The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Again, you rip 1 Timothy 2:6 out of its context and go to Matt 20:28 to prop up your dogma. Read 1 Timothy 2:6 in context and understand what is its meaning according to Scripture.
1 Timothy 2:
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
That is God's desire ... that all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Does God know that not all will be saved? Of course He does.
And God knowing that does not change the fact that God desires to have all saved. God provided all that is needed to save all and the propitiation (1 John 2:2) is sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world. However, as pointed out in Post #496, just as Cain refused to "do well and be accepted" and refused to "rule over sin", there are some who reject God's provision and they will suffer the consequences come judgment day.
Again, the fact that some reject does not mean God does not desire to have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Here's another verse which expresses God's desire:
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways ... (Ezekiel 33:11)
1 Timothy 2:
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
That is God's desire ... that all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Does God know that not all will be saved? Of course He does.
And God knowing that does not change the fact that God desires to have all saved. God provided all that is needed to save all and the propitiation (1 John 2:2) is sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world. However, as pointed out in Post #496, just as Cain refused to "do well and be accepted" and refused to "rule over sin", there are some who reject God's provision and they will suffer the consequences come judgment day.
Again, the fact that some reject does not mean God does not desire to have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Here's another verse which expresses God's desire:
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways ... (Ezekiel 33:11)
Redeemed from the curse of the Law !
All for whom Christ died, whether they know of it or not, by His Death alone, they've been delivered from the curse of the Law, for He was made a curse for them Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
" redeemed from" the curse of the Law. The word from ek and means:
out of, from, by, away from
There is no way anyone for whom Christ died can be cursed by the Law, which gives strength to sin, no sin can be charged against them.
Now if Christ's Death alone hath done this, then how can any sin condemn anyone Christ died for. 1 Cor 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.122
Sin can only bring condemnation through or by means of God's violated Law Rom 4:15
15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
So there cannot be any Law to violate, to cause trespass or transgression to bring about God's Wrath, to those Christ, by His Death hath redeemed from the curse of the Law, in which the law worketh wrath; but there is no broken and violated Law to cause God's wrath to those Christ died for.
So those experiencing God's Wrath in Jn 3:36 and Rom 1:18, most certainly cannot be anyone Christ died for, because by His Death alone, He redeemed them from the curse of the Law, a man's believing does not accomplish that, if it did, then it does something that Christ death did not do, which is Blasphemy !
This being redeemed from the curse of the law, is a once and for all completed act by Christ's Blood, and is not contingent upon any other future conditions !
All for whom Christ died, whether they know of it or not, by His Death alone, they've been delivered from the curse of the Law, for He was made a curse for them Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
" redeemed from" the curse of the Law. The word from ek and means:
out of, from, by, away from
There is no way anyone for whom Christ died can be cursed by the Law, which gives strength to sin, no sin can be charged against them.
Now if Christ's Death alone hath done this, then how can any sin condemn anyone Christ died for. 1 Cor 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.122
Sin can only bring condemnation through or by means of God's violated Law Rom 4:15
15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
So there cannot be any Law to violate, to cause trespass or transgression to bring about God's Wrath, to those Christ, by His Death hath redeemed from the curse of the Law, in which the law worketh wrath; but there is no broken and violated Law to cause God's wrath to those Christ died for.
So those experiencing God's Wrath in Jn 3:36 and Rom 1:18, most certainly cannot be anyone Christ died for, because by His Death alone, He redeemed them from the curse of the Law, a man's believing does not accomplish that, if it did, then it does something that Christ death did not do, which is Blasphemy !
This being redeemed from the curse of the law, is a once and for all completed act by Christ's Blood, and is not contingent upon any other future conditions !
I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do!
Jn 17:4
4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
What was the Work ? it was Twofold, to seek and to save that which was Lost Lk 19:10
10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Both to seek and to save are infinitive verbs, actions Christ must do, works He must do !
Folks it is a Lie to teach that Christ came to make saving possible or to make seeking possible. For if He did not seek that which was Lost, He failed His work and it was incomplete, and if He did not save that which was Lost, He failed His Work and it was not finished but incomplete !
The Father sent Him for that specific purpose Jn 10:36
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
1 Tim 1:15
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
This is the same aorist infinitive to save as in Lk 19:10
The question you and I must answer honestly today is if Christ really finished the work the Father gave Him to do , that is, did He seek and save all of the Lost that the Father desired to be sought and to be saved 1 Tim 2:4; Jn 6:37-40. Was Jesus Christ 100 % successful in seeking and in saving, all for whom the Father had a pleasure to be sought and to be saved ?
Jn 17:4
4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
What was the Work ? it was Twofold, to seek and to save that which was Lost Lk 19:10
10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Both to seek and to save are infinitive verbs, actions Christ must do, works He must do !
Folks it is a Lie to teach that Christ came to make saving possible or to make seeking possible. For if He did not seek that which was Lost, He failed His work and it was incomplete, and if He did not save that which was Lost, He failed His Work and it was not finished but incomplete !
The Father sent Him for that specific purpose Jn 10:36
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
1 Tim 1:15
15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
This is the same aorist infinitive to save as in Lk 19:10
The question you and I must answer honestly today is if Christ really finished the work the Father gave Him to do , that is, did He seek and save all of the Lost that the Father desired to be sought and to be saved 1 Tim 2:4; Jn 6:37-40. Was Jesus Christ 100 % successful in seeking and in saving, all for whom the Father had a pleasure to be sought and to be saved ?
Have you ever heard of stockholm syndrome?
John 3:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light
It is not that those who love darkness rather than light cannot believe as instructed in vss 16 and 18 ... it is that they choose to love darkness rather than light ...
John 3:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light
It is not that those who love darkness rather than light cannot believe as instructed in vss 16 and 18 ... it is that they choose to love darkness rather than light ...
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I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do! cont
Was Jesus 100 % successful in seeking and saving all for whom the Father had a Pleasure to be saved. Folks, if Christ did not seek and save all that the Father wanted to be sought and to be saved, then Christ failed and He lied when He said " I have finished the WORK which thou gavest me to do" There is no other way to put it. The teachers of error tell us that Christ only made salvation Possible or Available, but if that was true, then Lk 19:10 would be false !
10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. 124
Was Jesus 100 % successful in seeking and saving all for whom the Father had a Pleasure to be saved. Folks, if Christ did not seek and save all that the Father wanted to be sought and to be saved, then Christ failed and He lied when He said " I have finished the WORK which thou gavest me to do" There is no other way to put it. The teachers of error tell us that Christ only made salvation Possible or Available, but if that was true, then Lk 19:10 would be false !
10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. 124
Heb 7:22
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Gen 44:32
For thy servant became surety for the lad unto my father, saying, If I bring him not unto thee, then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever.
Those who are born into this world as sinners by nature, whom Christ was made a Surety for, they have no indebtedness to God's Law, they are born as sinners, as enemies by nature and children of wrath, with all their sins forgiven because they had been charged to Christ !
By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Gen 44:32
For thy servant became surety for the lad unto my father, saying, If I bring him not unto thee, then I shall bear the blame to my father for ever.
Those who are born into this world as sinners by nature, whom Christ was made a Surety for, they have no indebtedness to God's Law, they are born as sinners, as enemies by nature and children of wrath, with all their sins forgiven because they had been charged to Christ !
Christ's Death God-ward accomplished much for those He died for before they ever believe in Him. For example, That which the elect are by nature as other men, children of wrath Eph 2:3, Enemies Rom 5:10, enemies in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21, yet because of Christ's finished work for them, they are not the objects of God's Wrath, not ever, but only objects of His Mercy. You see, with them, their sinfulness by nature only constitutes them what God afore ordained, Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
All the Legal condemnation that they deserve along with others, the vessels of wrath, theirs has been effectively dealt with by the Cross of Jesus Christ, for He died for all their sins in the flesh. Even after the New Birth, that Old Man that they remain in, and what carries the New Man, it still is very sinful, because it was born out of corruptible seed, the fallen Adam. Their sin nature of adam is not eradicated, but is still alive and well in the Saint of God, for that is Paul's argument in Rom 7 and Johns point in 1 Jn 1:8. However that Old Man with all of its deceitful lusts is still the object of God's mercy, David said as a New Creature Ps 130:3
If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?126
But that Old Man born out of Adam shall experience an Adoption, a Salvation in the Day of Redemption, Paul calls it The Redemption of the Body, this Body of Death Rom 7:24 cp Rom 8:23, so this Body and its deeds can never be under God's Legal Condemnation and Wrath, His Fatherly Chastening, Yes, but never wrath and condemnation.
The Sinful Bodies of the Saints, that did incur condemnation in Adam Rom 5:18, but it [The merited condemnation] was imputed to Christ's Charge, their Surety and Head, and He came Legally and imputatively under God's Wrath and Condemnation for them, in their stead, so not at anytime are they condemned by God's Law, but to the contrary are made objects of mercy, Mercy and Condemnation does not mix !
