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We saved because of Gods grace and not our doing. So we cant earn the heaven with our deeds. On the other side our deeds are an expression of our faith/ our Belonging to Christ.
But, we have also to recognize that we are not able to live a sinnless life here on earth. And you find this sadly expressed also in Christian Chatrooms
So finaly it is only Gods grace who saves us.
Word of God clear says how we can recognized from the world that we are Christians: If we love each other.
how can we be saved by GOD's grace of you don't do something to receive it, you don't get it by saying you love the Lord, you can't get it by saying your a Christian, we don't receive it cause we go to church always, read the Bible repeatedly or pray insistently.
Hebrews 10:24> Let us consider one another to provoke unto LOVE and to GOOD WORK's.
 

Aidan1

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how can we be saved by GOD's grace of you don't do something to receive it, you don't get it by saying you love the Lord, you can't get it by saying your a Christian, we don't receive it cause we go to church always, read the Bible repeatedly or pray insistently.
Hebrews 10:24> Let us consider one another to provoke unto LOVE and to GOOD WORK's.
John 1,12 . It is grace. Even God Was it to open my eyes and heart for understanding of sin. He made the first step to save me. I only just received what he has given. Yes, i gave a reply. I asked Him to come into my life and forgive my sins. And still this i dont counts as my doing. Thats why it is grace.
 
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Then what sins did/are you struggling with?
the ones I have confessed to the LORD,
but I'm well aware I am a sinner, I admit it, I concede to it, but thanks to the Lord, I am overcoming it (sin),
thanks to the the teachings of Christ and the Love of the Lord, I keep (good) WORK'ing to becoming sinless, as my Father in heaven intended, as my saviour CHRIST demonstrated. as we ALL strive to be... isn't that what we are suppose to DO?
sorry CrossFit time
 

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yes we receive a new heart and new spirit, so if we are cynical before we found the Lord, we stop being cynical when we do...
if we are condescending or judgemental, angry or abusive, and coerce or manipulate, All this is meant to change when we walk with the Lord, ultimately you should STOP these behaviours
What when you dont stop this behaviours?
 
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the ones I have confessed to the LORD,
but I'm well aware I am a sinner, I admit it, I concede to it, but thanks to the Lord, I am overcoming it (sin),
thanks to the the teachings of Christ and the Love of the Lord, I keep (good) WORK'ing to becoming sinless, as my Father in heaven intended, as my saviour CHRIST demonstrated. as we ALL strive to be... isn't that what we are suppose to DO?
so how are you any different than those you condemned as non believers, who struggle with their sins?
 

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Works and law-keeping do not save us; however, we are saved unto works and law-keeping (Ezekiel 36:25-27).
 

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yes I understand what the term means, ...what I was trying to achieve is....if I was an atheist, how could all you Christians, describe your walk to me, ...if you told me all I had to do was believe in Christ, accept him into my life, and I am saved forever, I would be very skeptical, and reading how people attack each other on a Christian chat site, isn't very convincing.
yeah what your saying there about Christian behavior towards each other is written in scripture and says exactly what you are saying . When Christians go at each other it subverts those who hear and makes them see it like you just said

why would someone want to be part of a group that’s always arguing and it devolves into name calling and some behavior that seven year olds would be ashamed of so I get what you are saying because that’s why scripture says

on the other hand on a site like this there are a lot of false teachings about salvation , heresy that will deceive people who hear it . So some recognize that and disagree respectfully . There’s a difference in the subversion through biting and devouring each other because of pride or immaturity and discussing differences in belief.

I think if you have heard the saying “ too many chiefs and not enough Indians “ it sort of explains little bit. If you want to understand salvation you need to learn the gospel that Jesus Christ preached believe and follow him not just bekieve bat he exists , but believe the thkngs he taught his disciples ( Christians ) to believe and do

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we really only have one chief and it’s Jesus, there’s really only one way and it’s Jesus and his word

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if your serious about wanting to know what Christians believe don’t listen to random Christians arguing on a chat site , listen to Christ and his word when he lived on earth .

you will find the truth and eternal salvation in the books of Matthew , mark , luke and John. If you believe and hold on to what your able to learn from his word you’ll begin to understand what the term faith means
 
