Why Are Women Expected to be the Gatekeepers of Virginity?
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Yes you may, it is friday, Had some beers, did you need to pivot again? Hahaha. Watched a game while interacting with you. How is it relevant to your biblical question? Seems to be more about me than your topic, and you calling God a racist for telling us to racially segregate, which is not true at all. Have you been drinking while reading the bible?
Asking a question is not assuming, another false accusation from you. She can answer for herself, I do niot do postarcheology and search up info on nicks, she gets to answer for herself. Otherwise I would be judging, and might judge her on the basis of an account for fun and not serious. Do not do that.
Thank you.
This is all I needed to know, as it explains much of what you say in your posts and why they jump around so much.
And no, I'm not a drinker, though I may have something like pasta sauce that has been cooked with wine. I also don't smoke, and have never done drugs.
Just because I have seen the pain, confusion of mind, miscommunication, and utter chaos it has brought to other people.
This is all I needed to know, as it explains much of what you say in your posts and why they jump around so much.
And no, I'm not a drinker, though I may have something like pasta sauce that has been cooked with wine. I also don't smoke, and have never done drugs.
Just because I have seen the pain, confusion of mind, miscommunication, and utter chaos it has brought to other people.
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You asked if I was drinking while I was reading the Bible.
I can assure you that you never have to worry about me drinking while doing anything.
I discovered early in life that alcohol does not agree with my system. I become violently sick, and have since read that some people with my genetic background are missing an enzyme that breaks it down.
When people offer drinks and I decline, for the sake of simplicity, I just tell them I am allergic and can't have it.
I can assure you that you never have to worry about me drinking while doing anything.
I discovered early in life that alcohol does not agree with my system. I become violently sick, and have since read that some people with my genetic background are missing an enzyme that breaks it down.
When people offer drinks and I decline, for the sake of simplicity, I just tell them I am allergic and can't have it.
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Interesting, so you pretend you got an out of jailcard from your topic, and the blasphemything, mkay. Not my issue, between you and God. And you go to drugs, confirming you are doing threadarcheology on me. Smart move if you were reported by me, Or falsely reported me. Smart to add the pain and miscommunication that it lead to, too. Which ended up in ending communication with some. Want to add more? Or elaborate on how your miscommunication to others brought chaos to others in your life? For some reason this seems to be related to my testimony only, and a prayer request, unless you add details about your own life. Weirdly unrelated with the drugthing, unless you have read my past stuff. Fun stuff.
Jeepers. Not too long ago you were asking about smoking pot, claiming you were not an addict, although drinking and drugs had caused many problems for you in the past because you flat-out refused to quit... Then you recently chose to smoke pot and are sill drinking alcohol, while being totally hung up on some weird unBiblical definition of blasphemy. Do you really need to be informed that alcohol and drugs impair your judgment? You are so out of whack right now you do not even realize it.
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Thread archeology on you? Uh, no, I was just reading threads, as I often do, and remembering what you wrote in them.
Was I not supposed to remember the things you said, or only remember certain parts of them?
As for elaborating, I dated an alcoholic for about 3 years, and wound up raising his children during that time because of it. He was also becoming abusive towards the end, which is a good part of why I left, and an even greater part as to why I've been single for a very long time. I just don't want to get into another situation like that.
And I am certainly not saying at all that anyone who struggles with alcohol is abusive or neglectful of their children. I'm just saying, that was my experience with someone who was caught in the midst of that. We all struggle with something. I've had friends who struggle with these things and I love them dearly and pray for them regularly.
Let me know when you are completely sober, and have been so for a few days, and then we can have a reasonable discussion.
I'm simply speaking from my own experience, and I realize others' might be different.
But I have never been able to reason with someone influenced by a substance, and so I won't even attempt it unless they have been sober for at least a day or two, so that they can start thinking clearly again.
And if that never happens, then it will be impossible to ever have a real conversation, and I wish you all the best on your journey.
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What drugs am I using? I did a poll if you are honest. I asked you if it mattered more to stay away from natural drugs, babystuff like weed or people who needed weed to socialize, regarding meeting my former friend and dealer. You declinded to answer. So I went there and had a chat,
Found several bits of hash in my apartment, I have them here. Had them for over a week, just laying there in a drawer, poor addict if I was. Hope you are happy trying to use this against me, but that was never the issue, the issue was rivotril, some pills that make you a complete bozo. Which was pushed on me, as you know according to your post, and made me cut that former friend from my life. Weed is just recreational, as all people know, unless they are a biblethumping old lady. Nobody is addicted to weed. Do not do drugs. Since you do threadarcheology, I do a recap for others.
Only felt addicted 3 times in my life, rivotril, which may not have been marked properly and be someting else, snorting uppers an antire weekend, and smoking crack. I wasted my life ast those times, ended it, and will not have anything to do with anybody involved at those times ever on the former level. Can meet them as humanbeings, no more than that. Not family, not friends. End of story. Smoking crack was me alone in a dark place alone, as you know if you did the archeology, not on anybody besides myself. What does it matter to this subject? What is your objective? How do I refuse to quit? Quit what? I do not use pharma. I reject drugs. Really weird that you make it personal, and do threadarcheology, and some of your info is from other sites, .