So the Elect are Blessed and privileged above others who are born sinners, for they had no Surety !
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
All the Legal condemnation that they deserve along with others, the vessels of wrath, theirs has been effectively dealt with by the Cross of Jesus Christ, for He died for all their sins in the flesh. Even after the New Birth, that Old Man that they remain in, and what carries the New Man, it still is very sinful, because it was born out of corruptible seed, the fallen Adam. Their sin nature of adam is not eradicated, but is still alive and well in the Saint of God, for that is Paul's argument in Rom 7 and Johns point in 1 Jn 1:8. However that Old Man with all of its deceitful lusts is still the object of God's mercy, David said as a New Creature Ps 130:3
If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?126
But that Old Man born out of Adam shall experience an Adoption, a Salvation in the Day of Redemption, Paul calls it The Redemption of the Body, this Body of Death Rom 7:24 cp Rom 8:23, so this Body and its deeds can never be under God's Legal Condemnation and Wrath, His Fatherly Chastening, Yes, but never wrath and condemnation.
The Sinful Bodies of the Saints, that did incur condemnation in Adam Rom 5:18, but it [The merited condemnation] was imputed to Christ's Charge, their Surety and Head, and He came Legally and imputatively under God's Wrath and Condemnation for them, in their stead, so not at anytime are they condemned by God's Law, but to the contrary are made objects of mercy, Mercy and Condemnation does not mix !
So the Elect are Blessed and privileged above others who are born sinners, for they had no Surety !
It Brings Forth Fruit, New Birth !
Jn 12:24
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
1 Pet 1:23,3
23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
It was a manifest established principle from the beginning, that God ordained that a seed reproduces its Kind:
Gen 1:11,12
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Jesus is that corn of wheat that shall fall into the ground and die, and hence bring forth fruit of its kind ! In other words Jesus Christ is a Seed Gal 3:16; Gen 3:16 and God ordained this method for Him to bring forth fruit after His Kind, to die !
This is how the Second Adam was to be fruitful and Multiply after His Kind !
Its like one solitary seed of a Tree, its put into the ground, it undergoes death, a decomposition [ not in a putrefying sense, but in a breakdown of component sense] and then germination, and so it begins to Grow into a Tree of many roots, twigs and branches, and leaves and fruit after its Kind ! Where did it all come from ? That One Seed that fell into the ground and Died ! Through that Death of that Seed comes Life to its seed 1 Pet 1:3, 23.
Folks the Death of Christ results in Life, not a possibility of Life, not a Offer of Life, but it begets us into a Lively Hope. That word Lively is the greek word zaō and means:
to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead)
2) to enjoy real life
a) to have true life and worthy of the name127
b) active, blessed, endless in the kingdom of God
3) to live i.e. pass life, in the manner of the living and acting
This is an Accomplishment of the Death of Christ Jn 12:24
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Fruit here would be Living converts ! His Death Produces Converts, Fruit, People after His Kind, Christians !
To deny this is to deny everything about the Cross of Christ and its Power. If anyone Christ died for does not become a Christian in the True sense of the Word, His Death failed its purpose !
Jn 12:24
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
1 Pet 1:23,3
23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
It was a manifest established principle from the beginning, that God ordained that a seed reproduces its Kind:
Gen 1:11,12
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Jesus is that corn of wheat that shall fall into the ground and die, and hence bring forth fruit of its kind ! In other words Jesus Christ is a Seed Gal 3:16; Gen 3:16 and God ordained this method for Him to bring forth fruit after His Kind, to die !
This is how the Second Adam was to be fruitful and Multiply after His Kind !
Its like one solitary seed of a Tree, its put into the ground, it undergoes death, a decomposition [ not in a putrefying sense, but in a breakdown of component sense] and then germination, and so it begins to Grow into a Tree of many roots, twigs and branches, and leaves and fruit after its Kind ! Where did it all come from ? That One Seed that fell into the ground and Died ! Through that Death of that Seed comes Life to its seed 1 Pet 1:3, 23.
Folks the Death of Christ results in Life, not a possibility of Life, not a Offer of Life, but it begets us into a Lively Hope. That word Lively is the greek word zaō and means:
to live, breathe, be among the living (not lifeless, not dead)
2) to enjoy real life
a) to have true life and worthy of the name127
b) active, blessed, endless in the kingdom of God
3) to live i.e. pass life, in the manner of the living and acting
This is an Accomplishment of the Death of Christ Jn 12:24
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Fruit here would be Living converts ! His Death Produces Converts, Fruit, People after His Kind, Christians !
