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No. Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit, who is distinct from Jesus. And Holy Spirit is a proper noun and capitalized.
Nonsense. For about 1,500 the letter of the Law was to be taken literally and applied as given to Israel, upon pain of death. Of course, no one is justified by the deeds of the Law.
Nonsense. The Lord Jesus Christ came to FULFIL the Law, and He did so in His life, and in His death, burial, and resurrection. There was no revolutionary here, and Christ did not even address the issue of the Roman occupation of Palestine.
I'm not sure where you are getting your teachings from, but you need to pay attention to what is actually in Scripture.[/QUOTE]
You're as wrong as the other one.
That you don't know the identity of Jesus first, and that was your priority in the first sentence, only to launch onto a grammar issue second, after blaspheming the Spirit of Christ first, is a warning. And a lesson regarding the former observation regarding by the book people.
You're wrong.
Nonsense. For about 1,500 the letter of the Law was to be taken literally and applied as given to Israel, upon pain of death. Of course, no one is justified by the deeds of the Law.
Nonsense. The Lord Jesus Christ came to FULFIL the Law, and He did so in His life, and in His death, burial, and resurrection. There was no revolutionary here, and Christ did not even address the issue of the Roman occupation of Palestine.
I'm not sure where you are getting your teachings from, but you need to pay attention to what is actually in Scripture.[/QUOTE]
You're as wrong as the other one.
That you don't know the identity of Jesus first, and that was your priority in the first sentence, only to launch onto a grammar issue second, after blaspheming the Spirit of Christ first, is a warning. And a lesson regarding the former observation regarding by the book people.
You're wrong.
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You're as wrong as the other one.
That you don't know the identity of Jesus first, and that was your priority in the first sentence, only to launch onto a grammar issue second, after blaspheming the Spirit of Christ first, is a warning. And a lesson regarding the former observation regarding by the book people.
You're wrong.[/QUOTE]
Merely stating, "You're wrong" while presenting NOTHING WHATSOEVER in the way of supporting evidence is akin to being a clanging cymbal. The assertion is neither helpful nor informative. Either step up with evidence, or don't bother responding.
That you don't know the identity of Jesus first, and that was your priority in the first sentence, only to launch onto a grammar issue second, after blaspheming the Spirit of Christ first, is a warning. And a lesson regarding the former observation regarding by the book people.
You're wrong.[/QUOTE]
Merely stating, "You're wrong" while presenting NOTHING WHATSOEVER in the way of supporting evidence is akin to being a clanging cymbal. The assertion is neither helpful nor informative. Either step up with evidence, or don't bother responding.
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Merely stating, "You're wrong" while presenting NOTHING WHATSOEVER in the way of supporting evidence is akin to being a clanging cymbal. The assertion is neither helpful nor informative. Either step up with evidence, or don't bother responding.[/QUOTE]
Pride and arrogance.
Many here have stepped up. And you and one like you work to kick their legs out. Someone who thinks Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, yet is ignorant enough to tell those in Christ to not bother to inform others they're wrong, is precisely where God wants, so as to serve as a warning and our next lesson in this journey.
Pride and arrogance.
Many here have stepped up. And you and one like you work to kick their legs out. Someone who thinks Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, yet is ignorant enough to tell those in Christ to not bother to inform others they're wrong, is precisely where God wants, so as to serve as a warning and our next lesson in this journey.
Pride and arrogance.
Many here have stepped up. And you and one like you work to kick their legs out. Someone who thinks Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, yet is ignorant enough to tell those in Christ to not bother to inform others they're wrong, is precisely where God wants, so as to serve as a warning and our next lesson in this journey.[/QUOTE]
More blather. Provide evidence or don't bother responding. Your continual sniping is silly and unproductive.
Many here have stepped up. And you and one like you work to kick their legs out. Someone who thinks Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, yet is ignorant enough to tell those in Christ to not bother to inform others they're wrong, is precisely where God wants, so as to serve as a warning and our next lesson in this journey.[/QUOTE]
More blather. Provide evidence or don't bother responding. Your continual sniping is silly and unproductive.
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We go to scripture to learn about God, and we go to sites such as this to discuss what we learn. It tells us how others interpret scripture, it lets us learn of different ways of interpreting it. If we put a stop to "arguments" but demand that no one think about what it says but only agree with others, it stops discussion.
There is no ban put on people who disobey the Lord when he told us about not judging others, to only judge what is sin. When we are given a description of murder and told not to do that, some use this site to disobey the Lord. But there are Christians on here who discuss scripture as as Isaiah said, that is good.
There is no ban put on people who disobey the Lord when he told us about not judging others, to only judge what is sin. When we are given a description of murder and told not to do that, some use this site to disobey the Lord. But there are Christians on here who discuss scripture as as Isaiah said, that is good.
