The Falling Away - Is this the rapture?

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yeah I've heard that argument from Scholars about the Strong's.But you have to start somewhere.And one should not be afraid of a mistakes.Steve Anderson the hate preacher is a good [Greek Teacher.]
 

cv5

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All the talk in the world will never change what our Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Apostles said about the "falling away".

Wish all you want - there is no pre-trib rapture anywhere in Scripture and this is why we have Scripture = to refute lies.

If you want to be a man of God you must, like everyone, obey His Word and accept clear teaching from His words.

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord,
that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Thanks for the encouraging RAPTURE VERSES buddy!
 

cv5

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It's still funny and ironic how they use a word that means Apostasy and try to errantly change it to mean rapture. Without even knowing it they want to commit Apostasy and this is exactly how the Apostasy happens! It's already here just waiting for the man sin to show up. We have a huge amount of Christians praying to take part in the Apostasia and sadly, they will have a part in it. I thank God that my eyes are open can see this terrible error.
<<<It's still funny and ironic how they use a word that means Apostasy>>>
False. A conclusion that is a product of a vivid and vain imagination, and a prejudicial prerogative.
 
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Thanks for the encouraging RAPTURE VERSES buddy!
The Lord Jesus Christ said: "I am the Resurrection" - therefore i seek after His Resurrection

Our Lord never said I am the rapture - but you depart from His Word and seek after a false pre-trib rapture.

This is why you have not received the Word in your heart as our Lord spoke in His Revelation.

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them.
Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection
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Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Revelation chapter 20: 4-6
 

ewq1938

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<<<It's still funny and ironic how they use a word that means Apostasy>>>
False. A conclusion that is a product of a vivid and vain imagination, and a prejudicial prerogative.

Nope. You are consistently wrong. Pretribs by and large think Apostasia is the rapture and want to commit Apostasia. That is some serious ignorance.
 

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Nope. You are consistently wrong. Pretribs by and large think Apostasia is the rapture and want to commit Apostasia. That is some serious ignorance.
Prove your point. What Christian in this thread or that which speaks to the great tribulation has ever stated Apostasy is the same thing as the Rapture.
 

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Nope. You are consistently wrong. Pretribs by and large think Apostasia is the rapture and want to commit Apostasia. That is some serious ignorance.
I am not going to jump thru a bunch of hoops but the long and short of it is that 2Thes 2:1-10 was written with the express purpose of CONFIRMING to the Thessalonians that they DID NOT MISS THE RAPTURE.

That is the only reason those passages exist in the first place.
 
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Prove your point. What Christian in this thread or that which speaks to the great tribulation has ever stated Apostasy is the same thing as the Rapture.
Member CV5 and member 'the divine watermark'.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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"Our gathering together unto Him" should make it crystal clear that this has nothing to do with the Second Coming of Christ. At that time the saints RETURN FROM HEAVEN having been gathered together already at the Resurrection/Rapture.

"The coming of Christ and our gathering to him"- has nothing to do with the coming of Christ.
:rolleyes: clear as mud. And mildy amusing.

We are waiting for the second coming next. Jesus in glory.

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
(Titus 2:13 KJV)


When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
(Col 3:4 KJV)
 

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I am not going to jump thru a bunch of hoops but the long and short of it is that 2Thes 2:1-10 was written with the express purpose of CONFIRMING to the Thessalonians that they DID NOT MISS THE RAPTURE.
It's also about them not missing second coming and found in verses 1 and 2. The rapture is mentioned once in verse 1.
 

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Prove your point. What Christian in this thread or that which speaks to the great tribulation has ever stated Apostasy is the same thing as the Rapture.
TDW is saying it. I know him from another forum and have debated this with him for years.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Prove your point. What Christian in this thread or that which speaks to the great tribulation has ever stated Apostasy is the same thing as the Rapture.
There are about 3 members who are quite aggressive about it.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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TDW: [quoting]"A Treatise on the Grammar of New Testament: Regarded as a Sure Basis" by George Benedikt Winer (pgs 24-25):
"d) Many words which had long been in use received a new form or pronunciation by which the older was in most cases superceded: as [...] apostasia (apostasis, Lob. p. 528), [...]"
[found on pgs 24-25]
-- https://books.google.com/books?id=i7kC8UOe-4cC&pg=PA24&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=true
FRAUD ALERT!!!! FRAUD ALERT!!!! FRAUD ALERT!!!! FRAUD ALERT!!!! FRAUD ALERT!!!! FRAUD ALERT!!!!
This is also false. apostasia (apostasis, Lob. p. 528) does not appear with the words "Many words which had long been in use received a new form or pronunciation by which the older was in most cases superceded:"

This is a deceptive post. BEWARE.

