Obedient Woman
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Let's use a common example of lust to illustrate exactly what it is so that it's perfectly clear what it is.
It's dinner time, I have an option of string beans or a juicy steak. I consciously choose the juicy steak because it's a better meal than string beans, in my opinion. I'm lusting after the juicy steak because it looks better, tastes better, and smells better then the string beans. I desire the steak.
It's dinner time, I have an option of string beans or a juicy steak. I consciously choose the juicy steak because it's a better meal than string beans, in my opinion. I'm lusting after the juicy steak because it looks better, tastes better, and smells better then the string beans. I desire the steak.
You dismiss the teaching in 1st Peter. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
When two become one what is good for one is good for the other.
Furthermore, of course children should obey their parents. And respect them. That is one of the Decalogue.Parents are not a child's master! Is it that way in your house? You are the master of your children?
And Bond-servant, is a slave. One sold into bondage against their will. This is not the same as an Indentured Servant.
When two become one what is good for one is good for the other.
Furthermore, of course children should obey their parents. And respect them. That is one of the Decalogue.Parents are not a child's master! Is it that way in your house? You are the master of your children?
And Bond-servant, is a slave. One sold into bondage against their will. This is not the same as an Indentured Servant.
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Your attitude speaks volumes. You're a fraud.
Yes, we are finished. And you shall indeed answer to God. For he knows your heart. And we know your words.
Former Muslims turned Christian do not disrespect Jesus with all that applies in addressing him as a prophet, not the son of God, by using PBUH.
Jesus IS PEACE!
Yes, we are finished. And you shall indeed answer to God. For he knows your heart. And we know your words.
Former Muslims turned Christian do not disrespect Jesus with all that applies in addressing him as a prophet, not the son of God, by using PBUH.
Jesus IS PEACE!
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John 13:34-35“So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples. "
Ephesians 5:21 “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ ."
Galatians 3:28 “There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Mark 10:6-9
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’[a] 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[b] 8 and the two will become one flesh.’[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Footnotes
"Any theology that gives authority to men over women is not only unbiblical and wrong; it is a recipe for disunity, dysfunction, and destruction. Why? Because it’s not just, and human beings were made in the image of a just God. "
Source: July 11, 2016
Wives Love Your Husbands, Husbands Submit To Your Wives
by Jory Micah
Ephesians 5:21 “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ ."
Galatians 3:28 “There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Mark 10:6-9
“But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’[a] 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[b] 8 and the two will become one flesh.’[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Footnotes
- a.Mark 10:6 Gen. 1:27
- b.Mark 10:7 Some early manuscripts do not have and be united to his wife.
- c. Mark 10:8 Gen. 2:24
"Any theology that gives authority to men over women is not only unbiblical and wrong; it is a recipe for disunity, dysfunction, and destruction. Why? Because it’s not just, and human beings were made in the image of a just God. "
Source: July 11, 2016
Wives Love Your Husbands, Husbands Submit To Your Wives
by Jory Micah
1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you[a] of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
https://www.gotquestions.org/men-women-equal.html
Weaker there does not mean lesser than a man. It recognizes the physical differences between strengths. Though women who give birth will tell you, there is nothing weak about us.
It is wrong to think there is gender inequality in the scriptures. There is not a less than the man model in marriage under God.
https://www.gotquestions.org/men-women-equal.html
Weaker there does not mean lesser than a man. It recognizes the physical differences between strengths. Though women who give birth will tell you, there is nothing weak about us.
It is wrong to think there is gender inequality in the scriptures. There is not a less than the man model in marriage under God.
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And then he goes on to tell wives to submit to their husbands, children to obey their parents, etc.
The context is related to inheriting the promise. This verse isn't telling men it's okay to have sex changes and be women or to tell women to get 'gay married' as lesbians. Paul goes on to tell wives to submit to husbands. He tells the circumcised not to seek to be uncircumcised and the uncircumcised not to seek to be circumcised. He tells slaves and masters how to treat each other. You draw conclusions from Paul's statement that he does not, conclusions inconsistent with his teachings.
This two shall be one flesh is based on a quote in Genesis. And the commands for wives to submit to their husbands was given AFTER that statement in Genesis. You are imagining a contradiction between two being one flesh and wives submitting to their husbands.
Is the church supposed to submit to Christ? Does Christ love the church?
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"Any theology that gives authority to men over women is not only unbiblical and wrong; it is a recipe for disunity, dysfunction, and destruction. Why? Because it’s not just, and human beings were made in the image of a just God. "
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Teaching that teaches wives not to submit to their husbands is unjust and is a root of a lot of the disunity, dysfunction, and destruction in society. Just look what has happened to marriage and family in the past 60 years or so. You are also promoting a teaching that could deprive married couples of experiencing the mystery of Christ and the church in Ephesians 5.
Also, I do not see anyone saying men, in general, have authority over women, in general. The issue is wives submitting to their own husbands, not other people's husbands.
