How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

[CS1]

Brothers and sisters,

I doubt most who believe in the pre-trib rapture are hateful or necessarily twisting the scriptures to fit their narrative. It's a doctrine of convenience, not of malice. I've posted the clear origin of the doctrine, and showed that it was a cash-cow, so, therefore, it was supported by a large, influential denomination and became a mainstream teaching in our lifetime. If it is not clear to them who read the op it will never be clear.

The warnings are apparent from scripture regarding teaching false doctrine. However, I doubt most on here are teachers. To their benefit, God has not given them this grace (no matter how long they claim to have studied this topic), so they are not held to such a high standard.

So, simply let them go. They're not going to hear you any way. Don't waste your time with them. It's quite likely they have no idea how to be prepared for the tribulations that are to come upon the earth. For this, at best they can hope for a quick and painless death so they might be with the Lord when their bodies fail.

For those whose eyes are opened: prepare yourselves and prepare your house. God is not coming back just for anything. He is coming back for a Bride who has made herself ready. Now is the time to know the Father, the One true God, and Jesus Christ, whom He has sent; this is the Biblical definition of eternal life.

I commend you to the Lord,

Aaron56

I would agree to this point those who are teachers on CC have no authority, for CC has no Pastors or teachers yet there are Pastors and ministers and teaches on CC. I am a recognized Evangelist and Teacher from my Denomination. But it was God who qualified and called me to this Office . As many here, yet I am not an authority or have authority other than a Moderator which too is overseen by Admin.

I always recommend do not take anyone's word Please go and pray and seek the answer or what has been said is true.

You have said great truth

Thank you

 

[DavidTree]

What I am trying to illustrate is that the term "first resurrection" does not indicate a one-time event. It is a "principal, most important" resurrection.....to life. Several different groups and persons, same destination and/or result.

https://biblehub.com/greek/4413.htm

Classic adding your opinion to the word of the Lord.

The error of pre-trib is that the one deceived by it believes they can, at whim, add opinion to Scripture so long as it supports the agenda of the lie. This is rule of law set forth by the serpent in the Garden - twist just a little for the desired outcome.

There is only one First Resurrection for the Body of Christ His Bride.

You mentioned the Galilean Wedding, which i understand and is beautiful and the order in which our Lord laid out in His Word for His Bride - the Church/ His Elect/ the Saints/ and all the Redeemed of the Lord.

The Galilean Wedding follows the clear Order of Salvation in the Gospels, including:
1.) His First Coming - He is the Bridegroom and the Father calls His Bride - John 6:44
2.) We who accept His Covenant become - His Bride - We drink of the Cup of His Salvation together - We are betrothed to Him
3.) The Bridegroom gives the Gift of Love to His Bride - the Holy Spirit - John 17 Acts 1 1 Cor (Gifts of the Holy Spirit)
4.) JESUS the Bridegroom returns to His Fathers House to prepare a Place for Us - His Bride - John 14
5.) He Promises His Return for His Bride which is in the Power of the Father to decide when - Matt 24:36
6.) 1 Thessalonians 4 - The Father has set forth the day and hour which only He knows and at the sound of the Shofar(Trumpet) the Son returns for His Bride and the Dead in Christ Rise First after which we who are alive and remain are caught up to forever be with our Lord.

There is no pre-trib rapture - it is a lie - but if you want to believe and speak a lie there are consequences.

The Bridegroom the Bride and the Holy Spirit has spoken -
I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the Saints.

 

[CS1]

Classic adding your opinion to the word of the Lord.

The error of pre-trib is that the one deceived by it believes they can, at whim, add opinion to Scripture so long as it supports the agenda of the lie. This is rule of law set forth by the serpent in the Garden - twist just a little for the desired outcome.

There is only one First Resurrection for the Body of Christ His Bride.

You mentioned the Galilean Wedding, which i understand and is beautiful and the order in which our Lord laid out in His Word for His Bride - the Church/ His Elect/ the Saints/ and all the Redeemed of the Lord.