PROVE your statement, or retract it

...(only for the sake of the readers).



As I do NOT find your statement to be FACTUAL at all.

Your statement is UNTRUE.




Prove otherwise, if you believe you're expressing a true fact.




ewq: This is also false. apostasia (apostasis, Lob. p. 528) does not appear with the words "Many words which had long been in use received a new form or pronunciation by which the older was in most cases superceded:"
YES , it does !

Every LISTED WORD following that statement (in that Section) GOES WITH IT! (showing on TWO PAGES, pgs 24 and 25)
 

cv5

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It's also about them not missing second coming and found in verses 1 and 2. The rapture is mentioned once in verse 1.
No. It's about them MISSING THE WRATH OF THE DOTL. The rapture is INCIDENTAL , a necessary pre-emptive act. An inevitable phenomenon fully supported by all the relevant statements of Jesus and the NT. Furthermore, the rapture is mandated by the unchanging nature of God Himself, who CANNOT PUNISH THE RIGHTEOUS WITH THE WICKED.

<<<It's also about them not missing second coming and found in verses 1>>>

Saying that a post-trib Church ON EARTH is ???somehow going to miss the second coming??? proves that your premise is absolutely absurd. That is how messed up you are as regards the CORRECT exegesis of 2Thes 2.
 

Icedaisey

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[what sources did people use as study aids BEFORE 1890, for example ;) ]
Possibly the Concordance to the Hebrew Bible of Rabbi Isaac Nathan, printed in 1524. Translated to Latin in 1556.

From that in 1632 John Buxtorf published his Concordance, Concordantia Bibliorum Ebraicae.

The first English Bible Concordance was in 1540. The Concordance of the New Testament Most Necessary to be Had, by Thomas Gybson

Just to list a few .
Concordances in history link: https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Concordance
 

ewq1938

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PROVE your statement, or retract it

I wentt o the link provided and it's a fact that apostasia is not associated with wording, "Many words which had long been in use received a new form or pronunciation by which the older was in most cases superceded:"

Anyone can click on link and see that what I said is true and your claim is false. You took that sentence and simply added on apostasia and apostasis. It's a HIGHLY misleading thing to do. If apostasia and apostasis are even in there at all, they are FAR AWAY from the quoted sentence. I read 3 pages passed the sentence and apostasia and apostasis were not there. This is a contentual fallacy where you took something not addressed and made it seem that "Many words which had long been in use received a new form or pronunciation by which the older was in most cases superceded:" was talking about them when it wasn't.
 

Icedaisey

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Member CV5 and member 'the divine watermark'.
@TheDivineWatermark , @cv5
Well, hopefully they'll see their names here and contribute their thoughts to your charge. That they equate Rapture with Apostasy.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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PROVE your statement, or retract it

...(only for the sake of the readers).



As I do NOT find your statement to be FACTUAL at all.

Your statement is UNTRUE.




Prove otherwise, if you believe you're expressing a true fact.






YES , it does !
Retract your repeated false claims about the meaning of [apostasia]
That would prove you are not a fraud.
 

ewq1938

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The rapture is INCIDENTAL , a necessary pre-emptive act.
lol, incidental and necessary are words that have opposite meanings. You can't use them both for same event.


Saying that a post-trib Church ON EARTH is ???somehow going to miss the second coming??? proves that your premise is absolutely absurd. That is how messed up you are as regards the CORRECT exegesis of 2Thes 2.
It's not my premise. The people Paul was writing to thought that. If you understood the passage properly you would already know that. Sheesh, you can't even use incidental and necessary in correct sense. You really have no idea what you are saying. You just ramble nonsense and pretend it is meaningful. Do you take any medicines that might be affecting you? If so, please talk to your doctor about your cognitive reasoning issues.