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according to a few on here, if you worship GOD alone, honour your mother and father, stop yourself, from murdering,committing adultery, lying or stealing, you are guilty of WORK's, which cannot save you. Come on my brother's and sister's in Christ, we are to be of one MIND, one TRUTH, and one CALLING....there is only ONE way, and we must be UNIFIED in it.
there really are people calling themselves Christian I would not identify with

the truth unifies, if it is biblical truth. one problem we see often, are remarks made by some with absolutely NO basis in truth

for example, your remark that a few people in this forum believe we can keep sinning etc?

that is a totally false assumption. brothers and sisters in Christ do not lie about each other and falsely accuse others
 
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yeah what your saying there about Christian behavior towards each other is written in scripture and says exactly what you are saying . When Christians go at each other it subverts those who hear and makes them see it like you just said

why would someone want to be part of a group that’s always arguing and it devolves into name calling and some behavior that seven year olds would be ashamed of so I get what you are saying because that’s why scripture says

on the other hand on a site like this there are a lot of false teachings about salvation , heresy that will deceive people who hear it . So some recognize that and disagree respectfully . There’s a difference in the subversion through biting and devouring each other because of pride or immaturity and discussing differences in belief.

I think if you have heard the saying “ too many chiefs and not enough Indians “ it sort of explains little bit. If you want to understand salvation you need to learn the gospel that Jesus Christ preached believe and follow him not just bekieve bat he exists , but believe the thkngs he taught his disciples ( Christians ) to believe and do

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we really only have one chief and it’s Jesus, there’s really only one way and it’s Jesus and his word

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if your serious about wanting to know what Christians believe don’t listen to random Christians arguing on a chat site , listen to Christ and his word when he lived on earth .

you will find the truth and eternal salvation in the books of Matthew , mark , luke and John. If you believe and hold on to what your able to learn from his word you’ll begin to understand what the term faith means
COULDN'T PUT IT ANY BETTER MYSELF my brother, let's ALL keep working towards GOD's salvation for us, come together in and for HIS UNDERSTANDING. GODblessusall
 

Aidan1

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it would make claiming to be a Christian, impossible.
Then it is no grace, but self righteousness!
I dont know anybody in my life who is able to live sinless. And you cant live sinless, too.
 
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so how are you any different than those you condemned as non believers, who struggle with their sins?
Who have I condemned on here, I only remember asking for clarity on what makes us a Christian and when I said I monitor my thoughts, and emotions so that I don't allow myself to commit sinful acts. YOU and SophieT, call it WORK's.
I would NOT be convinced to follow either of you to CHRIST, based on your admonishing of other brother's and sister's in here.
And if I'm not mistaken, (correct me) are we not suppose to share the word to bring others to know CHRIST, so that HE can do his good works in them, so they can be renewed in HIM, as we are.
 
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Then it is no grace, but self righteousness!
I dont know anybody in my life who is able to live sinless. And you cant live sinless, too.
nobody is sinless, that's right, but our Lord tells us we can be, there examples in the Bible for us to follow: Jesus did it as a man, Elijah Enoch did it, David did it till he fell, Moses was a sinner but later became sinless, as did Paul....we are to become like CHRIST which is.. sinless
 
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Who have I condemned on here, .
yes we receive a new heart and new spirit, so if we are cynical before we found the Lord, we stop being cynical when we do...
if we are condescending or judgemental, angry or abusive, and coerce or manipulate, All this is meant to change when we walk with the Lord, ultimately you should STOP these behaviours
All these things you mentioned are sins.

I asked once again, What makes you any better than these people if you yourself admit you still truffle with sin in your life?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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nobody is sinless, that's right, but our Lord tells us we can be, there examples in the Bible for us to follow: Jesus did it as a man, Elijah Enoch did it, David did it till he fell, Moses was a sinner but later became sinless, as did Paul....we are to become like CHRIST which is.. sinless
You can;t be sinless my friend.

You wont be until your body is glorified.

Until then, you are and will continue to be in the process of being sanctified by Christ.
 
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Positionally so as Father views me through the Blood of His Son. That's the only reason we can go to Heaven someday.
Amen,

By one offering he has PERFECTED FOREVER, those who are bing sanctified
 

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how can we be saved by GOD's grace of you don't do something to receive it, you don't get it by saying you love the Lord, you can't get it by saying your a Christian, we don't receive it cause we go to church always, read the Bible repeatedly or pray insistently.
Hebrews 10:24> Let us consider one another to provoke unto LOVE and to GOOD WORK's.
Good works are a result, not a cause, of salvation.

Ephesians
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.