Found several bits of hash in my apartment, I have them here. Had them for over a week, just laying there in a drawer, poor addict if I was. Hope you are happy trying to use this against me, but that was never the issue, the issue was rivotril, some pills that make you a complete bozo. Which was pushed on me, as you know according to your post, and made me cut that former friend from my life. Weed is just recreational, as all people know, unless they are a biblethumping old lady. Nobody is addicted to weed. Do not do drugs. Since you do threadarcheology, I do a recap for others.
Only felt addicted 3 times in my life, rivotril, which may not have been marked properly and be someting else, snorting uppers an antire weekend, and smoking crack. I wasted my life ast those times, ended it, and will not have anything to do with anybody involved at those times ever on the former level. Can meet them as humanbeings, no more than that. Not family, not friends. End of story. Smoking crack was me alone in a dark place alone, as you know if you did the archeology, not on anybody besides myself. What does it matter to this subject? What is your objective? How do I refuse to quit? Quit what? I do not use pharma. I reject drugs. Really weird that you make it personal, and do threadarcheology, and some of your info is from other sites, .
Women assume more risk with sexual activity on multiple levels. So they were naturally more buttoned-up/guarded for eons. If you wanted to prevent out-of-wedlock births, the easiest and shortest route would be to teach women sexual virtue. They were already more likely to practice it than men anyhow.
This was taken as a biological and cultural given until the sexual revolution.
This was taken as a biological and cultural given until the sexual revolution.
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Well to attempt to get this thread back on track....
I do understand what you're talking about, and I think I can agree that while I don't know of any church that explicitly teaches that men's sexual sins are excuseable but women's are not; you do get the feeling (or at least I did in the purity era of my teen years) that it's a great moral failing for a woman to commit a sexual sin and a common and rather consequence free sin for a man to do so. No it's not Biblical but here are a few reasons for that most of which are more or less cultural.
Historically, men have been the pursuers and seen as the ones who want sex more. That kind of by default leaves the women to be the ones who give the yes or no that actually determines if the sin takes place. It's kind of assumed that the sex-crazed man will try to start something but that since he's sex crazed by the beautiful woman he really can't help himself. Culturally this was deep enough as a teen that I remember in the one film we watched in sex ed class on saying we're going to far, out of I don't know how many couples featured starting to make out in all but one it was the girl who called it off. And the one where the guy called it off had all the girls in class applauding. Whether it's true or not, the default cultural view is that men are always up for sex with just about any decent looking woman around. So I imagine that even in the church (usually led by men who have fought and often lost that fight to some extent), it's kind of assumed that men are always under siege sexually and will inevitably fall (let's not be too harsh on them, they couldn't help it) while a good Christian woman shouldn't even be interested in sex. But it definitely can lead to all kinds of crap like women thinking that if they show any hint of sexuality or desirability then they've awakened the beast in the man and are partly responsible for him pushing her boundaries.
Women also tend to be the ones who do most of the gossiping and they usually are focused on what other women (or families) are doing. So the misbehavior of the single guys probably only comes to the attention of these gossips if he's misbehaving with one of the girls in church in which case he is seen as behaving "normally" but she is seen as being a below average Christian girl. Who is going to tell the gossipy women about the misbehavior of the boys? Their mothers (never, their bad parenting would be fodder for the next round of gossip), the girls in church who probably don't know that better men exist since these are the church boys doing these things?
And of course, the potential consequences of sexual sin are much more visible for the girl than the guy. And that's where it kind of gets interesting with your Christian schools, they don't expel students on suspicion of having sex, but pregnancy is proof and only one guilty party is indisputably known ( even if she wasn't completely sober or consenting when she got pregnant). Could be similar circumstances for any single mothers, until she tells the story you don't know if she sinned, was forced, or was married but the marriage ended. I think this is getting some better as far as church attitudes, but mostly because it's getting so much worse in society it's now plenty of people in the church and not just those heathens outside the church.
I do understand what you're talking about, and I think I can agree that while I don't know of any church that explicitly teaches that men's sexual sins are excuseable but women's are not; you do get the feeling (or at least I did in the purity era of my teen years) that it's a great moral failing for a woman to commit a sexual sin and a common and rather consequence free sin for a man to do so. No it's not Biblical but here are a few reasons for that most of which are more or less cultural.
