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. You know Paul ? Why did he insist on this
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
Titus 3:8 KJV
I’m pretty sure it was because of this the at Paul taught
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
Which is what Jesus the lord taught him and The others
“Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
Romans 2:6-10 KJV
it’s a pretty good idea to do what God taught us to do , and not submit that faith takes us out of that 😇
scripture is true we should start accepting that what we do matters immensely because we actually have faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17
but some scoff at what’s there because they were taught faith means never having to do anything the lord taught , so it’s understandable there’s your next nickle or dime given by Paul
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
Titus 3:8 KJV
I’m pretty sure it was because of this the at Paul taught
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
Which is what Jesus the lord taught him and The others
“Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:”
Romans 2:6-10 KJV
it’s a pretty good idea to do what God taught us to do , and not submit that faith takes us out of that 😇
scripture is true we should start accepting that what we do matters immensely because we actually have faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17
but some scoff at what’s there because they were taught faith means never having to do anything the lord taught , so it’s understandable there’s your next nickle or dime given by Paul
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Good Evening.
Paul as well as James insisted on if any "works" are done, let the works be SPIRIT led, and not of ourselves, our "good deeds" that we can boast.
If one has faith and believes God, he will DO the work of the LORD, in HIS Spirit, not in the flesh, because it is HIM doing the work through us, so the praise and glory goes to HIM.
Need Scripture?
God Bless!
Paul as well as James insisted on if any "works" are done, let the works be SPIRIT led, and not of ourselves, our "good deeds" that we can boast.
If one has faith and believes God, he will DO the work of the LORD, in HIS Spirit, not in the flesh, because it is HIM doing the work through us, so the praise and glory goes to HIM.
Need Scripture?
God Bless!
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Who’s boasting lol ?
yeah right spirit led
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
faith comes from his word . You see Paul insisted on this
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
Titus 3:8 KJV
because faith comes from what we are hearing meaning what we allow into our hearts belief . So Paul insisted that once we believe we are to constantly have the affirmation that we should be careful to do good . Thats all all he’s meaning by “ good works “ just do the right thing .
the works aren’t done unless we actually do them it’s not that we don’t have the responsibility because we’re led by the spirit. Chirches should teach every week about Christians doing good and walking in their works Christ has made us to walk in .
there is no place where we don’t do anything but the food works magically get done and credited to us . Faith is meant to change us into those who are zealous for good works who do those things from the heart but anytime someone mentions doing good works
the crowd of no works no works comes along insisting on these circular arguments it’s not complex at all if we refuse to hear the doctrine that teaches faith leads to good works done by us we aren’t ever going to change , if we allow in the truth about our works faith is going to build and lead us into those thkngs
faith can be constructed very wrongly if we reject the doctrine of we accept it we’re going to begin to have living faith that saves
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
I’m other words when people steer talking about Christians doing good and being an important part of it and then the crowd comes insisting nope that’s salvstion by works …..it’s a contrary message that deconstructs a persons faith who is actually moving into a strong and loving faith grace is good but if it teaches people no works they have never come into it it’s meant for this
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
Gods heaven doesn’t teach us to reject works but to embrace repentance and also doing good works becoming actually zealous for good works so when we stand before him we don’t have to explain in circles about how our works didn’t matter we can just go there in confidence knowing our sins have been remitted because we believed and did what he said would remit our sins being baptized for repentance
and we can go there knowing the food we did helped others in need and glorified his name as we do it in his name for his glory in thier life
I have never said faith is not how we’re saved , I’ve said faith leads us into doing good works because that’s going to be our judgement what we have done in response to Christ and his word and sacrifice for us who believe
all we have to do is believe the gospel Jesus taught and he will bring us home but he teaches about what to repent of and also what to start doing with joy and peace that’s how faith works it isn’t in effective it changes the persons heart but not if we insist that it doesn’t apply it’s about hearing the word and believing that will correct our belief and heart turned from doing good and it’s value
yeah right spirit led
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
faith comes from his word . You see Paul insisted on this
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
Titus 3:8 KJV
because faith comes from what we are hearing meaning what we allow into our hearts belief . So Paul insisted that once we believe we are to constantly have the affirmation that we should be careful to do good . Thats all all he’s meaning by “ good works “ just do the right thing .
the works aren’t done unless we actually do them it’s not that we don’t have the responsibility because we’re led by the spirit. Chirches should teach every week about Christians doing good and walking in their works Christ has made us to walk in .
