The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

[rayzor]

Again, this statement "the rapture is secret" never came from the Mouth of God - never.
This is from the mouths of men who are not submitted unto God on this subject.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ"

The Judgment of our Lord on pre-trib is here now - today. Choose wisely

Here it is:
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22: 18-19

DavidTree He means not even [jesus = god] knows the day of his return .That's what he's saying when he says the raptures secret.

 

[DavidTree]

The Father...the rapture is a secret, unseen by those on the earth. The second coming is seen by the whole earth.

You said "the rapture is a secret, unseen by those on the earth."

Do you realize how completely false this statement is?
Who told you this? It is a outright lie and comes from the spirit of error.

Did the our Lord ever say this? Did the Apostles? NEVER - not once

 

[DavidTree]

Why do you claim a truth and then quote scripture that has nothing to do with the topic.

Are you saying we are in the JSOC right now? Do you not take the verses I posted seriously? It is not some metaphor, but a real judgment that will take place.

Read it again, i never said JSOC - i said that the Judgment of our Lord on pre-trib is here now - today = in His Word.
Here in His Word - Deut 4:1-2, Proverbs 30: 5-6 Revelation 22: 18-19

 

[John146]

Read it again, i never said JSOC - i said that the Judgment of our Lord on pre-trib is here now - today = in His Word.
Here in His Word - Deut 4:1-2, Proverbs 30: 5-6 Revelation 22: 18-19

Can you answer the question concerning the JSOC.

 

[DavidTree]

DavidTree He means not even [jesus = god] knows the day of his return .That's what he's saying when he says the raptures secret.

Thank You - i also clearly stated that only the Father knows the day and our of His Second Coming.

 

[John146]

You said "the rapture is a secret, unseen by those on the earth."

Do you realize how completely false this statement is?
Who told you this? It is a outright lie and comes from the spirit of error.

Did the our Lord ever say this? Did the Apostles? NEVER - not once

The rapture of the church was a mystery until revealed by Paul. The Lord never spoke of a rapture of the body of Christ. He spoke of the gathering up of the Jews.

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 

[DavidTree]

Can you answer the question concerning the JSOC.

First things First - No JSOC until His Coming.

There is no secret rapture - this is a lie

Every eye shall see Him coming in the clouds with Glory - Matt 24 and Acts 1

No one but the Father knows the day and hour He sends forth the Son, with the Holy Angels and the dead in Christ.

There is only His Second Coming in which HE brings with HIM the dead in HIM so that HE can Resurrect there bodies into GLORIFIED Ones.
AFTER that those Saints who remain and are alive will be raptured. - 1 Thess 4: 13-18

This is PURE Undefiled TRUTH from the Mouth of God.

 

[DavidTree]

The rapture of the church was a mystery until revealed by Paul. The Lord never spoke of a rapture of the body of Christ. He spoke of the gathering up of the Jews.

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Who tells you these lies = "The Lord never spoke of a rapture of the body of Christ. He spoke of the gathering up of the Jews."

Matthew 24 the Bride asked the Groom when He is returning for them.

 

[John146]

Who tells you these lies = "The Lord never spoke of a rapture of the body of Christ. He spoke of the gathering up of the Jews."

Matthew 24 the Bride asked the Groom when He is returning for them.

Matthew 24 is 200% Jewish, no Christian present.

 

[DavidTree]

The rapture of the church was a mystery until revealed by Paul. The Lord never spoke of a rapture of the body of Christ. He spoke of the gathering up of the Jews.

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Paul did not say the His Second Coming was a mystery - Read again and do not add it it or take away from it.

He said the Mystery is the Transformation (changed) of our earthly bodies fro corruption to INCORRUPTION.

 

[DavidTree]

Matthew 24 is 200% Jewish, no Christian present.

You are 200% deceived.

No Christians present - Oy Vey x 100

One Gospel to the Jew first and also to the Gentile - the Disciples were Jewish Christians ( following the CHRIST)

Oy Vey - Oy Vey - OY VEY

 

[DavidTree]

Matthew 24 is 200% Jewish, no Christian present.

Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”

Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do

 

[John146]

Paul did not say the His Second Coming was a mystery - Read again and do not add it it or take away from it.

He said the Mystery is the Transformation (changed) of our earthly bodies fro corruption to INCORRUPTION.

1 Corinthians 15 lines up with 1 Thessalonians 4. It is no longer a mystery.

 

[John146]

You are 200% deceived.

No Christians present - Oy Vey x 100

One Gospel to the Jew first and also to the Gentile - the Disciples were Jewish Christians ( following the CHRIST)

Oy Vey - Oy Vey - OY VEY

What must one believe to be born again? Answer, the d,b,r of Jesus Christ for sins.

 

[rayzor]

You are 200% deceived.

No Christians present - Oy Vey x 100

One Gospel to the Jew first and also to the Gentile - the Disciples were Jewish Christians ( following the CHRIST)

Oy Vey - Oy Vey - OY VEY

Oy vey (Yiddish: אױ װײ‎) is a Yiddish phrase expressing dismay or exasperation. Also spelled oy vay, oy veh, or oi vey, and often abbreviated to oy, the expression may be translated as, "oh, woe!" or "woe is me!" Its Hebrew equivalent is oy vavoy (אוי ואבוי‎, ój vavój).

 

[DavidTree]

1 Corinthians 15 lines up with 1 Thessalonians 4. It is no longer a mystery.

I Corinthians is the mystery of TRANSFORMATION of corruption to INCORRUPTION

1 Thess 4 is specifically the Coming of Christ and bringing with Him the Saints who died and are in Heaven so that He can resurrect their bodies.
The resurrection precedes (BEFORE) the rapture

Both are speaking of the same event - the Resurrection at His Coming

 

[DavidTree]

What must one believe to be born again? Answer, the d,b,r of Jesus Christ for sins.

Are you saying that the only begotten Son of God was not the Savior until He died, buried and rose from the dead?

 

[rayzor]

I Corinthians is the mystery of TRANSFORMATION of corruption to INCORRUPTION

1 Thess 4 is specifically the Coming of Christ and bringing with Him the Saints who died and are in Heaven so that He can resurrect their bodies.
The resurrection precedes (BEFORE) the rapture

DavidTree no david tree it's the seperation from it's control over us

 

[John146]

I Corinthians is the mystery of TRANSFORMATION of corruption to INCORRUPTION

1 Thess 4 is specifically the Coming of Christ and bringing with Him the Saints who died and are in Heaven so that He can resurrect their bodies.
The resurrection precedes (BEFORE) the rapture

Both are speaking of the same event - the Resurrection at His Coming

Paul speaks of the redemption of our bodies throughout his writings. The mystery is when this takes place. It takes place at the resurrection when the Lord catches us up in the air.

 

[John146]

Are you saying that the only begotten Son of God was not the Savior until He died, buried and rose from the dead?

That’s when the shed blood could be applied. Not one person trusted in his d,b,r for sins before it occurred. That in itself was a mystery.