What benefit has an believer to reject the vaccine againt SARS-coV-2?
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why is there an outbreak
If you fall sick and have no immunity because you arent vaccinated (for anything) then its really on you, plus the cost of all the medical care....
Not sure why some people on CC think its ok to deliberately misinform others or use scare tactics against vaccines. If the vaccine is free and availabe then take it, some vaccines actually cost quite a bit, but its too late to say you want the vaccine when youve already caught whatever it is that you could have been vaccinated against and prevented from suffering from on the first place.
why is there an outbreak
If you fall sick and have no immunity because you arent vaccinated (for anything) then its really on you, plus the cost of all the medical care....
Not sure why some people on CC think its ok to deliberately misinform others or use scare tactics against vaccines. If the vaccine is free and availabe then take it, some vaccines actually cost quite a bit, but its too late to say you want the vaccine when youve already caught whatever it is that you could have been vaccinated against and prevented from suffering from on the first place.
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Misinformation: people opposed to the Covid-19 vaccine are opposed to all vaccines.
When people come down with Covid-19 who have already received the vaccine, there's room for pause. Fully vaccinated people with The Covid-19 Delta variant breakthrough infections can also spread the virus to others.
"The delta variant was identified in India in October 2020. It gained dominance quickly after it was first reported in the U.S. in March 2021. In fact, delta has now spread so much that it has splintered into several sub variants, referred to as "delta plus." " ABC Chicago Covid-19 variants and what to know
When people come down with Covid-19 who have already received the vaccine, there's room for pause. Fully vaccinated people with The Covid-19 Delta variant breakthrough infections can also spread the virus to others.
"The delta variant was identified in India in October 2020. It gained dominance quickly after it was first reported in the U.S. in March 2021. In fact, delta has now spread so much that it has splintered into several sub variants, referred to as "delta plus." " ABC Chicago Covid-19 variants and what to know
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It’s really sad when Christians belittle and berate fellow Christians over this matter. It’s sad when Christians adopt and misuse emotionally-charged terms like “misinformation”.
Spreading misinformation is what people involved in warfare and espionage intentionally do to mislead their enemies. Asking questions, not accepting the popular media’s party line, sharing information that may later prove false, and being skeptical is NOT “spreading misinformation”.
We’re not engaged in espionage. We’re not in a war either. Some of you are immediately going to respond with “We’re in a war against covid!” If you want to characterize it that way, that’s your choice, but then consider who the real enemy is; fellow humans aren’t!
You do your part, whatever you feel is right for you, and remember that doesn’t give you the right to impose your opinion on others.
Spreading misinformation is what people involved in warfare and espionage intentionally do to mislead their enemies. Asking questions, not accepting the popular media’s party line, sharing information that may later prove false, and being skeptical is NOT “spreading misinformation”.
We’re not engaged in espionage. We’re not in a war either. Some of you are immediately going to respond with “We’re in a war against covid!” If you want to characterize it that way, that’s your choice, but then consider who the real enemy is; fellow humans aren’t!
You do your part, whatever you feel is right for you, and remember that doesn’t give you the right to impose your opinion on others.
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IMO,it is neither here nor there,it has zero effect on our souls salvation ,nor or walk with God!
It is the same as any med some of us have to take to maintain good health and quality of life.
It is a personal choice we have to make but I repeat IT DOES NOT EFFECT OUR SOUL NOR OUR SALVATION!
We all will die and we whether die we are the Lord's or whether we live we are the Lord's!
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The benefit for some will be a matter of a clear conscience and the avoidance of an identity disphoria.
1) If you feel that the available vaccines are unclean, then they are unclean to you.
2) Resistence may come in the form of opposition to what appears to be deception and other corruptions of truth. Truth and rational discourse are cornerstones of Christianity. God is not the author of confusion. Corruptions of truth should be challenged.
3) Should we not follow the law that is written in our hearts and minds? These roads may lead us to different approaches for many subjects, but ultimately our destination should be the same. And that is the spirit of love, compassion, and kindness to God, to ourselves and to our neighbours that we love as ourselves. These policies are being used to compel people to go against their sense of what is right based on their own cultures, traditions, and upbringings. At what point do we challenge aggressors? At what point do we choose to stand our ground and persevere through prosecution and hardship? We can't ignore our internal moral compass.
To partake or not to partake in an experimental vaccine? One's faith may lead them to abstain; one's faith may lead them to partake. One's faith may lead them to be indifferent.
1) If you feel that the available vaccines are unclean, then they are unclean to you.
2) Resistence may come in the form of opposition to what appears to be deception and other corruptions of truth. Truth and rational discourse are cornerstones of Christianity. God is not the author of confusion. Corruptions of truth should be challenged.
3) Should we not follow the law that is written in our hearts and minds? These roads may lead us to different approaches for many subjects, but ultimately our destination should be the same. And that is the spirit of love, compassion, and kindness to God, to ourselves and to our neighbours that we love as ourselves. These policies are being used to compel people to go against their sense of what is right based on their own cultures, traditions, and upbringings. At what point do we challenge aggressors? At what point do we choose to stand our ground and persevere through prosecution and hardship? We can't ignore our internal moral compass.
To partake or not to partake in an experimental vaccine? One's faith may lead them to abstain; one's faith may lead them to partake. One's faith may lead them to be indifferent.
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Completely false!
I don't know anyone personally, myself included, who hasn't been vaccinated against a whole array of vaccines, and also our children.
THIS is first and foremost NOT a vaccine. That isn't a debatable point. It factually doesn't meet the proscribed definition of a vaccine.
The companies themselves called it a gene therapy up until a year and a half ago.
I don't know anyone personally, myself included, who hasn't been vaccinated against a whole array of vaccines, and also our children.
THIS is first and foremost NOT a vaccine. That isn't a debatable point. It factually doesn't meet the proscribed definition of a vaccine.
The companies themselves called it a gene therapy up until a year and a half ago.
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Good points.
My statement wasn't completely false. It was relative to a thread titled to discuss the Covid-19 vaccine, as it is called, when most who research beyond the government propaganda know it is a means of altering victims genetics.
Aidan claimed those opposed to this shot are opposed to all vaccines. That's patently false.
My statement wasn't completely false. It was relative to a thread titled to discuss the Covid-19 vaccine, as it is called, when most who research beyond the government propaganda know it is a means of altering victims genetics.
Aidan claimed those opposed to this shot are opposed to all vaccines. That's patently false.
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At first I wish you will not get Covid
Second I must say you, the you bet on the wrong horse. The most people died because of the virus and not because of the vaccine.
So if you realy want live you would choose the vaccine, from the rational point of view.
Third, if the Lord is not coming before, you anyway will die.
I know people they would not listen to the gospel because Christians are to much focused to believing conspiracy theories and spreading a baseless fear about the vaccine.
I understand your fear. But as some others statet, for us believers it makes no different to be vacccined or unvaccined.
We belong in both ways to the Lord.
But maby this Pandemie makes people open for the gospel. What do we tell them?
Second I must say you, the you bet on the wrong horse. The most people died because of the virus and not because of the vaccine.
So if you realy want live you would choose the vaccine, from the rational point of view.
Third, if the Lord is not coming before, you anyway will die.
I know people they would not listen to the gospel because Christians are to much focused to believing conspiracy theories and spreading a baseless fear about the vaccine.
I understand your fear. But as some others statet, for us believers it makes no different to be vacccined or unvaccined.
We belong in both ways to the Lord.
But maby this Pandemie makes people open for the gospel. What do we tell them?
To zero in on this point, this is a statement that many have questioned based on the data, how it was collected, and how it was presented. What sources are you using to make this claim? Perhaps this is a good starting point for discussion.
Data that differentiates between age groups is better. Data is better if it specifies whether single shot or double shot (but prior to 14 days after) is counted as vaccinated or unvaccinated. The listing of comorbidities in a probabilistic model is great value too. The cost analysis of lock-down measures vs no lock-down measures as it pertains to lowered life expectancy from future economic hardship would be great too.
For the sake of crossing notes, here's a link that summarizes many observations that fuel consideration for abstaining: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/30-facts-you-need-know-covid-cribsheet
If there are good counter-points to these observations, it would have great value in the conversation
Data that differentiates between age groups is better. Data is better if it specifies whether single shot or double shot (but prior to 14 days after) is counted as vaccinated or unvaccinated. The listing of comorbidities in a probabilistic model is great value too. The cost analysis of lock-down measures vs no lock-down measures as it pertains to lowered life expectancy from future economic hardship would be great too.
For the sake of crossing notes, here's a link that summarizes many observations that fuel consideration for abstaining: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/30-facts-you-need-know-covid-cribsheet
If there are good counter-points to these observations, it would have great value in the conversation
Mostly the benefit of not being an experiment. Per the CDC, FDA licensing is a long and extensive process that takes at least 10 years. The FDA is already major sketchy and allows a ton of known toxins and carcinogens. How much LESS am I going to trust them when they break their own already iffy and underwhelming rules?
That said, anyone can do whatever they want with their own bodies. There is no salvific benefit or unbenifit, from a biblical standpoint.
That said, anyone can do whatever they want with their own bodies. There is no salvific benefit or unbenifit, from a biblical standpoint.
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People need to go with their conscience. I do not understand the hysteria around the vaccine, but if an individual thinks its wrong, then it's their call. However, it would be nice if people based their decision on facts instead of the lies and deceptions that are routinely promoted by some conspiracy theorists. Just one example. I was told off by someone who claimed that the 1918 flu pandemic was a result of a flu vaccine. Since flu vaccines were not produced until 1938, that is impossible.
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