What do you think about works?
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That’s the point when you try to Correct us you doing right but when we try to
Correct you you go off the deepend
That’s hypocrisy. This is. Discussion forum. Your not discussing your pushing and then attacking anyone who does
Not agree with you. And like another
Poster said you just attack. Not scripture
No proof. Just your word
Correct you you go off the deepend
That’s hypocrisy. This is. Discussion forum. Your not discussing your pushing and then attacking anyone who does
Not agree with you. And like another
Poster said you just attack. Not scripture
No proof. Just your word
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Paul's letter to the Ephesians says it best:
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
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Yes and amen. The operative is if we obey God's word and his directions we will be exempt from man's judgment. We can still be cursed by the law and possibly be imprisoned and or executed, until the rapture everybody will sleep after the first death. Saved or unsaved. But only God's elect will be resurected or taken away. If the President or other leader orders us to have/get abortions to reduce overpopulation and or having more fetuses to harvest. He/she orders us to round up and execute say Illegal aliens, people of color, etc. Then we are not required to comply that which violates God's Law.
Israel has been appointed evil rulers as punishment for national sins. Those who Bow or bend a knee to or take the mark of such monsters will end up in the lake of fire. If Trump would have ordered us to take to arms and prevent illegal aliens from crossing, by use of deadly force. I'd be a consiencious objector because it's against God's law.
20If anyone sacrifices to any god other than the LORD alone, he must be set apart for destruction.d
21You must not exploit or oppress a foreign resident, for you yourselves were foreigners in the land of Egypt.
22You must not mistreat any widow or orphan. 23If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to Me in distress, I will surely hear their cry. 24My anger will be kindled, and I will kill you with the sword; then your wives will become widows and your children will be fatherless. (BSB)
Same goes for child sacrifice, Idoltry, Sorcery, Astrology, Homosexuality, Adultery, etc.
I believe that blind obedience to leaders over and above respect for rank and/or office is irresponsible. I would rather go to the gallows than to intentionally kill an innocent person or cause a child to be tempted.
In short I put the Bible above the constitution.
I digress, I'm sorry. The subject is works.
"Faith and works should travel side by side, step answering to step, like the legs of men walking. First faith, and then works; and then faith again, and then works again until they can scarcely distinguish which is the one and which is the other."
-William Booth. Founder; Salvation Army
Israel has been appointed evil rulers as punishment for national sins. Those who Bow or bend a knee to or take the mark of such monsters will end up in the lake of fire. If Trump would have ordered us to take to arms and prevent illegal aliens from crossing, by use of deadly force. I'd be a consiencious objector because it's against God's law.
20If anyone sacrifices to any god other than the LORD alone, he must be set apart for destruction.d
21You must not exploit or oppress a foreign resident, for you yourselves were foreigners in the land of Egypt.
22You must not mistreat any widow or orphan. 23If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to Me in distress, I will surely hear their cry. 24My anger will be kindled, and I will kill you with the sword; then your wives will become widows and your children will be fatherless. (BSB)
Same goes for child sacrifice, Idoltry, Sorcery, Astrology, Homosexuality, Adultery, etc.
I believe that blind obedience to leaders over and above respect for rank and/or office is irresponsible. I would rather go to the gallows than to intentionally kill an innocent person or cause a child to be tempted.
In short I put the Bible above the constitution.
I digress, I'm sorry. The subject is works.
"Faith and works should travel side by side, step answering to step, like the legs of men walking. First faith, and then works; and then faith again, and then works again until they can scarcely distinguish which is the one and which is the other."
-William Booth. Founder; Salvation Army
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Once again, you have twisted another's words.
E-G didn't say anything about not being able to follow Jesus perfectly, yet that's what you clearly imply.
All differences of theology and interpretation aside, this one habit of yours makes it difficult to have a reasonable discussion with you.
E-G didn't say anything about not being able to follow Jesus perfectly, yet that's what you clearly imply.
All differences of theology and interpretation aside, this one habit of yours makes it difficult to have a reasonable discussion with you.
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"Be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect." Matthew 5:48
Basically, we are to embody the spirit of truth, be Christ like, as Christians. Which is what so many believe already.
We can't be literally perfect as Christ is because we're human living in, navigating through, the world where our adversary dwells as lord.
Just as Christ has faithful followers so to does the enemy.
The truth is as an armor from God.
Perfect =5046. teleios ►
Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
Basically, we are to embody the spirit of truth, be Christ like, as Christians. Which is what so many believe already.
We can't be literally perfect as Christ is because we're human living in, navigating through, the world where our adversary dwells as lord.
Just as Christ has faithful followers so to does the enemy.
The truth is as an armor from God.
Perfect =5046. teleios ►
Strong's Concordance
teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect
Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Definition: having reached its end, complete, perfect
Usage: perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character.
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You, who zzzzzz, in replies to Christians here will refrain from what? Zzzzzzing? Not likely.
Not accusations. Observations of ignorance and Animus directed toward God's people and the truth of his message.
