Bible "versions"?

[Dino246]

Yep, we speak a dumbed down version of the English language. That's a fact, not just my opinion. The modern day English language is the toughest language to learn because we have gone away from correct English.

Your argument is also irrelevant.

 

[Dino246]

According to the English scripture i use, the Holy Spirit will guide us into all the truth. This include the truth, the there is holy bible for me and that there are also perversions. The difference is you have it all flawed english versions but i have one final pure english version and ready to take a stand on it.

In other words, even though you and your compatriots are unable to defend your position with anything more substantial than fallacies, opinions, and empty assertions, you will ‘take your stand’. There’s a word for such behaviour.

 

[fredoheaven]

In other words, even though you and your compatriots are unable to defend your position with anything more substantial than fallacies, opinions, and empty assertions, you will ‘take your stand’. There’s a word for such behaviour.

Umm, "unable to defend," you say? Think of Christ when he defends from Satan's temptation, he used the word. You put 'integrity above all but where is your integrity when you even don't have one bible that is trustworthy. Your favorite NASB speaks of accuracy but according to you is not trustworthy. By the way, what do we call such behavior is that...

 

[MalikB]

Umm, "unable to defend," you say? Think of Christ when he defends from Satan's temptation, he used the word. You put 'integrity above all but where is your integrity when you even don't have one bible that is trustworthy. Your favorite NASB speaks of accuracy but according to you is not trustworthy. By the way, what do we call such behavior is that...

At the time of the Messiah, there was no bible. There was just scrolls... and no NT writings.

 

[Dino246]

Umm, "unable to defend," you say? Think of Christ when he defends from Satan's temptation, he used the word.

This is relevant how, exactly?

You put 'integrity above all but where is your integrity when you even don't have one bible that is trustworthy. Your favorite NASB speaks of accuracy but according to you is not trustworthy. By the way, what do we call such behavior is that...

My integrity is unsullied because I hold to my views, not to your misconception of my views. I have no need to claim that only a single translation is “trustworthy”.

 

[rayzor]

The bible is no better then the person using it? Or is that a fallacy?

 

[MalikB]

I know people are really not going to like me in here now, but I actually think the Septuagint is more accurate than the Textus Receptus....

 

[Lanolin]

I did read there is a curse for those that take away or add to the words of scripture, so crossing things out and adding extra verses comes in that category.

Its fine to put notes in but they are your OWN notes they arent scripture.

A lot of preachers get puffed up trying to tell people how they think the bible ought to be read. Sometimes its like they wanna insert their own names into it. The Bible written and inspired by me.

yea no.

 

[Lanolin]

it reminds me of the Animal Farm story where they started out with some commandments and then pigs added some extra words on the end.
The other animals couldnt remember them all so they just bleated 2 legs bad, 4 legs good!

 

[MalikB]

I did read there is a curse for those that take away or add to the words of scripture, so crossing things out and adding extra verses comes in that category.

Its fine to put notes in but they are your OWN notes they arent scripture.

A lot of preachers get puffed up trying to tell people how they think the bible ought to be read. Sometimes its like they wanna insert their own names into it. The Bible written and inspired by me.

yea no.

Yes it's revelation 22:18-19

 

[Katia]

Grace And Peace, Precious friend(s). I believe it is a very serious matter
to determine Which version of “the Bible” Is “The Correct Word Of God!”

I am sure we All agree, do we not, that we are All going to each give an
"account To HIM," (2 Corinthians 5:10), According to His Gospel of Grace,
To Paul (Romans 2:16), correct?

Thus, in Light of Paul's "...knowing therefore The Terror Of The LORD..." {v. 11}, to me,
I humbly present why I personally believe KJV Is “The Best Bible” to read/study:

(1) Q: Is IT not God’s Pure And PRESERVED WORD!?:

”The WORDS Of The LORD Are Pure WORDS: as silver tried
in a furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times. Thou Shalt Keep THEM,
O LORD, Thou Shalt PRESERVE THEM from this generation for ever.”
(Psalms 12:6-7 KJB!)

Now, Comparing This, with a couple of newer versions, what do we find?

NASB: “The words of the Lord are pure words…You, Lord, will keep them;
You will protect him from this generation forever.

NIV: “The words of the Lord are flawless…You, Lord, will keep the needy
safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,...

Do these Also claim God’s “Purity And Preservation for ALL generations”?

They both claim “pure/flawless” words, but, then they both
Omit Some Of: “Preserve THEM from this generation for ever” and
Change words TO the noted “Different” words above. How is that Purity ?

Q: Will The Holy Spirit, our Blessed Teacher, Help us understand
“The Purity of These Words,” considering these newer versions
have Changed Them? How, then, do we “study AND agree”?

