day since Mathew wrote in the NEW.
WE have all come to witness GOD & JESUS through them ?
THEY have been prophesying since MOSES wrote in the OLD.....still to this day since Mathew wrote in the NEW.
WE have all come to witness GOD & JESUS through them ?