Historically, men have been the pursuers and seen as the ones who want sex more. That kind of by default leaves the women to be the ones who give the yes or no that actually determines if the sin takes place. It's kind of assumed that the sex-crazed man will try to start something but that since he's sex crazed by the beautiful woman he really can't help himself. Culturally this was deep enough as a teen that I remember in the one film we watched in sex ed class on saying we're going to far, out of I don't know how many couples featured starting to make out in all but one it was the girl who called it off. And the one where the guy called it off had all the girls in class applauding. Whether it's true or not, the default cultural view is that men are always up for sex with just about any decent looking woman around. So I imagine that even in the church (usually led by men who have fought and often lost that fight to some extent), it's kind of assumed that men are always under siege sexually and will inevitably fall (let's not be too harsh on them, they couldn't help it) while a good Christian woman shouldn't even be interested in sex. But it definitely can lead to all kinds of crap like women thinking that if they show any hint of sexuality or desirability then they've awakened the beast in the man and are partly responsible for him pushing her boundaries.
Women also tend to be the ones who do most of the gossiping and they usually are focused on what other women (or families) are doing. So the misbehavior of the single guys probably only comes to the attention of these gossips if he's misbehaving with one of the girls in church in which case he is seen as behaving "normally" but she is seen as being a below average Christian girl. Who is going to tell the gossipy women about the misbehavior of the boys? Their mothers (never, their bad parenting would be fodder for the next round of gossip), the girls in church who probably don't know that better men exist since these are the church boys doing these things?
And of course, the potential consequences of sexual sin are much more visible for the girl than the guy. And that's where it kind of gets interesting with your Christian schools, they don't expel students on suspicion of having sex, but pregnancy is proof and only one guilty party is indisputably known ( even if she wasn't completely sober or consenting when she got pregnant). Could be similar circumstances for any single mothers, until she tells the story you don't know if she sinned, was forced, or was married but the marriage ended. I think this is getting some better as far as church attitudes, but mostly because it's getting so much worse in society it's now plenty of people in the church and not just those heathens outside the church.
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I think the answer is simple. Men expect "good" women to be virgins. This is not traditionally expected of men, even "good" men.
Being a "good" woman is important because this provides her with livelihood (a home, a family, security, etc.). So it was, and still is important for many women, to be virgins.
Why do men want their women to be virgins? It comes down to ownership, so the man feels that the woman is 100 percent his. This is way too psychological for me to explain. Maybe a man can explain better.
Why are men not expected to be virgins? The Bible has examples where men have had more than one sexual partner (as wives and/or handmaids) at a time, where it was considered acceptable. However, women only had one man at a time. So, these types of examples show that men had freedom to have multiple sexual partners, however women had less freedom in that regard and are restricted to only one man. If a man was rich or powerful (Abraham, Solomon, David, etc.), it was widely accepted/assumed that he will have multiple sex partners. All these examples also show that men desire women and that one woman isn't enough. However, because of Biblical rules especially in the NT, they limit themselves to one woman.
Being a "good" woman is important because this provides her with livelihood (a home, a family, security, etc.). So it was, and still is important for many women, to be virgins.
Why do men want their women to be virgins? It comes down to ownership, so the man feels that the woman is 100 percent his. This is way too psychological for me to explain. Maybe a man can explain better.
Why are men not expected to be virgins? The Bible has examples where men have had more than one sexual partner (as wives and/or handmaids) at a time, where it was considered acceptable. However, women only had one man at a time. So, these types of examples show that men had freedom to have multiple sexual partners, however women had less freedom in that regard and are restricted to only one man. If a man was rich or powerful (Abraham, Solomon, David, etc.), it was widely accepted/assumed that he will have multiple sex partners. All these examples also show that men desire women and that one woman isn't enough. However, because of Biblical rules especially in the NT, they limit themselves to one woman.
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hmm I dont know wasnt raised in church culture!
And the churches I attended seem to put equal emphasis on boys and girls to behave themselves but I cant say for sure what was taught to adolescents.
Sorry cant help answer your question, but the Bible does say that everyone (male and female) is given the aBility to control their own body
Its only if you are married that the wife has power over her husband and the husband has power over the wife's body. That is why CONSENT is important...anything that is not is pretty much rape.
You can be tricked or seduced, or you might be the seducer. But generally humans just didnt really know how to keep from sin till Jesus came along.
The woman caught in adultery...Jesus looked at all the men with rocks in their hands and asked THEM about THEIR sin.
And the churches I attended seem to put equal emphasis on boys and girls to behave themselves but I cant say for sure what was taught to adolescents.
Sorry cant help answer your question, but the Bible does say that everyone (male and female) is given the aBility to control their own body
Its only if you are married that the wife has power over her husband and the husband has power over the wife's body. That is why CONSENT is important...anything that is not is pretty much rape.
You can be tricked or seduced, or you might be the seducer. But generally humans just didnt really know how to keep from sin till Jesus came along.
The woman caught in adultery...Jesus looked at all the men with rocks in their hands and asked THEM about THEIR sin.
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I will not give you scripture, I typed that women are caregivers and must be purer, because that is the standard society has set. What some calls a misogynistic world, and is tradcon. Like it or not, that is the world you live in. Just stating the reality you live in, do theory and discuss the utopia you want instead, but I am not really into that now.
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