FreeGrace2 said:
Please show at least 1 clear verse that God predestined salvation and belief.
So you demand your own speshul wording before you'll believe it?
When people repeatedly post the scriptures here and thread after thread, and that answer your first request in your post quoted above and you insist it needs to be proved again and again, I look to my Heavenly Father and give thanks.
Well, good for you. However, your claim that verses that clearly teach that salvation and belief is predestined have been repeatedly shown is PATENTLY FALSE. It doesn't matter what you claim. Your claims are false. You CANNOT provide any such verses.
So please quit making the claim. If you DID have such verses, you would have gladly quoted them again, to prove your point.
But instead, you default to your generalized claim which is false. With my claim that your claim is false, the easiest thing you could do is simply quote that "one clear verse" again to refute me.
But, did you? No, you punted. Simply made an empty claim that isn't true. So, there we are.
He said he hardens hearts that not all would understand. He said he spoke in parables his teachings as our living Christ for that same reason.
The Bible commands that believers NOT judge others, but here you are, doing exactly that, by your cheap shot insinuation that God has hardened my heart and cannot understand. That is garbage. it's also an arrogant claim. As if you have understanding.
But, because you HAVEN'T quoted that "one clear verse" to refute me, but only made another EMPTY claim, proves that you DON'T have the truth.
And now, you are proof of that. Again and again.
I have given you every opportunity to prove me wrong. But all you are able to do is be snarky, and fling empty claims.
You're welcome. It's not fun to have to brace an errant believer. But it becomes necessary as in this case.
Thank God for you proving the truth of scripture that we all know is there. I, we, are doubly blessed to witness present day examples of those scriptural truths in these times.
Such sarcasm gets you nothing.
I recommend examining the context for what this verse actually means.
6 We do, however, speak
a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even
the deep things of God.
12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”But we have the mind of Christ.
So, for those interested in context, v.6 and 10 show the subject that Paul was referring to in v.14. He was speaking to believers for their spiritual growth, which is irrelevant to unbelievers who do not have the Holy Spirit. They cannot learn the truths that lead to spiritual growth, for that reason. The "deep things of God" are advanced doctrines that specifically help a believer to grow spiritually.
Things like being IN fellowship with the Lord, and being filled with the Spirit. From my several decades of experience on these forums, it is clear that not very many believers even understand these things. They have no idea what I'm talking about when I bring these doctrines up. I'm not doubting their salvation, but I am SEEING the effects of their NOT growing in grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus. iow, they have failed to grow up spiritually.
Weirdly, many believers take 1 Cor 2:14 as evidence or proof that unbelievers cannot comprehend the gospel. But that is patently false, because I've seen many articles over the years in secular magazines such as Life, Time, and Newsweek by authors who have accurately described the gospel but don't believe. This proves that unbelievers CAN and DO understand the gospel.
And this is easily supported by Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
Now, apply your Calvinistic talking points and apply them to this verse. Since God's grace HAS appeared and offers salvation to all people, it would seem everyone would have salvation. Obviously that isn't the reality.
Why would God offer salvation to all people IF IF IF your so-called "non-elect" can't understand it?