The Galilean Wedding follows the clear Order of Salvation in the Gospels, including:
1.) His First Coming - He is the Bridegroom and the Father calls His Bride - John 6:44
2.) We who accept His Covenant become - His Bride - We drink of the Cup of His Salvation together - We are betrothed to Him
3.) The Bridegroom gives the Gift of Love to His Bride - the Holy Spirit - John 17 Acts 1 1 Cor (Gifts of the Holy Spirit)
4.) JESUS the Bridegroom returns to His Fathers House to prepare a Place for Us - His Bride - John 14
5.) He Promises His Return for His Bride which is in the Power of the Father to decide when - Matt 24:36
6.) 1 Thessalonians 4 - The Father has set forth the day and hour which only He knows and at the sound of the Shofar(Trumpet) the Son returns for His Bride and the Dead in Christ Rise First after which we who are alive and remain are caught up to forever be with our Lord.

There is no pre-trib rapture - it is a lie - but if you want to believe and speak a lie there are consequences.

The Bridegroom the Bride and the Holy Spirit has spoken -
I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!

The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the Saints.

Wrong

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The Context of the Olivet Discourse starts with Verse 3 and those three questioned asked of The Lord.

Basically, when I say "their Q of Him in verse 3" that's what I've been referring to...

I believe ALL of Matthew 24 (through chpt 25--His response; except for v.2 [v.3] like I said) is covering the "far-future" events (that which FOLLOWS [sequentially] "the events surrounding 70ad"; and not "immediately following"... as they ALSO FOLLOW "our Rapture")...
...so that it is only Lk21:12-24a which is covering [RECORDING] His response regarding "the events surrounding the 70ad events" (SAME Olivet Discourse... different ASPECTS being RECORDED in different parts OF it, see).

IOW, His RESPONSE is all recorded in His Olivet Discourse, but the TIMING / SEQUENCE wordings inform us of WHAT ORDER these things will unfold...

... and then other passages connect with these (such as how "the beginning of birth PANGS [SINGULAR]" are EQUIVALENT the "SEALS" of Rev6, and Rev1:1/1:19c/4:1 just stated that these are "the things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" (not unfold over the course of some 2000 years, as the "Historicist" viewpoint has it; and not "take place immediately/soon [ADVERBS]" as the "Preterist" viewpoint expresses it. NO!)...

...and that Paul informs that "the DOTL ARRIVES" exactly like... the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" that comes upon a woman... connecting this with the FIRST ONE Jesus HIMSELF named: Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - A CERTAIN ONE ['a certain one' bringing deception ('bow' often meaning 'DECEPTION' in scripture)]" i.e. at the START of the "7 years" not at its ENDING (meaning, the DOTL's ARRIVAL), see...




Conclusion: ALL of Matthew 24:4 and following speaks of what will take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"

...(none of those things you've pointed out in your post speak of it)...

Instead, He is covering that which is concerning [what we call] "His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age and that which immediately precedes and LEADS UP to THAT (aka the 7 years preceding His RETURN to the earth, aka what we commonly call the ""70th Week / 7 years / 2520 days / Tribulation period / the "IN THE NIGHT / DARK / DARKNESS" aspect OF the entire long period known as "the DOTL" which itself goes on to INCLUDE even the entire 1000-yr MK age).

Up until the time He spoke His OLIVET Discourse (and even throughout it), He had not yet spoken anything re: "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"... it corresponds with the Subject of His FEET touching the Mount of Olives at His RETURN TO THE EARTH (FOR the earthly MK age--aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth]" aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [on the earth]" aka "the AGE [SINGULAR] to come [on the earth]" etc etc... none of which are referencing "UP IN Heaven");
It is only after that (after He spoke all that), in His UPPER ROOM Discourse, that He gave seed-doctrine touching on some of the things pertaining to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (which Paul was later tasked with unfolding, in his epistles); Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence], which is the same as the "A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]" being referenced in 2Cor11:2 (which pertains to the future "MARRIAGE" itself, which occurs UP THERE *WITH* Him, prior to His RETURN to the earth in Rev19, where thereafter "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" etc picks up the NEXT SCENE in the chronology of events [those ppl in all of those "scenes"--the passages/references I listed--NEVER LIFT OFF THE EARTH, saint or not, at that point! "RAPTURE" does not pertain to them, even the "saints," then, see...])

 

[DavidTree]

Brothers and sisters,

I doubt most who believe in the pre-trib rapture are hateful or necessarily twisting the scriptures to fit their narrative. It's a doctrine of convenience, not of malice. I've posted the clear origin of the doctrine, and showed that it was a cash-cow, so, therefore, it was supported by a large, influential denomination and became a mainstream teaching in our lifetime. If it is not clear to them who read the op it will never be clear.

The warnings are apparent from scripture regarding teaching false doctrine. However, I doubt most on here are teachers. To their benefit, God has not given them this grace (no matter how long they claim to have studied this topic), so they are not held to such a high standard.

So, simply let them go. They're not going to hear you any way. Don't waste your time with them. It's quite likely they have no idea how to be prepared for the tribulations that are to come upon the earth. For this, at best they can hope for a quick and painless death so they might be with the Lord when their bodies fail.

For those whose eyes are opened: prepare yourselves and prepare your house. God is not coming back just for anything. He is coming back for a Bride who has made herself ready. Now is the time to know the Father, the One true God, and Jesus Christ, whom He has sent; this is the Biblical definition of eternal life.

I commend you to the Lord,

Aaron56

It is much more than a doctrine of convenience and most certainly rooted in malice as the outcome it to establish a heretical authority in the Body of Christ - a heresy that divides the Body of Christ.
It demands submission to its fallacy and that it is not to be questioned - part of the deeds of the Nicolaitians which Jesus hates.
Pre-trib is a idol. Satan always attacked and weakened Israel with the lure to idolatry - same in the churches today.
This becomes abundantly clear from the hate that comes from those who cherish it when God exposes it through His Word.
It is a false worship to God as it is pleasing to the fleshly nature and became a cult leading amongst many churches and christians - as evidenced in the many many books and exhaustive preaching & teaching of it.

As the worship of Mary is to a catholic so is pre-trib to a modern day christian.

This error leads to even more error and removes the boundaries set forth by God for our protection and fellowship.

This is key strategy of the enemy - remove the safeguards and boundaries set forth by our Lord.

It is so protected by the enemy that few dare speak against it and most who know it is a falsehood just back away to keep the peace.

no lie is of the truth - 1 John 2:21

We are sanctified in Christ by His Blood and by the Truth - His word is Truth. If we speak a lie and promote it we are no longer seeking to be submitted unto God and the Love of fellowship in His Truth - we become divisive, proud and hateful towards the Holy Spirit and Truth when it is spoken out of the mouths of His Children.

Pre-trib mocks and scoffs at Scripture, at fellowship and deceives the buyer of it under a false protection.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30: 5-6

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ [EDIT to ADD to my post] So, basically @CS1 ,

--Matthew 24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 STARTS OFF with "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" (EQUIVALENT the SEALS of Rev6 as part of the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period, aka the "7 years"--this is "far-future" to when spoken); and Lk21:8-11 also DESCRIBES those "BoBPs" [SAME EVENTS];

--BUT "BEFORE ALL THOSE" BoBPs the events of "70ad" must take place FIRST (per Lk21:12!!)--but not "immediately preceding," see



[BETWEEN those is when "our Rapture" takes place, due to the SEQUENCE / CHRONOLOGY issues spelled out elsewhere... IOW, Paul's informing of WHEN our "RAPTURE [IN THE AIR]" takes place IN RELATION time-wise/sequence-wise TO "the DOTL" earthly time-period of JUDGMENTs unfolding (its ARRIVAL and unfolding upon the earth, aka what we call the "7 year Trib")]

 

[rayzor]

If i was going to say pretrib rapture i use these sciptures:
[Luke 17:34 KJV] I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
[Matthew 24:40 KJV] Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@rayzor ,

as a pre-tribber myself... I see both of those passages ^ as concerning the events surrounding His Second Coming to the earth (NOT concerning "our Rapture" ).


The ones "taken" are taken away in judgment (just as in Noah's day); the ones "left" are left to enter the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES capable of reproducing / bearing children (just as in Noah's day);

Compare this Matt24 passage with both Dan2:35c's and Gen9:1's "[actively] FILL / FILLED the [whole] earth"

 

[DavidTree]

Wrong

How so? Do you have the love of Christ to break bread in fellowship and share Scripture.

I know you shared the beautiful passage of John 14 which is part of the Galilean Wedding where he goes to prepare a place for us in His Fathers House and His Promise to come back for us - His Bride.
Because of His Promise we are not to be troubled in our hearts - He will not break His Marriage Contract with us -
He will Return for us, for He will not leave us as orphans. - John 14:18

In the world you will have tribulation - be of good cheer I have overcome the world - John 16:33

 

[rayzor]

@rayzor ,

as a pre-tribber myself... I see both of those passages ^ as concerning the events surrounding His Second Coming to the earth (NOT concerning "our Rapture" ).


