The Falling Away - pre-trib rapture or ???

[DavidTree]

Noah and his animals GATHERED into the ark PREJUDGEMENT.
The ark is a type of heaven.

The ark rose OVER A MILE INTO THE SKY (OH YEAH... just like we do in the rapture)

Then AFTER THAT TRIBULATION NOAH RETURNS TO SET UP A NEW KINGDOM.

HELLO?????

YOU HAVE NOW SEEN JESUS DEPICT THE PREJUDGEMENT RAPTURE

....and you missed it.

Pre-wrath not pre-trib

Pre-Judgment- if you mean God's wrath.
but if you are attempting to say pre-judgment is pre-trib - that is an error and not truth.
NOAH went through the Great Tribulation of His Day.

Jesus said: as in the Days of Noah - are you living in the Days of Noah? i see the wickedness abounding and heading for the Day of the Wrath of the Lamb - do you?

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

 

[Absolutely]

Yep

But that did not happen in Noahs day.

So again

Noah was saved out of tribulation

The tribulation in Noahs day was the flood.

Fact
Noah left the planet.
Fact
Noah was gathered into the ark and ark is a type of heaven....that EVENT WAS PREFLOOD.

 

[DavidTree]

WHo is having a 7 year party in heaven?

Seems to me they are in heaven in the throne room witnessing the opening of the seven seals. And praing the lamb who washed them with his blood

i have to go now and cannot respond - Peace

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

And they are now and will be doing the same right up to the Lord's Second Coming - that is when they say "let the rocks fall on us"

The prostitute is drunk on the blood of the saints. She says "I sit as a queen" "I am not a widow"
As her husband has been healed of his fatal head wound.

WHo is having a 7 year party in heaven?

Seems to me they are in heaven in the throne room witnessing the opening of the seven seals. And praing the lamb who washed them with his blood

That's the common pretrib story. They've been telling it for decades.
Church "raptured" to " the marriage supper of the lamb in heaven" returning from heaven 7 years later.

 

[Absolutely]

Pre-wrath not pre-trib

Pre-Judgment- if you mean God's wrath.
but if you are attempting to say pre-judgment is pre-trib - that is an error and not truth.
NOAH went through the Great Tribulation of His Day.

Jesus said: as in the Days of Noah - are you living in the Days of Noah? i see the wickedness abounding and heading for the Day of the Wrath of the Lamb - do you?

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

READ rev.

The planet is turned upside down from the advent of the 4 horsemen.

Now JESUS ACCOUNT OF HIS COMING;
NOAH....With life, family, and commerce as normal and peacetime

You have no standing at all

 

[walknlight]

The rapture cannot occur until the Ressurection - you have it in reverse in your mind and every scripture you look at you see rapture.

WHO IS ARGUING THIS? That is what the word says.....
man of sin revealed...Holy Spirit REMOVED FROM EARTH, Holy Spirit is in His PEOPLE, we have to Go, snatched up
Raptured then 7year GREAT Tribulation...
The church has been beaten up for over 2000yrs, THE HEAD (Christ) is coming for HIS BODY
(THE True Church...)

Because the lie of pre-trib rapture replace the words of Christ in your mind,

You portray this as, if I dont beleive your commentary it will jepordize my Salvation..?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the common pretrib story. They've been telling it for decades.
Church "raptured" to " the marriage supper of the lamb in heaven" returning from heaven 7 years later.

So who are these people in heaven. Who were washed in the bloods lamb, Who layed their crowns at his feet. and who are dressed with the robes of righteousness?

 

[Absolutely]

Pre-wrath not pre-trib

Pre-Judgment- if you mean God's wrath.
but if you are attempting to say pre-judgment is pre-trib - that is an error and not truth.
NOAH went through the Great Tribulation of His Day.

Jesus said: as in the Days of Noah - are you living in the Days of Noah? i see the wickedness abounding and heading for the Day of the Wrath of the Lamb - do you?

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

He was over a mile ABOVE IT.

JUST LIKE THE CHURCH WILL BE

 

[DavidTree]

WHO IS ARGUING THIS? That is what the word says.....
man of sin revealed...Holy Spirit REMOVED FROM EARTH, Holy Spirit is in His PEOPLE, we have to Go, snatched up
Raptured then 7year GREAT Tribulation...
The church has been beaten up for over 2000yrs, THE HEAD (Christ) is coming for HIS BODY
(THE True Church...)

You portray this as, if I dont beleive your commentary it will jepordize my Salvation..?