And you'll refrain....next time? Since you just responded using the same rhetoric that demonstrates lack of knowledge and obstinate refusal because of the sins of pride and arrogance, to admit you also refuse to learn the truth?
No problem at all. At this point you're a trinity of ignorance and foul disdain for Christians. The personal Animus that focuses 3 fold on Blik is concentrated evil.
Blik dear, you're clearly doing something right. The hounds of darkness travel in packs and are afraid.
Not accusations. Observations of ignorance and Animus directed toward God's people and the truth of his message.
And you'll refrain....next time? Since you just responded using the same rhetoric that demonstrates lack of knowledge and obstinate refusal because of the sins of pride and arrogance, to admit you also refuse to learn the truth?
No problem at all. At this point you're a trinity of ignorance and foul disdain for Christians. The personal Animus that focuses 3 fold on Blik is concentrated evil.
Blik dear, you're clearly doing something right. The hounds of darkness travel in packs and are afraid.
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Nope the law is a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ
1 it exposes our sin against god and his perfection
2. It exposes why God can not have a relationship with us for all have sinned
3 it exposes the leans of redemption and atonement the sacrifice for f the lamb
They s should lead us as the tax collector to break down in humility noble to even look up as the schoolmaster completes its job and the law is Fulfilled in us.
After this the law has no purpose it fulfilled its job in our life. Now we look to the law of love. And allow gods love and power to grow us as we seek to love him and others.
1 it exposes our sin against god and his perfection
2. It exposes why God can not have a relationship with us for all have sinned
3 it exposes the leans of redemption and atonement the sacrifice for f the lamb
They s should lead us as the tax collector to break down in humility noble to even look up as the schoolmaster completes its job and the law is Fulfilled in us.
After this the law has no purpose it fulfilled its job in our life. Now we look to the law of love. And allow gods love and power to grow us as we seek to love him and others.
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no
we are not accountable to the law and it is not our teacher
my conviction is that all believers should familiarize themselves with the OT as it makes a foundation for the new, but we are not judged by the law if we are believers. in fact, we are no longer under condemnation
I will add that at times, this is misunderstood to mean we think we can sin with no effect, but that is not what is being said and not what anyone thinks. if someone believes that, they are deceived
the Holy Spirit is our teacher according to the NT and we are new creatures in Christ
much of the NT letters were written to correct error and one of the worst errors, was attempting to mix the law and belief in Christ
we are not accountable to the law and it is not our teacher
my conviction is that all believers should familiarize themselves with the OT as it makes a foundation for the new, but we are not judged by the law if we are believers. in fact, we are no longer under condemnation
I will add that at times, this is misunderstood to mean we think we can sin with no effect, but that is not what is being said and not what anyone thinks. if someone believes that, they are deceived
the Holy Spirit is our teacher according to the NT and we are new creatures in Christ
much of the NT letters were written to correct error and one of the worst errors, was attempting to mix the law and belief in Christ
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Paul says in Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.
(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)
(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.
How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.
(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.
And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. This law is the Ten Commandments
(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)
(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.
How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.
(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.
And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law. Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. This law is the Ten Commandments
Have you sacrificed a cow for your sin? Have you attended the temple three times in the last year? Have you sought a priest to examine a pimple and pronounce it "clean"? Have you stoned the adulterers, thieves, and idolators in your midst?
I doubt it.
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do EVERYTHING written in the Book of the Law."
You are accountable to the law? You're hooped (and yes, that's a euphemism).
I doubt it.
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do EVERYTHING written in the Book of the Law."
You are accountable to the law? You're hooped (and yes, that's a euphemism).
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pretty much. but after that, we renew our minds according to the word of God...there is nothing we can do to earn salvation and no work will get or keep us saved
God is the one who keeps us...and no one can take us out of His hand. or do you have to work to hang on to Him?
this is what happens when someone studies with preconceived ideas and goes about finding verses they think proves their point
if we are in Christ, we are no longer condemned. Jesus fulfilled all that was required to gain our salvation
and here you are, telling us that we must keep all the commandments...disregarding the fact no one has ever done that and that is the reason God sent His Son in the first place
notice I am not saying this means we can sin. no one is saying that
God is the one who keeps us...and no one can take us out of His hand. or do you have to work to hang on to Him?
this is what happens when someone studies with preconceived ideas and goes about finding verses they think proves their point
if we are in Christ, we are no longer condemned. Jesus fulfilled all that was required to gain our salvation
and here you are, telling us that we must keep all the commandments...disregarding the fact no one has ever done that and that is the reason God sent His Son in the first place
notice I am not saying this means we can sin. no one is saying that
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The christian world we living in today doesn’t seem to understand what type of works this is. It’s starts off with repentance, that’s one of the first thing Jesus says when he got started in his ministry, Jesus says in Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. When people see works in the Bible spoken by Paul and they see law, being put together, they assume that’s talking about the Royal law (Commandments). The works of the law was nail to the cross, and that works were animal sacrificial laws.
Let’s first take a look at this law that was nail to the cross that Paul explains in Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins.
Let’s first take a look at this law that was nail to the cross that Paul explains in Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins.