Vaccination?

[AandW]

What does getting Vaccinated have to do with Nazi's?

Where is getting Vaccinated stopping the Gospel of Christ from being preached?
Where is getting Vaccinated going against the Holy WORD of God?

When I got Vaccinated [TWICE], it gave me 2 times to Witness to the persons giving me the shot.
The Gospel was not being STOPPED when she and then he was sticking a needle into my upper left arm.

And then I was able to Witness to the one designed to watch you for 15 minutes before letting you leave.

I saw NO RESTRICTIONS from the Vaccination in the Word of God being shared!

 

[Rockson]

I haven't heard one peep out of any antivaxxer activists yet about placebo effects of what fear they spew yet.

Not sure what you mean by this.

 

[AandW]

Getting Vaccinated [COULD BE] God's last Witness/Share His Gospel to STRANGERS Plan.

And the Church Body is KILLING the Progress of God!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Christ told us to OBEY Caesar!
Paul told us that GOVERNMENTS were [designed] by God and we are to OBEY them.

Now, does getting Vaccinated go against what we read in the WORD of God?
NO!
So, this is a scenario, not involving God, but where we should OBEY the Government!

Didn't JESUS also say render unto GOD what belongs to GOD and JESUS said love GOD and love your neighbor and If on earth the CDC recommends getting the shot shouldn't we get It?

Furthermore IMO getting the shots demonstrates faith In action because GOD who IS ALMIGHTY and greater than the death causing virus looks at a person's true motives and you would not have to be afraid of death If you got the shot thinking,I'm getting this shot that's been recommended by the CDC so my neighbor Is protected just In case this virus Is real.That's true love for my neighbor.

 

[Jocund]

If someone has a good reason other than feelings to not take the Vaccines it's perfectly reasonable to do so...

Humans rights such as personal creed and religion is a perfectly good reason not to take the vaccine.

It's not ok to expect the whole world to bow to your choice. Meaning that you have to accept the concequenses of your actions. Meaning that you should be willing to isolate yourself away from others and be honest about your lack of vaccinations.

Who decides the opinion of the "whole world"? Media Puppeteers?

If the unvaccinated have to self-declare, should they start wearing armbands with a star on them too? Should they put into gulags and eventually rehabilitation camps with the slogan "Vax Will Set You Free"? There is a slippery slope to be observed with the societal behaviour.

That's the breaks... you don't get to go on missions or use public transportation or concerts or movie theatres...it's not the end of the world if you choose that...

It doesn't have to be that way. I have not seen a reasonable argument for why that should be the case.

just don't make everyone else responsible and have to suffer from your choices.

The same could be said about the consequences of choosing to take an emergency shot, or being complicit with an emergency shot being mandated on the entire population. If there are long term effects of the shot, including infertility and sterility (as seen in long term studies of some mRNA-based HPV vaccines from years ago) who suffers from that choice? Not the pharmaceutical companies. Everyone signs a waiver that they won't hold the pharmaceutical companies liable for vaccine injuries. Will the government pay? Enjoy communally paying higher taxes to cover that.

Reason with me for a moment.

1) If the vaccine works, why would everyone need one?
2) If the vaccine works, but not everyone gets one, what % of the population is required in order for herd immunity?
3) If the vaccines only probabilistically work, why wouldn't the restrictions of "theatres, concerts, and public transportation" ALSO apply to the vaccinated?
4) If the unvaccinated infected can be asymptomatic (immune), how can we be sure that asymptomatic vaccinated infected don't also exist? If the vaccines reduce symptoms but do not reduce infectiousness, wouldn't that mean that it is MORE important that the vaccinated isolate as the infection transfers are harder to detect? If vaccination status reduces the effectiveness of being able to detect actual infection status using PCR, would not that justify MORE restrictions for vaccinated individuals?
5) If the goal of the vaccine is only to limit the intensity and duration of infection because it takes up hospital resources, why aren't other mandates put into place for smoking, obesity, etc. which even in the scope of SARS-2 is considered a comorbidity factor?
6) Why are there mRNA vaccines available and non-mRNA vaccines available? What are the differences in % effectiveness?
7) How do I know that the % effectiveness is constant across ethnicities?
8) Why not wait until the "emergency measures" are dropped and the vaccines have been thoroughly tested with long-term study?

 

[Grandpa]

Either way is a faith decision.

If you have faith in the goodness of men and the honesty of men and the overall good will of govt. authority then you believe their propaganda that what they mandate is good for you.

If you have faith in God then you already know there is no goodness in men, there is very little honesty and there is no good will of govt. authority and their propaganda isn't even close to truth.



Seeing as how it was a collusion between the CDC and the Wuhan lab in creating this virus I don't see how anyone would possibly ever listen to their opinion on what to do next.

It wasn't an accident that this virus was made.

It wasn't an accident that the information on where it was spread from was suppressed.

It wasn't an accident that the information on the CDC colluding with Wuhan was suppressed.


Even after the information has come out it has had little effect. People had already chosen their god. It is their "science" and the propaganda agreeing with it.


But its "conspiracy theory" to speak against this propaganda...

 

[Aidan1]

which takes us back to square one.

keep your immune system strong, and way lesson the chance of getting sick, and you will need no vax.


i could give the names of medical professionals who have gone on record saying that natural immunity is better against covid than the vax, but you will just dismiss them , as you do most real information.

Again, I would say a very big number of people in this world are not able to strongen their immunesystem because of lack having food and water.
Of course, it would be better not to need a vaccine!!

 

[Rockson]

When the enemy comes to give his mark some day, the ppl who got the vaccine will be the first to take the mark too.

I've seen in other places people make this claim too. I think it's an unfair statement to make and it questions one's devotion to God. Not really fair. In Matt 17:24 Jesus was asked should he have to pay the temple tax. Actually Peter was asked this and Jesus talked to him about it later.

After Jesus and his disciples arrived in Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Doesn’t your teacher pay the temple tax?” Yes, he does,” he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. “What do you think, Simon?” he asked. “From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own children or from others?”
“From others,” Peter answered. “Then the children are exempt,” Jesus said to him. “But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours.” Matt 17:24

Jesus pointed out the real truth of the matter was he shouldn't have to......AND YET.....he did. He said to do so lest we offend them. So Jesus yielded to something really he shouldn't have had to but he did so for a greater purpose. If he didn't it would have hindered his work or things of a higher priority he wanted to accomplish. So my point....was Jesus a coward.....would this mean when the greater difficulty of going to the cross would take place he would fold, cave in and not do it? Of course not. So your point that those who take a vaccine, well they'll be the first to take the mark.....nothing to demonstrate that at all.

And here's something I 'd hope many would consider and ask themselves the question. Do you really, really and I mean really know for sure God is telling you not to take a vaccine and quit your job? Or is it rather just you in your natural mind just think it's this way. There were times where Jesus surprised people by what he ACTUALLY THOUGHT. Many times he'd bring in a different persepective....one which they had never thought of before.

So many go out and quit their jobs. Careers they've worked hard to get....maybe being a teacher or medical professional....jobs God worked with them and provided them to have and in those places they're the light of the world. God has them in those places as salt. Might a higher priority thing with the Lord be for them to stay where they are therefore take a vaccine? Another might claim well God can get them another job......and I'm sure he might for he cares for them BUT....could it be at the end of life's journey he says and about you leaving that job that really wasn't my perfect will? If you were listening closely to me at the time you might have heard me say, lest you offend them go ahead and take it? If not it'll hinder you from accomplishing what I put you in that career for to begin with. In other words is it possible it may not be God's will for you to throw it away? And maybe he's saying if there's something not good about the vaccines that he'll give you immunity over it? Mark 16:17

I'm not saying anyone should read what I've said above and just go ahead and take one but at least take it to real prayer and get the absolute feel what God is saying. It could be he might surprise you that he could be looking at it in a different way.

 

[Rockson]

YBut what really burns my britches is to hear Christians chanting about their 'personal rights'. NO, your personal rights DO NOT supersede love thy neighbor. And loving your nieghbor includes doing what you can to protect your neighbor. No matter WHO is telling you to do it.

You need to consider though many don't believe a vaccine is helpful to their neighbor. They may be wrong but that's what they believe. They believe the best way to protect their neighbor is by being in some resistance. If they actually do believe it is helpful for the greater number but don't take one then yes what you say is valid. Depends on what they person is thinking.

 

[BryanPaul]

In the case of this vaccination propaganda time i wouldn't say christians lack faith
More not thinking for themselves and falling prey. Not seeing the signs and reading the bible. No awareness just blindly swimming with the flow. No caution and no awareness.
When the enemy comes to give his mark some day, the ppl who got the vaccine will be the first to take the mark too.
This isnt about a vaccine for a deadly illness. Its total control and moving towards NWO. Digitalising everything and knowing everything about everyone.

What i find strange is most anti-vaxxers who say it's the mark of the Beast are evangelical fundamentalists and they generally believe in the pre-trib rapture, so as the MOTB is after the rapture (in that view) how can it be the Mark. As for it being a pre-cursor to the NWO well so is everything in the control system of this world, where the Devil is the ruler, so you'd need to stop banking, not use money, not use social media, not go to school, not use medications or health care or the welfare system ect ect. so you'd have to go and live off grid in a cave for the rest of your life.

 

[PennEd]

What does getting Vaccinated have to do with Nazi's?

Where is getting Vaccinated stopping the Gospel of Christ from being preached?
Where is getting Vaccinated going against the Holy WORD of God?

You couldn’t get that the point was that obeying the government has it’s limits?

Tell me. If a government entity forces a teacher to teach that homosexuality and transgenderism is good, should they obey?

If they force a Dr to perform abortions should he obey?

See the passages you quoted are not all encompassing.

 

[sonshine]

If you love your kids you will get the shot..

That statement right there (and others similar to it) is backed by nothing more than spirits of fear, control, and MANIPULATION.
Sounds like something that came right from the pit of hell.

I love my kids "to the moon and back".........
there is NO ONE besides myself and husband to care for/look after/raise them if we were to take some concoction of God only knows what and end up seriously injured or dead.

So guess what?
It is BECAUSE I LOVE MY KIDS that I WILL NOT give into this.

 

[BryanPaul]

Either way is a faith decision.

If you have faith in the goodness of men and the honesty of men and the overall good will of govt. authority then you believe their propaganda that what they mandate is good for you.

If you have faith in God then you already know there is no goodness in men, there is very little honesty and there is no good will of govt. authority and their propaganda isn't even close to truth.



Seeing as how it was a collusion between the CDC and the Wuhan lab in creating this virus I don't see how anyone would possibly ever listen to their opinion on what to do next.

It wasn't an accident that this virus was made.

It wasn't an accident that the information on where it was spread from was suppressed.

It wasn't an accident that the information on the CDC colluding with Wuhan was suppressed.


Even after the information has come out it has had little effect. People had already chosen their god. It is their "science" and the propaganda agreeing with it.


But its "conspiracy theory" to speak against this propaganda...

There's nothing wrong with theorising that there may be a conspiracy, because there are real conspiracies going on. That doesn't mean all theories are facts, of course, and it doesn't mean they are all wrong either. It was part of the CIA's MKUltra program to defame truth seekers by labeling them "conspiracy theorists" and making that into some kind of insult, and it worked because now people don't even know what it means and it's used all the time by conspirators to discourage people from thinking for themselves.So anyone who raises concerns, or posits an idea that contradicts the establishment line is immediately ridiculed, and the people fall for it not even realising that by doing so they are working on behalf of our "rulers".

 

[JohnDB]

Not sure what you mean by this.

All the selling of fear to be associated with the Vaccines is having a placebo effect on a portion of the population. They believe it will harm them so in effect it does.

 

[JohnDB]

Humans rights such as personal creed and religion is a perfectly good reason not to take the vaccine.



Who decides the opinion of the "whole world"? Media Puppeteers?

If the unvaccinated have to self-declare, should they start wearing armbands with a star on them too? Should they put into gulags and eventually rehabilitation camps with the slogan "Vax Will Set You Free"? There is a slippery slope to be observed with the societal behaviour.



It doesn't have to be that way. I have not seen a reasonable argument for why that should be the case.



The same could be said about the consequences of choosing to take an emergency shot, or being complicit with an emergency shot being mandated on the entire population. If there are long term effects of the shot, including infertility and sterility (as seen in long term studies of some mRNA-based HPV vaccines from years ago) who suffers from that choice? Not the pharmaceutical companies. Everyone signs a waiver that they won't hold the pharmaceutical companies liable for vaccine injuries. Will the government pay? Enjoy communally paying higher taxes to cover that.

Reason with me for a moment.