{Diligent/Noble Berean students can find MANY of These Changes
{And, Also “omissions”}, and Prayerfully/Carefully decide for themselves
about the “Purity of God’s Words,” and which version is best, for them,
correct?}

(2) I personally have decided on Both “The Purity And The
Preservation Of The Authorized Version/underlying manuscripts,”
for the following reasons:

Q2: Is The Following the “Reason” why the newer versions Cannot claim:

God’s Promise To “Preserve HIS Pure Word for ALL generations”?

Since the newer versions did not appear until about 1880,
would not that be a “Lack Of Preservation,” due to the fact
that the underlying {older/better?} manuscripts had to be
“Re-discovered/translated,” Skipping the generations since 1611?

Can that be God’s Purpose For HIS Pure/Preserved Word?
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(3) God's Pure/Preserved Word Is ABOVE All Else! Is IT not?:

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy HOLY
Name for Thy LovingKindness and for Thy TRUTH: for Thou
Hast MAGNIFIED Thy WORD Above All Thy Name!"
( Psalms 138:2 KJB! )

imho, unless I am mistaken, on Judgment Day, I would Not want
one of the "good deeds done in my body," to be “Bad, by my claiming”
that corrupt/Changed/Missing words {translated from older/hidden
{UNpreserved} manuscripts into “newer easier-to-read/understand
versions,” are to be:

God's Pure Word, Which Is “Magnified Above All Of God’s Pure/Holy Name,”

would you, Precious friend(s)?
Finally:

IF it is true that “Many {~~ 2,800?} Of “God’s PURE Words”
are missing {ie: Acts 8:37 NASB et al?} from newer versions, then,
IF the “version user” Cannot read Them {because They are missing},
how is it possible then, for that one to obey God’s Exhortation:

“man Shall Not live by bread alone, But By EVERY Word
That Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God!”
(Matthew 4:4 cp Luke 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB!)?

Just wondering: How can God's "children of light" be in agreement
when each uses a Different Problematic version?: Are we not all,
By A Faithful God:

"...Called Into Fellowship With God's SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST"
(1 Corinthians 1:9 KJB!), And, should we not all be:

"Endeavouring to keep The Unity Of God's Spirit In The Bond Of
PEACE!..." (Ephesians 4:3 KJB!), obeying God's Exhortations!:

”...speak...the things which become Sound Doctrine!”
(Titus 2:1 cp "SAME mind And judgment!" 1 Corinthians 1:10 KJB!)?

Being faithful And Pleasing to our LORD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, Correct?

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Addendum:

Some do Not like archaic words in God’s Preserved Word, but isn’t
that Why God Commands us to “study” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)? I.e.:

“...we which are alive and remain unto the coming of The LORD shall not
prevent [precede] them which are asleep…” (1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJB!)

Once I “studied & found the meaning,” have never had any problem since. Amen?
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I would also, when Prayerfully/Carefully “studying, like to know," When "God Is
Addressing" one person {singular: thee, thine, & thou}, or More than one person
{plural: ye/you/your}. Could make a Huge Difference in His Pure Words, correct?

Since newer versions have Totally Lost these distinctions, considering
“you/your” Could be Either singular OR plural, causing Confusion, of
which God Is “Not the author of,” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!), correct,
Precious friend(s)?

Conclusion: Besides changing God’s PURE Words, is there not Also
HIS “Command NOT to Add, Nor To Take Away From HIS Word!”?
(Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Revelation 22:18-19 KJB!)
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"found a liar" (Proverbs 30:5-6) cp "every liar" (Rev 21 : 8, 22 : 15, 19 KJB!)

So, yes, I sincerely believe This Is “A Very Serious And Important”
decision Of faith to be made! After all, "a corrupt {#} version Will
Cause a corrupt faith,” correct? Since God’s PURE Word Teaches:

“...faith cometh by hearing, and hearing By The WORD Of God!”
(Romans 10:17 KJB!)

Be Blessed!

{#} Corruption had Already Begun in "Paul's day," thus it should not
surprise us, that it very well Could be in our midst, today, correct?:

"For we are not as many, which corrupt The Word Of God: but as
of sincerity, but as of God, in The Sight Of God speak we in CHRIST."
(2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB!)

Precious friend(s), instead of All of the Mass Confusion, is not
God's Simple Will Much Better? to be continued in (2a) below...

For me, the KJV is the one with all the sticky notes and ink underlines in it. I'm very conscious of its faults and have studied many of them.

 

[Katia]

Yes it's revelation 22:18-19

Thinking about that issue, I wonder if that admonition belongs solely to the Book of Revelation? Almost every version of the NT Bible is a translation of the first languages it was written in whether that be Greek, Aramaic, or something else. What became the Catholic Church was totally in charge of the Bible (Douay Confraternity) until Martin Luther, and then the church followers after merily went about killing each other.