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NONSENSE and you know it
what we say, is that works do not save you
the other line was nonsense....this is straight out of the looney bin nonsense
were you there? we have a Bible for a reason. the Bible is clear that works do not save. the Bible is also clear that a transformed believer is transformed by the renewing of their mind...in other words, we AGREE with the word and we do not add to it, we do not subtract from it AND we do not falsely accuse other believers because they point this out to you over and over and over and over and over and over etc
the greatest work of the Holy Spirit is the continual transforming of our lives to become like Christ...NOT church fathers or even the disciples who walked with Christ
you want a heresy pointed out? telling people that the law given to Moses for the people freed from slavery in Egypt, is for believers saved by the blood of Christ is bumping the perimeters and some would consider it as having breached them
TRUTH for one thing. Must be important because Jesus said HE is the way, (to God) the TRUTH and the life
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especially the golden calf episode. ARE YOU KIDDING? read the OT prophets...
like I said...over and over and over and over and over zzzzzzzzzzzz
who is Jesus to you? is He the lawgiver or is He the spotless Lamb of God who died for our sins? you appear to be very confused on this issue and entrenched in that confusion so that you make up what others are saying
yet, you become incensed when others deny what you keep saying is the abandonment of all morality.
it is alarming that you appear to believe you can add to what Jesus accomplished on the cross on our behalf. it seems you wish to interject when Jesus says 'IT IS FINISHED'
you continually interrupt and say 'wait a minute Jesus...that sounds too easy....how about my attempts to keep the law?'
like I said...over and over and over and over and over zzzzzzzzzzzz
who is Jesus to you? is He the lawgiver or is He the spotless Lamb of God who died for our sins? you appear to be very confused on this issue and entrenched in that confusion so that you make up what others are saying
yet, you become incensed when others deny what you keep saying is the abandonment of all morality.
it is alarming that you appear to believe you can add to what Jesus accomplished on the cross on our behalf. it seems you wish to interject when Jesus says 'IT IS FINISHED'
you continually interrupt and say 'wait a minute Jesus...that sounds too easy....how about my attempts to keep the law?'
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Merely stating, "You're wrong" while presenting NOTHING WHATSOEVER in the way of supporting evidence is akin to being a clanging cymbal. The assertion is neither helpful nor informative. Either step up with evidence, or don't bother responding.[/QUOTE]
Pride and arrogance.
Many here have stepped up. And you and one like you work to kick their legs out. Someone who thinks Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, yet is ignorant enough to tell those in Christ to not bother to inform them they're wrong, is precisely where God wants, so as to serve as a warning and our next lesson.
You just answered your own question and proved Blik's point and mine.
Pride and arrogance.
Many here have stepped up. And you and one like you work to kick their legs out. Someone who thinks Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, yet is ignorant enough to tell those in Christ to not bother to inform them they're wrong, is precisely where God wants, so as to serve as a warning and our next lesson.
but how will we know that truth if it is above all our pay grades?
how can it stand if we do not recognize it?
how is someone commenting on it, if they do not know what 'it' is?
enquiring minds want to know
how can it stand if we do not recognize it?
how is someone commenting on it, if they do not know what 'it' is?
enquiring minds want to know
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that is not what you ask in your op
we can all read and that is not what you are on about
once again, you are accusing people who disagree with your premise on law and works of living a life devoid of following Christ. you want everyone to follow the law so that you can judge whether or not they are actually believers
judging others is not your territory. take care of the tree in your own eye
here, straight from your op is what you are really poking around in....yet again and without cessation
we can all read and that is not what you are on about
once again, you are accusing people who disagree with your premise on law and works of living a life devoid of following Christ. you want everyone to follow the law so that you can judge whether or not they are actually believers
judging others is not your territory. take care of the tree in your own eye
here, straight from your op is what you are really poking around in....yet again and without cessation
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Are gentiles allowed to listen to what God told the Hebrews because God wanted all men to belong to him, or is it a private conversation between God and Hebrews and we really shouldn't be reading and listening to those laws?
You keep repeating God spoke to the Jews. We know the gentiles had a policy at that time of not listening to God. After Christ and Paul we take that back. Are we to listen now, or do you think it was to Hebrews only then and now. I have read statements you have made that the laws of Moses where given to Hebrews only, we aren't included. Then you take that back saying that we are included in the Holy Spirit.
You keep repeating God spoke to the Jews. We know the gentiles had a policy at that time of not listening to God. After Christ and Paul we take that back. Are we to listen now, or do you think it was to Hebrews only then and now. I have read statements you have made that the laws of Moses where given to Hebrews only, we aren't included. Then you take that back saying that we are included in the Holy Spirit.