The ones "taken" are taken away in judgment (just as in Noah's day); the ones "left" are left to enter the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES capable of reproducing / bearing children (just as in Noah's day);

Compare this Matt24 passage with both Dan2:35c's and Gen9:1's "[actively] FILL / FILLED the [whole] earth"

TheDivineWatermark: That is not what happened in Noahs day ok? They died.....now the book does say we die with him in baptism and raised with him in grace...and demon where without hosts for a while,,unless some dwell in the eight

 

[rayzor]

@rayzor ,

as a pre-tribber myself... I see both of those passages ^ as concerning the events surrounding His Second Coming to the earth (NOT concerning "our Rapture" ).


The ones "taken" are taken away in judgment (just as in Noah's day); the ones "left" are left to enter the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES capable of reproducing / bearing children (just as in Noah's day);

Compare this Matt24 passage with both Dan2:35c's and Gen9:1's "[actively] FILL / FILLED the [whole] earth"

TheDivineWatermark What do you mean by [our rapture?]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@rayzor , which aspect are you saying is "not what happened in Noah's day"... the flood judgment I referenced, or their (Noah and crew) still living on the earth after it, and told to "FILL the earth" ? Which are you speaking of?

(... I did not go on to tell of the OTHER ASPECTS pertaining, which had to do with PEOPLE DISREGARDING THE WORD OF GOD, VIA NOAH, and thus disregarding it, were condemned in the flood judgment when it came)





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As to your other question... I mean that "RAPTURE" pertains SOLELY TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (ALL those having come to faith "in this present age [singular]"--Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence]); it does not pertain to all other saints of all OTHER time periods (not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints)

 

[Aaron56]

It is much more than a doctrine of convenience and most certainly rooted in malice as the outcome it to establish a heretical authority in the Body of Christ - a heresy that divides the Body of Christ.
It demands submission to its fallacy and that it is not to be questioned - part of the deeds of the Nicolaitians which Jesus hates.
Pre-trib is a idol. Satan always attacked and weakened Israel with the lure to idolatry - same in the churches today.
This becomes abundantly clear from the hate that comes from those who cherish it when God exposes it through His Word.
It is a false worship to God as it is pleasing to the fleshly nature and became a cult leading amongst many churches and christians - as evidenced in the many many books and exhaustive preaching & teaching of it.

As the worship of Mary is to a catholic so is pre-trib to a modern day christian.

This error leads to even more error and removes the boundaries set forth by God for our protection and fellowship.

This is key strategy of the enemy - remove the safeguards and boundaries set forth by our Lord.

It is so protected by the enemy that few dare speak against it and most who know it is a falsehood just back away to keep the peace.

no lie is of the truth - 1 John 2:21

We are sanctified in Christ by His Blood and by the Truth - His word is Truth. If we speak a lie and promote it we are no longer seeking to be submitted unto God and the Love of fellowship in His Truth - we become divisive, proud and hateful towards the Holy Spirit and Truth when it is spoken out of the mouths of His Children.

Pre-trib mocks and scoffs at Scripture, at fellowship and deceives the buyer of it under a false protection.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30: 5-6

So let them mock and scoff. God is not Allah who needs his followers to defend his honor. Let God be God and every man be a liar. It's YOUR time they are consuming, don't be a part of the scheme. They won't hear you any way.

 

[rayzor]

@rayzor , which aspect are you saying is "not what happened in Noah's day"... the flood judgment I referenced, or their (Noah and crew) still living on the earth after it, and told to "FILL the earth" ? Which are you speaking of?

(... I did not go on to tell of the OTHER ASPECTS pertaining, which had to do with PEOPLE DISREGARDING THE WORD OF GOD, VIA NOAH, and thus disregarding it, were condemned in the flood judgment when it came)





____________

As to your other question... I mean that "RAPTURE" pertains SOLELY TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (ALL those having come to faith "in this present age [singular]"--Eph1:20-23 WHEN [as to its existence]); it does not pertain to all other saints of all OTHER time periods (not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints)

was not sure you knew only 8 lived the ones that got on the love boat = the ark,Tell they started the earth a new

 

[CS1]

How so? Do you have the love of Christ to break bread in fellowship and share Scripture.