You should ask yourself what is more important to you, following the teachings of the Bible or your feminist ideology.
The context is related to inheriting the promise. This verse isn't telling men it's okay to have sex changes and be women or to tell women to get 'gay married' as lesbians. Paul goes on to tell wives to submit to husbands. He tells the circumcised not to seek to be uncircumcised and the uncircumcised not to seek to be circumcised. He tells slaves and masters how to treat each other. You draw conclusions from Paul's statement that he does not, conclusions inconsistent with his teachings.
This two shall be one flesh is based on a quote in Genesis. And the commands for wives to submit to their husbands was given AFTER that statement in Genesis. You are imagining a contradiction between two being one flesh and wives submitting to their husbands.
Is the church supposed to submit to Christ? Does Christ love the church?
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"Any theology that gives authority to men over women is not only unbiblical and wrong; it is a recipe for disunity, dysfunction, and destruction. Why? Because it’s not just, and human beings were made in the image of a just God. "
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Teaching that teaches wives not to submit to their husbands is unjust and is a root of a lot of the disunity, dysfunction, and destruction in society. Just look what has happened to marriage and family in the past 60 years or so. You are also promoting a teaching that could deprive married couples of experiencing the mystery of Christ and the church in Ephesians 5.
Also, I do not see anyone saying men, in general, have authority over women, in general. The issue is wives submitting to their own husbands, not other people's husbands.
You should ask yourself what is more important to you, following the teachings of the Bible or your feminist ideology.
I don't know if it's that simple.
We go shopping for a 'steak' that we desire, that does not belong to us yet, and do what we must to take possession of it. We always work toward earning things that belong to other people, so by just wanting anything we're technically coveting and lusting after various goods. Being employed is coveting money that belongs to someone else.
This same type of logic can be applied toward people as well. When a married person wants someone else who isn't their wife then they have committed adultery. At least that's how my mind understands all this.
We go shopping for a 'steak' that we desire, that does not belong to us yet, and do what we must to take possession of it. We always work toward earning things that belong to other people, so by just wanting anything we're technically coveting and lusting after various goods. Being employed is coveting money that belongs to someone else.
This same type of logic can be applied toward people as well. When a married person wants someone else who isn't their wife then they have committed adultery. At least that's how my mind understands all this.
I did not know you would have a problem with the term 'feminist' when I posted that.
But you haven't proven anything. You have tried to pit one passage of scripture against another when it is not reasonable to do so.
Submitting to authority does not make one a doormat. Are marines doormats? They have to submit to commanding officers. Do you submit to Christ? Do you think submission is evil?
But you haven't proven anything. You have tried to pit one passage of scripture against another when it is not reasonable to do so.
Submitting to authority does not make one a doormat. Are marines doormats? They have to submit to commanding officers. Do you submit to Christ? Do you think submission is evil?
I think you are overthinking it. I did have such thoughts as a young man, wondering how I could want to marry a woman without 'coveting' her, especially after reading the first part of the Shepherd of Hermas where Hermas thought a fellow-believer was beautiful and thought the man who had her as a wife would be happy, and the angel or shepherd character rebukes him for lust afterward.
But I think you are overthinking it.
This is the first example I could find that seemed reasonable of God telling Israelites to buy something
Deuteronomy 2
5 Do not contend with them, for I will not give you any of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on, because I have given Mount Seir to Esau as a possession. 6 You shall purchase food from them with money, that you may eat, and you shall also buy water from them with money, that you may drink. 7 For the Lord your God has blessed you in all the work of your hands. He knows your going through this great wilderness. These forty years the Lord your God has been with you. You have lacked nothing.”’
God also told Israelites not to covet. If He tells them to buy food, and they do, doesn't that indicate that they could buy food while being obedient to the LORD?
I also think someone who is hungry can buy food that is 'on the market' without sinning. A young man could want to marry a young woman who is available-- not someone else's wife-- without sinning.
On the other hand, one might be able to covet/lust for his neighbors wife because she is kind and cooks really tasty biscuits without even thinking of sex.
But I think you are overthinking it.
This is the first example I could find that seemed reasonable of God telling Israelites to buy something
Deuteronomy 2
5 Do not contend with them, for I will not give you any of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on, because I have given Mount Seir to Esau as a possession. 6 You shall purchase food from them with money, that you may eat, and you shall also buy water from them with money, that you may drink. 7 For the Lord your God has blessed you in all the work of your hands. He knows your going through this great wilderness. These forty years the Lord your God has been with you. You have lacked nothing.”’
God also told Israelites not to covet. If He tells them to buy food, and they do, doesn't that indicate that they could buy food while being obedient to the LORD?
I also think someone who is hungry can buy food that is 'on the market' without sinning. A young man could want to marry a young woman who is available-- not someone else's wife-- without sinning.
On the other hand, one might be able to covet/lust for his neighbors wife because she is kind and cooks really tasty biscuits without even thinking of sex.
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