Even here in America, in the Burnt Out region some got so disgusted that they started their own churches, and many of them still exist. The Mormons were so hated that they were chased all over America, finally ending up in modern day Utah. Some of you are hard liners in your denominations and that is fine. For me, however, the Mormon members have been sweet and accepting like no one else. Sure there are objections to some of their practises. I have objections to the practises of some of the other Denominations...

 

[MalikB]

Thinking about that issue, I wonder if that admonition belongs solely to the Book of Revelation? Almost every version of the NT Bible is a translation of the first languages it was written in whether that be Greek, Aramaic, or something else. What became the Catholic Church was totally in charge of the Bible (Douay Confraternity) until Martin Luther, and then the church followers after merily went about killing each other.

Even here in America, in the Burnt Out region some got so disgusted that they started their own churches, and many of them still exist. The Mormons were so hated that they were chased all over America, finally ending up in modern day Utah. Some of you are hard liners in your denominations and that is fine. For me, however, the Mormon members have been sweet and accepting like no one else. Sure there are objections to some of their practises. I have objections to the practises of some of the other Denominations...

I don't know if that passage was only speaking about the book of revelation, but it is not the first place in the scriptures where we can get the idea that scriptures can be changed:


Jeremiah 8:8

8 How do ye say, We [are] wise, And the law of Jehovah [is] with us? Surely, lo, falsely it hath wrought, The false pen of scribes.


I don't subscribe to any religious organization.... They will always have some foundational beliefs that are set in stone. If those beliefs turn out to be wrong, there will be issues with many things that they teach from there. It doesn't matter how much evidence you have that challenges this foundation, they have too much invested to change their entire doctrine. There will always be some traditions they put over Truth... even if done subconsciously.

I've always thought that the best "church" is just a group of open-minded truth seekers, students of scripture, researchers, etc. just getting together and bouncing ideas off of each other... and building on and adjusting the doctrine of the "church" as new evidence gets uncovered. For now, I just bounce these ideas and beliefs off of people online... Whether it be Jews, Christians, whatever... I get different view points from people looking at scripture so I can research the varying topics for myself, and try to determine what views may have the most evidence for them and how much of these beliefs are just interpretations and traditions added to the text.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I get different view points from people looking at scripture so I can research the varying topics for mySELF, and try to determine what views may have the most evidence for them and how much of these beliefs are just interpretations and traditions added to the text.

Amen, Precious Malik! As a new-born "babe In CHRIST," I was taught to take pen and notepad to the assembly, and, at home, compare "what I heard there"
With The Scriptures, And Always "go by" The Word Of God, Alone! Amen?:

(3) EACH of us will Only give account of him/herSELF To CHRIST, At The BEMA
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, In Heaven! (1 Corinthians 3:7-15), Correct?

(2) (2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
(1) God's Simple Will!

 

[John146]

I'm very conscious of its faults and have studied many of them.

Do tell...it's faults? Bold statement concerning God's word.

 

[John146]

Thinking about that issue, I wonder if that admonition belongs solely to the Book of Revelation? Almost every version of the NT Bible is a translation of the first languages it was written in whether that be Greek, Aramaic, or something else. What became the Catholic Church was totally in charge of the Bible (Douay Confraternity) until Martin Luther, and then the church followers after merily went about killing each other.

Even here in America, in the Burnt Out region some got so disgusted that they started their own churches, and many of them still exist. The Mormons were so hated that they were chased all over America, finally ending up in modern day Utah. Some of you are hard liners in your denominations and that is fine. For me, however, the Mormon members have been sweet and accepting like no one else. Sure there are objections to some of their practises. I have objections to the practises of some of the other Denominations...

Beginning, middle, and end...warnings about adding to or diminishing God's word.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

 

[rayzor]

Beginning, middle, and end...warnings about adding to or diminishing God's word.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

we don't need that warning devils do.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I get different view points from people looking at scripture so I can research the varying topics for mySELF, and try to determine what views may have the most evidence for them and how much of these beliefs are just interpretations and traditions added to the text.

Amen, Precious Malik! As a new-born "babe In CHRIST," I was taught to take pen
and notepad to the assembly, and, at home, compare "what I heard there"
With The Scriptures, And Always "go by" The Word Of God, Alone! Amen?:

(3) EACH of us will Only give account of him/herSELF To CHRIST, At The BEMA
Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, In Heaven! (1 Corinthians 3:7-15), Correct?

(2) (2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:3-9; Ephesians 3:9 =
Grace/Mystery fellowship, today?)

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!
(1) God's Simple Will!

 

[John146]

we don't need that warning devils do.

Man has messed around with Gods word, especially the last 150 years or so. Ever read a new version?

 

[rayzor]

Man has messed around with Gods word, especially the last 150 years or so. Ever read a new version?

man?..no devils we fight not against flesh & blood.