The Second Coming of Christ and the First Resurrection.

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Keep reading and praying - you have a lot to learn and understand.

What is your affiliation, religion, church or other?
I am fully aware of verses that teach that we will be persecuted as the church of Jesus Christ.

However, there are also other verses, that we can pray and take a hold of, that are promises by which we can be delivered from such persecution.
 
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I am fully aware of verses that teach that we will be persecuted as the church of Jesus Christ.

However, there are also other verses, that we can pray and take a hold of, that are promises by which we can be delivered from such persecution.
So we pray alike and i pray the same over my children.

Yet this prayer supersedes them all -

Direct my footsteps according to your word; let no sin rule over me. Psalm 119:133
 

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So we pray alike and i pray the same over my children.

Yet this prayer supersedes them all -

Direct my footsteps according to your word; let no sin rule over me. Psalm 119:133
Amen, brother.

And this is a promise that we have from the Lord.

2Ti 3:12, Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
 
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The Bible is a book but the Word is the Truth and is Eternal.
Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away." Matthew 24:35

Jesus said: "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are Spirit, and they are Life."
John 6:63

When we alter Scripture to establish an error, that error becomes sin and has no life in it.

God never said that interpretation of His Word, His Second Coming, was left to our opinions.

We also have the word of the prophets as confirmed beyond doubt. And you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation.
for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1: 19-21

These Three Holy Men of God spoke accurate details of His Second Coming - the LORD, Apostle Paul & Apostle John
Believe what they said and do not add to their words or take away from them that you may have Peace.

Jesus said: I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation.
But take courage; I have overcome the world!” John 16:33
 

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Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Rev 3:10, Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

1Th 5:9, For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
 
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Luk 21:36, Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Rev 3:10, Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

1Th 5:9, For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
100% AGREE with these TRUE and FAITHFUL Words - Do not add to them - that would be BAD.

They will not find in them - pre-trib rapture - that would be a lie by adding to them what they do not say.

Believe what the LORD JESUS did say on how HE is going to KEEP you = John chapter 17

“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep[d] through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name.
Those whom You gave Me I have kept;
and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15
I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

How does God KEEP us
17Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

Jesus Prays for All Believers
20I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word
 

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He will keep us from the hour of temptation by causing us to escape all those things that are going to come upon the earth. That time (of great tribulation) will be a time of wrath (Zephaniah 1:14-15, Luke 21:23). We will be kept from that wrath when Jesus causes us to escape from it (Luke 21:36).
 

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Precious friends, we do not add {"that would be bad"} anything To Scripture,
But,
to avoid Confusion, we do Rightly Divide God's Precious Word Of Truth:

"Prophesied" {For ISRAEL and the nations} resurrections:

"sleeping shall awake" (Daniel 12:2 cp Job 19:25-27; Isaiah 26:19)

first resurrection of the just (Luke 14: 14; Revelation 20:6)

{"But the rest of the dead lived not again until
the thousand years were finished."}:

resurrection of the rest of the dead {UNjust} (Revelation 20:5)
Law (Gen - Acts 7; Heb - Rev) = Neither do we MIX with, But:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

GRACE (Acts 9 - Romans - Philemon) {Please DON'T Mix (Romans 11:6)}
"MYSTERY {kept SECRET" UNprophesied} [for individual members of
The Body Of CHRIST]:


Great GRACE Departure resurrection:
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52)

Mixing UP Law with GRACE Only Causes Truly Throughly Confusion :cry:

(2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
God's Simple Will!
 
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Yes, they all agree - Scripture cannot lie

Order of Scripture
woven throughout His Word
Clear to See if you bend the knee
not to me or to other men
but to God who Holds the Eternal Pen
Both positions can see there are many antichrists operating now as well as back then.

Proves zero.

No smoking gun for either side.

But postribs will never tell you that all refusing the mark die.

Skewed doctrine.
 
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Both positions can see there are many antichrists operating now as well as back then.

Proves zero.

No smoking gun for either side.

But postribs will never tell you that all refusing the mark die.

Skewed doctrine.
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming,
even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1.) John begins with a definitive statement: "it is the last hour"
2.) next definitive statement: "the Antichrist is coming"
3.) next definitive statement "many antichrist are here already"
4.) final definitive statement: by this we know it is the last hour


Anybody who says to you that there is a pre-trib rapture before the coming of the Antichrist promoting a LIE.

You better believe what the Apostle John said:

I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it,
and because
any lie is not of the truth.
 
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Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming,
even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1.) John begins with a definitive statement: "it is the last hour"
2.) next definitive statement: "the Antichrist is coming"
3.) next definitive statement "many antichrist are here already"
4.) final definitive statement: by this we know it is the last hour


Anybody who says to you that there is a pre-trib rapture before the coming of the Antichrist promoting a LIE.

You better believe what the Apostle John said:

I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it,
and because
any lie is not of the truth.
Both cv5 and dwm hold to and defend the " departure" ( from faith implied) as the rapture.

I can go either way.

There is ZERO there for either side to have ANY smoking gun.

It LITERRALLY SAYS DEPARTURE.
THAT IS ALL IT SAYS.

But it is infinately moot for postribs because it does not place the AC in power.

It says REVEALED.
IOW The ac is revealed and behind the start of the gt BEFORE THE GT.

So we still have a pretrib rapture no matter what.

Postrib rapture doctrine, even when they parade those weak anemic " smoking guns" .....falls on its face in light of Gods word.
 
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Both cv5 and dwm hold to and defend the " departure" ( from faith implied) as the rapture.

I can go either way.

There is ZERO there for either side to have ANY smoking gun.

It LITERRALLY SAYS DEPARTURE.
THAT IS ALL IT SAYS.

But it is infinately moot for postribs because it does not place the AC in power.

It says REVEALED.
IOW The ac is revealed and behind the start of the gt BEFORE THE GT.

So we still have a pretrib rapture no matter what.

Postrib rapture doctrine, even when they parade those weak anemic " smoking guns" .....falls on its face in light of Gods word.
It's not about knowing the bible but the power of god via relationship.God can give people insight.The bible says it's by the power of god not by words alone.
 
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It's not about knowing the bible but the power of god via relationship.God can give people insight.The bible says it's by the power of god not by words alone.
I can do both

It is not "either <> or"
 
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Both cv5 and dwm hold to and defend the " departure" ( from faith implied) as the rapture.

I can go either way.

There is ZERO there for either side to have ANY smoking gun.

It LITERRALLY SAYS DEPARTURE.
THAT IS ALL IT SAYS.

But it is infinately moot for postribs because it does not place the AC in power.

It says REVEALED.
IOW The ac is revealed and behind the start of the gt BEFORE THE GT.

So we still have a pretrib rapture no matter what.

Postrib rapture doctrine, even when they parade those weak anemic " smoking guns" .....falls on its face in light of Gods word.
Do you agree with this verse :
Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more,
that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Matt 18:15-16
 
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Do you agree with this verse :
Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more,
that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Matt 18:15-16
Nice verse
 
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i believe God put us together for His Love to be made Perfect(Complete) in Him - i really believe this

The Scripture says: "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness"

Let Us, the Holy Spirit + you + me, agree with "every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God" - AMEN
If we allow this to take place in our hearts = we are being made into the Image of God, who is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 18 The LORD says (present tense) Let every word be established in the mouths of two or three witnesses - Amen.

WITNESS #1 = Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first,
and the man of sin is revealed
, the son of perdition, 2 Thess 2

WITNESS #2 = Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be evident that they all are not of us.

You have Two Faithful Witnesses here that establish for us the TRUTH.

There is another FAITHFUL WITNESS who said the exact same words = the LORD