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for salvation.
Yes. Because no amount of good deeds will cause God to forgive 1 sin, let alone all the sins we are in debt to God for
Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Yes. Because no amount of good deeds will cause God to forgive 1 sin, let alone all the sins we are in debt to God for
it is of grace but it Election is not Grace. Grace is a gift that one can't earn nor deserve.
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Of course, Judas was in the plan of God, did God's plan fail because satan entered him? Or was it just the redemptive part?
Or did Judas chosen to do it?
We are all like Adam post-fall, only Christ was like Adam pre-Fall. ie, sinless.
We are all dead in our sins and in bondage to sin since the fall. Adam and eve pre-fall were not enslaved by sin nor in Bondage to it. I think that is a huge distinction that often gets forgotten.
Is unbelief a sin? That is denying God, hating his commands, his kindness, forbearance, love, and rejecting Christs work?
I would say that unbelief is sin. And yet you say that no one will suffer for sin, as the (debt) was paid. This is a contradicting statement.
all People that is the posterity descending from Adam by ordinary generation and from the time of fall - inherited our first parents fallen nature, will be condemned for their own sin. Unless saved by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone.
It always comes back to how can the Spiritual dead man understand spiritual things.. this is a statement from Jesus himself says. Basically he can't he needs the outward call of the gospel and the inward working of the Spirit before he can open his eyes to grace. The dead heart is dead to God, the Holy Spirit renews it. then we 'will' come to faith.
No, that would be yourself. You INSERTED "elected" into Romans 8 regarding predestination, even though the words DOES NOT OCCUR there.
You are the one having reading challenges.
It is obvious that Judas was chosen to betray Jesus. How isn't John 6:70,71 not clear about that?
That's good so we are agree that we can differentiate between God's choosing? Some unto evil - some unto good. You use the word service.. but whether good or evil you can only agree that God has decreed it since he chose it. and that it is all to His Glory.
The rationale of debate here is more human need then scripture. scripture makes clear that god chooses both elected and
Receivers of kingship,grace,prophetic gifts, apostleship…etc..etc
based on his own devine & sovereign rationale.
We (humans) *think* we deem right and wrong…rightly. We also deem that God “would be wrong” for choosing some and not “others” without good works a-porting to election process especially on the basis of personal & sovereign choice and that doesn’t sound right…. Based on morality it really doesn’t — but the principle nature of morality is a concept al-together put forth by god, and it is thanks to him awarding this concept to us that we even have a debate here in the form of thought process… using such gift in judgement of the most high is flirting with questioning his Deity rationalization.
But truth be told… our idea is coupled with an extreme level of earthly ignorance and deeming god right or wrong based on our gifted & inferior thought process is not correct.
Onto to the next part of the answer.
Is this life all there will be? Is the average 60-80 years on earth all there is? And our gifted positions here.. graced or not all there will be? Do we not believe in the promise of christ and resurrection or heavenly residence?
If we argue election on sovereign rule whether harsh or not then we might as well dispute why not I was chosen to be the character of David, or paul, or given the authority of an angel..
Who gave god the right when he was in his thought process of creation to assign some to more lucrative positions and others to more accursed ones.
Receivers of kingship,grace,prophetic gifts, apostleship…etc..etc
based on his own devine & sovereign rationale.
We (humans) *think* we deem right and wrong…rightly. We also deem that God “would be wrong” for choosing some and not “others” without good works a-porting to election process especially on the basis of personal & sovereign choice and that doesn’t sound right…. Based on morality it really doesn’t — but the principle nature of morality is a concept al-together put forth by god, and it is thanks to him awarding this concept to us that we even have a debate here in the form of thought process… using such gift in judgement of the most high is flirting with questioning his Deity rationalization.
But truth be told… our idea is coupled with an extreme level of earthly ignorance and deeming god right or wrong based on our gifted & inferior thought process is not correct.
Onto to the next part of the answer.
Is this life all there will be? Is the average 60-80 years on earth all there is? And our gifted positions here.. graced or not all there will be? Do we not believe in the promise of christ and resurrection or heavenly residence?
If we argue election on sovereign rule whether harsh or not then we might as well dispute why not I was chosen to be the character of David, or paul, or given the authority of an angel..
Who gave god the right when he was in his thought process of creation to assign some to more lucrative positions and others to more accursed ones.
so Judas was saved after satan entered him? Light does have fellowship with darkness?
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If unbelief is the reason people go to hell. Then unbelief is the unpardonable sin.
As for them understanding spiritual things. That's what the HS does when he convicts. I was unregenerate when the HS convicted me. He worked on me for awhile before I finally admitted what I knew. From the time I acknowledged the gospel until the time I took the stand and called out to Jesus was not instantaneous, in fact, it was a few days.
The reason Unbelieve is unpardonable. is because you in effect call the HS a liar. Your rejecting his word. which is blasphemy
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Unbelief isnt unpardonable, God has Mercy on the sin of unbelief if we are of the elect Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
1 Tim 1:13
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Unbelief isnt unpardonable, God has Mercy on the sin of unbelief if we are of the elect Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
1 Tim 1:13
Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
I have to say you have lost me on this one.
If unbelief is the unpardonable sin then no man, that is no man can be saved. This is a contradiction in terms. Men who are in unbelief actually do get saved! So it is not unpardonable!
Yes the Holy Spirit convicts, and renews the heart that is the reason why any of us will come to to faith. And the only reason. No one says coming to saving faith is instantaneous.
If unbelief is the unpardonable sin then no man, that is no man can be saved. This is a contradiction in terms. Men who are in unbelief actually do get saved! So it is not unpardonable!
Yes the Holy Spirit convicts, and renews the heart that is the reason why any of us will come to to faith. And the only reason. No one says coming to saving faith is instantaneous.
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Look at Jesus words. The people in effect commuted blasphemy by reeking the HS. And Jesus said they were in danger
They have until they die to repent. We all do. Whoever dies in a state of unbelief dies in a state of unforgiven
That’s why God tells us to repent. To believe
Not to earn salvation. But to receive it
It’s already paid for