I know you shared the beautiful passage of John 14 which is part of the Galilean Wedding where he goes to prepare a place for us in His Fathers House and His Promise to come back for us - His Bride.
Because of His Promise we are not to be troubled in our hearts - He will not break His Marriage Contract with us -
He will Return for us, for He will not leave us as orphans. - John 14:18

In the world you will have tribulation - be of good cheer I have overcome the world - John 16:33

Do you?

 

[DavidTree]

So let them mock and scoff. God is not Allah who needs his followers to defend his honor. Let God be God and every man be a liar. It's YOUR time they are consuming, don't be a part of the scheme. They won't hear you any way.

i know this, they have hardened their hearts - but some will hear and some will be encouraged and strengthened.

Noah preached for 100 years and yet only eight souls were saved.
Isaiah cried out - " Lord, who has believed our report" - yet God told him to preach and not hold back.
Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved.

To each of us He departs gifts of His Holy Spirit and burdens of the Spirit on our hearts - things that are not pleasing to Him.
It is a easy path to be accepted - just conform and agree.
But the Lord said that His words will cause separation - Peace to those who love it and animosity to those who reject it.
When the Apostles declared the Gospel it was first met with great joy until the religious leaders got wind of it, then the hostility.
By the time Acts 20 came around Paul said after he departs the church will be assaulted by religious men - wolves, false doctrines.

Right now there is call being made to His Body - a call to repentance - a call to return to the faith that was once delivered to the Saints.

The Faith is only found in Christ - in His Word - just as Martin Luther discovered in his day.

God is calling His People back to His Word and His Word alone -
Deuteronomy 4 - Hear now, O Israel, the statutes and ordinances I am teaching you to follow, so that you may live and may enter and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. You must not add to or subtract from what I command you,

Proverbs 30: 5-6
Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.

Revelation 22
I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

Thus says the LORD: “Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest?
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Isaiah 66: 1-2

 

[DavidTree]

Do you?

i continue to share the pure unaltered words of our Lord on here - without adding or taking away.

i rejoice in the scriptures you post as they are - truth -
i am grieved when they are made to say more/less then what they say.
His intent for us, is for our benefit and fellowship and peace and joy in Him and the Holy Spirit.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

ecstasy, rapture, transport, exaltation, raptusnoun Looks like in the vulgate they took poetic license
a state of being carried away by overwhelming emotion
"listening to sweet music in a perfect rapture"- Charles Dickens

Naw, man... what does "TRANSPORT" mean??

[quoting from Merriam-Webster Dictionary... notice the FIRST DEFINITION listed ]

"transport
verb
[...]

trans·port | \ tran(t)s-ˈpȯrt , ˈtran(t)s-ˌpȯrt \
transported; transporting; transports
Definition of transport
(Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1: to transfer or convey from one place to another // transporting ions across a living membrane

2: to carry away with strong and often intensely pleasant emotion"


-- Transport | Definition of Transport by Merriam-Webster


[end quoting; bold emphasis mine]

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Hello!


[exactly what it means, see!! (you're thinking only in terms of the second definition... no one else is!! lol); also, "harpazo [/caught up / snatch / rapture / rapio etc]" is a VERB]

 

[rayzor]

So let them mock and scoff. God is not Allah who needs his followers to defend his honor. Let God be God and every man be a liar. It's YOUR time they are consuming, don't be a part of the scheme. They won't hear you any way.

Let neither man or god be liar lettuce hope for the superlative. The win win

 

[CS1]

Naw, man... what does "TRANSPORT" mean??

[quoting from Merriam-Webster Dictionary... notice the FIRST DEFINITION listed ]

"transport
verb
[...]

trans·port | \ tran(t)s-ˈpȯrt , ˈtran(t)s-ˌpȯrt \
transported; transporting; transports
Definition of transport
(Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1: to transfer or convey from one place to another // transporting ions across a living membrane

2: to carry away with strong and often intensely pleasant emotion"


-- Transport | Definition of Transport by Merriam-Webster


[end quoting; bold emphasis mine]

____________



Hello!


[exactly what it means, see!! (you're thinking only in terms of the second definition... no one else is!! lol); also, "harpazo [/caught up / snatch]" is a VERB]

You 're funny I mean that in a nice way