Love you - i really have to go now but know this the HOLY SPIRIT is ALWAYS reffered to as HE and never she.

The HOLY SPIRIT is not removed from the Saints - HE is the ONLY ONE that has been restraining satan - not the Church
Go read Rev ch 1,2,3 - in No way are they restraining satan

Got to go

 

[Absolutely]

WHO IS ARGUING THIS? That is what the word says.....
man of sin revealed...Holy Spirit REMOVED FROM EARTH, Holy Spirit is in His PEOPLE, we have to Go, snatched up
Raptured then 7year GREAT Tribulation...
The church has been beaten up for over 2000yrs, THE HEAD (Christ) is coming for HIS BODY
(THE True Church...)

You portray this as, if I dont beleive your commentary it will jepordize my Salvation..?

That is exactly what he is saying.

Anyone disagrees with him is a heretic.

And yet watch me make him go against Gods word

 

[walknlight]

i do not know about that - i follow what God did say - not what HE did NOT say
.

https://christianchat.com/bookmarks/confirm?content_type=post&content_id=4667068
YOU mentioned pre-wrath

Where did God say this?

 

[Absolutely]

The prostitute is drunk on the blood of the saints. She says "I sit as a queen" "I am not a widow"
As her husband has been healed of his fatal head wound.

That's the common pretrib story. They've been telling it for decades.
Church "raptured" to " the marriage supper of the lamb in heaven" returning from heaven 7 years later.

The bible ends with the pretrib rapture.

Only the spirit and the bride call down the groom.

The foolish virgins await the antichrist
False christ

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

So who are these people in heaven. Who were washed in the bloods lamb, Who layed their crowns at his feet. and who are dressed with the robes of righteousness?

I don't know which group you mean, The Elders, those under the alter or the multitude in white robes?
People have been dying & going to heaven for a long time. A population seen in heaven is no evidence for
the timing of the resurrection.

 

[Absolutely]

I don't know which group you mean, The Elders, those under the alter or the multitude in white robes?
People have been dying & going to heaven for a long time. A population seen in heaven is no evidence for
the timing of the resurrection.

Nope
Says they came out of the great tribulation
Had dirty robes and washed them in the blood.
They are carnal believers martyred by the ac.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know which group you mean, The Elders, those under the alter or the multitude in white robes?
People have been dying & going to heaven for a long time. A population seen in heaven is no evidence for
the timing of the resurrection.

People die and go to paradise, to away their ressurection. Their new bodies (the reason we are ressurected) and receive our rewards.

We do not receive our robes, our crowns, and our new bodies UNTIL we are resurrected.

So why are these ressurected people in the throne room if NOBODY has as of yet been resurrected?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope
Says they came out of the great tribulation
Had dirty robes and washed them in the blood.
They are carnal believers martyred by the ac.

Those are the cry's of the saints. when will you avenge our blood.

Thats not these people we are discussing here

The tribulation saints have not been resurrected yet.

 

[rayzor]

Thief on the cross did not go directly to heaven, but paradise which was Abraham's bosom in the heart of the earth.

I just wanted to correct myself it wasn't Aaron it was Joshua

 

[walknlight]

Love you - i really have to go now but know this the HOLY SPIRIT is ALWAYS reffered to as HE and never she.

WHAT?

The HOLY SPIRIT is not removed from the Saints

I know, 1 Thess 14-18

- HE is the ONLY ONE that has been restraining satan - not the Church

Again, Holy Spirit is in THOSE Who are His, Omnipresent, and He will never leave or forsake THose WHO are HIs, never has, never will.
THIS CHurch:
Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Go read Rev ch 1,2,3 - in No way are they restraining satan

Again you give satan to much credit, "....the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
This is a whole different discussion concerning the state of "The Church"

God Bless!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

i really have to go now but know this the HOLY SPIRIT is ALWAYS reffered to as HE and never she.

If your argument here ^ has to do with the passage in 2Th2 (v.7 "until out of the midst HE be come"), bear in mind the following also:

"...create in Himself into/unto ONE NEW MAN [MASCULINE]..." Eph2:15 - https://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/2-15.htm (speaking in reference to us).



[there's another reference also (with the "masculine" reference), which I won't go into in this post ]






"... sealed unto the day of redemption" Eph4:30

 

[walknlight]

Hi!

That's the common pretrib story. They've been telling it for decades.
Church "raptured" to " the marriage supper of the lamb in heaven" returning from heaven 7 years later.

Cant have the marriage supper until after the Great Tribulation, all His included.
God Bless!