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What passages in Daniel, the apostles and the Lord's revelation make it impossible for the rapture to occur before Revelation 13 and 14?
In Revelation 11:15-18, it seems that it is referring to the bema seat judgment. Can the church be raptured after the bema seat judgment? it seems to me that if it is, those who are in the church will miss out on the handing out of rewards. What say you?
What passages in Daniel, the apostles and the Lord's revelation make it impossible for the rapture to occur before Revelation 13 and 14?
In Revelation 11:15-18, it seems that it is referring to the bema seat judgment. Can the church be raptured after the bema seat judgment? it seems to me that if it is, those who are in the church will miss out on the handing out of rewards. What say you?
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Let us stat in Daniel chapter 7
Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
This is what our Lord spoke in the Gospels when He referred us to Daniel the prophet - Matt 24
This is also what the Apostle Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 2: 1- 12
This is also what the Apostle John said in 1 John 2: 18-19
This is also what our Lord Jesus Christ said in Revelation 13:1-18 and Revelation chapter 20.
Daniel's vision agrees with Matt 24 agrees with 1 Thess ch4 and 2 Thess ch2 agrees with 1 John 2:18-19 agrees with Revelation.
These all AGREE and they are Harmonious for They all speak the same Word fro start to finish(Revelation).
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Satan's kingdom is not Hell and he in NO WAY wants to go there.
The Gates of Hell is eternal Judgment of God upon sin and all who practice sin = the Devil and His angels and all who follow them.
Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matt 25:41
Satan wants to remain in the heavens but he will be kicked out - Revelation 12:9
He will not be kicked out to hell but to earth.
The Gates of Hell is eternal Judgment of God upon sin and all who practice sin = the Devil and His angels and all who follow them.
Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matt 25:41
Satan wants to remain in the heavens but he will be kicked out - Revelation 12:9
He will not be kicked out to hell but to earth.
There are two deaths - physical and eternal - we, the Saints are Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb and cannot/will not suffer the wrath of God - eternal death. But we will suffer physical death - all have sinned all die - the only few who escape physical death are those who are remaining at Christ's Second Coming.
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 10:28
God has given Himself different names: Redeemer, Lord of lords, King of kings, Salvation, Immanuel, Eternal Father, Lord of Hosts, Annointed One, Mighty God, the Word, Holy Spirit, Jesus and more
God has given His Church many names: His Church, His Bride, His Elect, the Saints, Overcomers, Elect of God, Living Stones, the Temple of God, the House of God, Redeemed of the Lord, His Beloved
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 10:28
God has given Himself different names: Redeemer, Lord of lords, King of kings, Salvation, Immanuel, Eternal Father, Lord of Hosts, Annointed One, Mighty God, the Word, Holy Spirit, Jesus and more
God has given His Church many names: His Church, His Bride, His Elect, the Saints, Overcomers, Elect of God, Living Stones, the Temple of God, the House of God, Redeemed of the Lord, His Beloved
Its refreshing to see a brother fighting the real war, everyday of the rest of lifes is a war, we must fight, and everday we should stand firm in our faith as instructed, we are told do not be alarmed the enemy has declared a battle against us untill the end. Well actualy the bible says the battle against the spiritual wicked forces is until the end,, but no body translates that as the enemy has declared war against us , until the end, why is that do you know, ?,, The biggesy reason i can think of is the enemy is invisable to those who are not trained for battle in spiritual warfare,, which is really quite high.
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But if the church is going to be around during the GT, then it should be clear that the church is going to lose the war against the Antichrist.
Because the Antichrist is going to overcome the saints.
If therefore the saints at that time are the church of Jesus Christ, the gates of hell (the principle of everything that is satan's kingdom) are going to prevail against the church and that would place Jesus as being a liar.
But Jesus is no liar.
He spoke the truth when He said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church.
And, therefore, the saints of the time in question, whom the Antichrist shall overcome, are not the church.
Because the Antichrist is going to overcome the saints.
If therefore the saints at that time are the church of Jesus Christ, the gates of hell (the principle of everything that is satan's kingdom) are going to prevail against the church and that would place Jesus as being a liar.
But Jesus is no liar.
He spoke the truth when He said that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church.
And, therefore, the saints of the time in question, whom the Antichrist shall overcome, are not the church.
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He never told us to pray for a pre-trib rapture because it does not exist with God.
He did tell us to pray that we may be counted worthy to escape these things and stand before the Lord.
Our Lord Jesus Christ said : I am the Resurrection
He never said I am the pre-trib rapture - never, not once.
He did say: In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!”
I have prayed Luke 21:34-36 and continue to do so - but not for a something that does not, nor ever will exist.
The most important thing every Believer should be praying for is to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
He did tell us to pray that we may be counted worthy to escape these things and stand before the Lord.
Our Lord Jesus Christ said : I am the Resurrection
He never said I am the pre-trib rapture - never, not once.
He did say: In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!”
I have prayed Luke 21:34-36 and continue to do so - but not for a something that does not, nor ever will exist.
The most important thing every Believer should be praying for is to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
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Misapplication of Scripture brings a false conclusion and a false understanding of Scripture.
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22: 18-19
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.
Revelation 22: 18-19
Hi mate i understand completely what your saying. however mate the elect can be decieved also. im sorry mate but even the deciples of Jesus where decieved on numerous occasions. Its because the enemy has a 22 meanings to one word. and is so good at decieving. its not untill a person reaches older age do they become completly wise to all the enemies ways..
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Agreed and good point - never take anyone's word for it other then God's own words.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord,
that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The Resurrection occurs before the rapture - nothing will change this order set by God.
Now go find the Resurrection in Revelation.
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord,
that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
The Resurrection occurs before the rapture - nothing will change this order set by God.
Now go find the Resurrection in Revelation.
I have prayed to be filled with the Holy Ghost...I have even prayed that the Lord will give me an extra portion of oil so that when the call is made, I will have enough oil to last until the bridegroom comes.
However, i do believe that Jesus commands us to always pray for a pre-trib rapture and that we will be caught up in it (Luke 21:36)...and I don't think that this fact can be disputed.
However, i do believe that Jesus commands us to always pray for a pre-trib rapture and that we will be caught up in it (Luke 21:36)...and I don't think that this fact can be disputed.
There is a resurrection that takes place at the juncture of Revelation 11:15-18....because at that time the dead are judged and it is at that time that reward is given to prophets and saints. it is also at that juncture that the last trumpet that is mentioned in the book of Revelation occurs (see 1 Corinthians 15:52).