To deny this is to deny everything about the Cross of Christ and its Power. If anyone Christ died for does not become a Christian in the True sense of the Word, His Death failed its purpose !
Read what Scripture says about God's Law:
Romans 7:
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Here is another truth concerning God's Law:
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them
If, as is claimed by you, the "elect" have no "indebtedness to God's Law", does that mean God will not put [His] laws into their hearts and will not write His laws in their minds ???
You're dogma is so far out of bounds that it borders on facetiousness.
Romans 7:
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Here is another truth concerning God's Law:
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them
If, as is claimed by you, the "elect" have no "indebtedness to God's Law", does that mean God will not put [His] laws into their hearts and will not write His laws in their minds ???
You're dogma is so far out of bounds that it borders on facetiousness.
More on Rom 4:25
Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Jesus Christ's Death on the Cross has completely satisfied all of God's Righteous requirements on behalf of those He died for, in that they are Justified, made right with God through Jesus Christ, His Death Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Now His Resurrection proves that God's Law and Justice has been satisfied by Christ's Death and that All concerned are hereby Justified or absolved [remission of sins]because of what Christ has done for them Rom 8:33-34
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.128
Everyone that Christ has died for, no matter what, no matter that they are born by nature children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, their Justification and remission of sin before God through Jesus Christ Death is a completed fact forever Heb 9:12. The word redemption in this verse means deliverance from the penalty of sin, which equals Justification ! This fact just is not known to the redeemed, until it is revealed by the Spirit through the Gospel, for the Just shall live by Faith. In other words this Free Gift of Justification that they have through the Merits of Christ Alone, shall be made known to them by the Spirit in due time 1 Tim 2:6, for since they are made Just or righteous by Christ's obedience alone [Rom 5:19] they shall and must live by Faith, So in God's Time they are given a new Birth by the Spirit, and given as a Fruit of the Spirit, Faith to receive the Gospel Revelation of their Justification, and Praise God for His Grace ! The Justification they have that was evidenced by Christ's Resurrection shall be made known to them !
Rom 4:25
25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Jesus Christ's Death on the Cross has completely satisfied all of God's Righteous requirements on behalf of those He died for, in that they are Justified, made right with God through Jesus Christ, His Death Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Now His Resurrection proves that God's Law and Justice has been satisfied by Christ's Death and that All concerned are hereby Justified or absolved [remission of sins]because of what Christ has done for them Rom 8:33-34
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.128
Everyone that Christ has died for, no matter what, no matter that they are born by nature children of wrath as others Eph 2:3, their Justification and remission of sin before God through Jesus Christ Death is a completed fact forever Heb 9:12. The word redemption in this verse means deliverance from the penalty of sin, which equals Justification ! This fact just is not known to the redeemed, until it is revealed by the Spirit through the Gospel, for the Just shall live by Faith. In other words this Free Gift of Justification that they have through the Merits of Christ Alone, shall be made known to them by the Spirit in due time 1 Tim 2:6, for since they are made Just or righteous by Christ's obedience alone [Rom 5:19] they shall and must live by Faith, So in God's Time they are given a new Birth by the Spirit, and given as a Fruit of the Spirit, Faith to receive the Gospel Revelation of their Justification, and Praise God for His Grace ! The Justification they have that was evidenced by Christ's Resurrection shall be made known to them !
Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them
Do you believe Romans 7:12? Yes or no.
Do you believe Hebrews 10:16? Yes or no.
Why won't you answer those simple questions?
Has it ever occurred to you that the Lord Jesus Christ set the believer free from the bondage of sin?
Romans 6:
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Your statement in Post #509 that "Those who are born into this world as sinners by nature, whom Christ was made a Surety for, they have no indebtedness to God's Law" does not free the believer from the bondage to sin, and is completely out of touch with the reality of what is written in God's Word.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them
Do you believe Romans 7:12? Yes or no.
Do you believe Hebrews 10:16? Yes or no.
Why won't you answer those simple questions?
Has it ever occurred to you that the Lord Jesus Christ set the believer free from the bondage of sin?
Romans 6:
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Your statement in Post #509 that "Those who are born into this world as sinners by nature, whom Christ was made a Surety for, they have no indebtedness to God's Law" does not free the believer from the bondage to sin, and is completely out of touch with the reality of what is written in God's Word.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!