1) If the vaccine works, why would everyone need one?
2) If the vaccine works, but not everyone gets one, what % of the population is required in order for herd immunity?
3) If the vaccines only probabilistically work, why wouldn't the restrictions of "theatres, concerts, and public transportation" ALSO apply to the vaccinated?
4) If the unvaccinated infected can be asymptomatic (immune), how can we be sure that asymptomatic vaccinated infected don't also exist? If the vaccines reduce symptoms but do not reduce infectiousness, wouldn't that mean that it is MORE important that the vaccinated isolate as the infection transfers are harder to detect? If vaccination status reduces the effectiveness of being able to detect actual infection status using PCR, would not that justify MORE restrictions for vaccinated individuals?
5) If the goal of the vaccine is only to limit the intensity and duration of infection because it takes up hospital resources, why aren't other mandates put into place for smoking, obesity, etc. which even in the scope of SARS-2 is considered a comorbidity factor?
6) Why are there mRNA vaccines available and non-mRNA vaccines available? What are the differences in % effectiveness?
7) How do I know that the % effectiveness is constant across ethnicities?
8) Why not wait until the "emergency measures" are dropped and the vaccines have been thoroughly tested with long-term study?

So much wrong...it would take an encyclopedia set for an answer to all of this.
The hpv vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine.
Studies are being done but they aren't finished for a lot of subjects...this isn't exactly a movie where the answers are discovered in two hours. There are strong indicators that the mRNA vaccines prevent infection and transmission for a majority of the population...but no vaccine is 100% or perfect...the ones you took in childhood weren't as good as the mRNA vaccines currently being utilized not is any form of birth control as effective as these mRNA vaccines are.

 

[Jocund]

All the selling of fear to be associated with the Vaccines is having a placebo effect on a portion of the population. They believe it will harm them so in effect it does.

You wouldn't need to vacuously speculate like this if proper trials were performed on the vaccines. We would have actual data to draw from.

 

[shittim]

You obviously didnt even read what I wrote. I said its not about lack of faith. Nor is it about medicine. Reading rather than just attacking and accusing people of things they didnt say would be a good and mature way to discuss matters.
But ive noticed that behavior a few times. Time to put you on ignore. Bye

always great to see you Demi,bless you

 

[Jocund]

So much wrong...it would take an encyclopedia set for an answer to all of this.
The hpv vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine.
Studies are being done but they aren't finished for a lot of subjects...this isn't exactly a movie where the answers are discovered in two hours. There are strong indicators that the mRNA vaccines prevent infection and transmission for a majority of the population...but no vaccine is 100% or perfect...the ones you took in childhood weren't as good as the mRNA vaccines currently being utilized not is any form of birth control as effective as these mRNA vaccines are.

You should answer the 8 questions.

1) If the vaccine works, why would everyone need one?
2) If the vaccine works, but not everyone gets one, what % of the population is required in order for herd immunity?
3) If the vaccines only probabilistically work, why wouldn't the restrictions of "theatres, concerts, and public transportation" ALSO apply to the vaccinated?
4) If the unvaccinated infected can be asymptomatic (immune), how can we be sure that asymptomatic vaccinated infected don't also exist? If the vaccines reduce symptoms but do not reduce infectiousness, wouldn't that mean that it is MORE important that the vaccinated isolate as the infection transfers are harder to detect? If vaccination status reduces the effectiveness of being able to detect actual infection status using PCR, would not that justify MORE restrictions for vaccinated individuals?
5) If the goal of the vaccine is only to limit the intensity and duration of infection because it takes up hospital resources, why aren't other mandates put into place for smoking, obesity, etc. which even in the scope of SARS-2 is considered a comorbidity factor?
6) Why are there mRNA vaccines available and non-mRNA vaccines available? What are the differences in % effectiveness?
7) How do I know that the % effectiveness is constant across ethnicities?
8) Why not wait until the "emergency measures" are dropped and the vaccines have been thoroughly tested with long-term study?

 

[JohnDB]

You wouldn't need to vacuously speculate like this if proper trials were performed on the vaccines. We would have actual data to draw from.

Proper trials were done. Overly proper and overly cautious with extra large sized double blind trials were done.

Third party sponsor monitoring is an exceptionally lucrative career...much too lucrative to fudge numbers over three separate countries and separate agencies doing the reporting.
Then on top of this the NIH did separate double blind trials that confirmed the exact same results that the mRNA manufacturers had.

So....four double blind trials of the mRNA vaccines involving hundreds of thousands of people and the results poured over by computers and people looking for a reason to reject them...

They all came to the same conclusion...they work and work well with a very few mild side effects.

However...fear sellers find one person who was scared to death by the fear sellers of the vaccine who does of placebo effect and blow this up out of proportion to prove their lies... well...sorry. I'm not about fear.

 

[JohnDB]

You should answer the 8 questions.

I did... you ignored the answers.