there is no place where we don’t do anything but the food works magically get done and credited to us . Faith is meant to change us into those who are zealous for good works who do those things from the heart but anytime someone mentions doing good works
the crowd of no works no works comes along insisting on these circular arguments it’s not complex at all if we refuse to hear the doctrine that teaches faith leads to good works done by us we aren’t ever going to change , if we allow in the truth about our works faith is going to build and lead us into those thkngs
faith can be constructed very wrongly if we reject the doctrine of we accept it we’re going to begin to have living faith that saves
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
I’m other words when people steer talking about Christians doing good and being an important part of it and then the crowd comes insisting nope that’s salvstion by works …..it’s a contrary message that deconstructs a persons faith who is actually moving into a strong and loving faith grace is good but if it teaches people no works they have never come into it it’s meant for this
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15 KJV
Gods heaven doesn’t teach us to reject works but to embrace repentance and also doing good works becoming actually zealous for good works so when we stand before him we don’t have to explain in circles about how our works didn’t matter we can just go there in confidence knowing our sins have been remitted because we believed and did what he said would remit our sins being baptized for repentance
and we can go there knowing the food we did helped others in need and glorified his name as we do it in his name for his glory in thier life
I have never said faith is not how we’re saved , I’ve said faith leads us into doing good works because that’s going to be our judgement what we have done in response to Christ and his word and sacrifice for us who believe
all we have to do is believe the gospel Jesus taught and he will bring us home but he teaches about what to repent of and also what to start doing with joy and peace that’s how faith works it isn’t in effective it changes the persons heart but not if we insist that it doesn’t apply it’s about hearing the word and believing that will correct our belief and heart turned from doing good and it’s value
The one doing the work in and of himself....
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
2Cor 10:17 But the one who boasts must boast in the Lord.
Exactly!
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
God Bless
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
2Cor 10:17 But the one who boasts must boast in the Lord.
Exactly!
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
God Bless
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toght so who is claiming that ? Or who has anywhere in this forum ever ? To speak of works isn’t to boast lol it’s just part of basic doctrine of we don’t reject it , it will become part of our faith to do good works if we don’t allow it in it won’t it will leave us in a verse
and sure if we’re led by Christs word in the gospel we aren’t under the law
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
if we accept his word we have a promise of eternal Life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
but if we reject his word
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
glad we can agree
and sure if we’re led by Christs word in the gospel we aren’t under the law
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
if we accept his word we have a promise of eternal Life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
but if we reject his word
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
glad we can agree
Please ignore my question in my previous quote unless what I think you meant is not what you meant. For, I think you meant to say that Salvation is a result of a genuine faith. If this is so, you are equally saying that good works is necessary for Salvation. In your own words, you said faith WIIL produce GOOD WORKS. In other words, if faith does not produce good works, it is no faith and does not lead to Salvation. So, faith and good works go hand in hand for Salvation. Think about it.
The question about Works and Salvation is not HOW works come about or are produced which is what you seem to be answering and emphasizing here but is about, whether Works is necessary for Salvation. Your post says Yes to the later question. And the scripture totally agrees.
In John 10:36 to 38 KJV( one instance out of many) Jesus says, *Say you of him whom the father has sanctified and sent into the world, you blasphemed because I said, I am the Son of God. If I do not the works of my father, believe me not. But if I do, though you believe not me, believe the works that you may know and believe that the father is in me and I in him*. We see him saying here that his work witnesses whom he is. You can know me by my works. If you believe my works you will believe in me. Just as James says in James 2 ---- But someone will say, you have faith I have works, show me your faith without works and I will show you my faith by my works.----- you see that his faith and his actions were working together and his faith was made complete by his works. (They work hand in hand) The epistle of James regarding this subject does not in any way contradict what Paul wrote in his letters.
If you go to Acts 10 and read about Cornelius, the Italian Centurion, you will observe that it was his good works that led him to Salvation in the real sense of it.
The question about Works and Salvation is not HOW works come about or are produced which is what you seem to be answering and emphasizing here but is about, whether Works is necessary for Salvation. Your post says Yes to the later question. And the scripture totally agrees.
In John 10:36 to 38 KJV( one instance out of many) Jesus says, *Say you of him whom the father has sanctified and sent into the world, you blasphemed because I said, I am the Son of God. If I do not the works of my father, believe me not. But if I do, though you believe not me, believe the works that you may know and believe that the father is in me and I in him*. We see him saying here that his work witnesses whom he is. You can know me by my works. If you believe my works you will believe in me. Just as James says in James 2 ---- But someone will say, you have faith I have works, show me your faith without works and I will show you my faith by my works.----- you see that his faith and his actions were working together and his faith was made complete by his works. (They work hand in hand) The epistle of James regarding this subject does not in any way contradict what Paul wrote in his letters.
If you go to Acts 10 and read about Cornelius, the Italian Centurion, you will observe that it was his good works that led him to Salvation in the real sense of it.
Mindwrenche what do u think Calvin believed.?