Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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Now in considering the bible teaching on unconditional election, we must consider its logical counterpart the doctrine of unconditional reprobation. Thats not to say the reprobate wont be punished justly for their sins in reprobation, however God sovereignly chose to exercise justice on them for their sins, as opposed to having sovereignly chose to exercise mercy towards the elect for their sins.
Now here are some biblical concepts for unconditional reprobation:
. First, God hath refused or rejected some particular persons, on whom he purposed never to have mercy; this is most evident from the Scriptures following. “But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.” John 10:26 “But the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.” Rom11:7. “Therefore hath he mercy, on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.” Rom 9:18
These are people whom God has purposed not to heal/save Jn 12:39-40
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Now here are some biblical concepts for unconditional reprobation:
. First, God hath refused or rejected some particular persons, on whom he purposed never to have mercy; this is most evident from the Scriptures following. “But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.” John 10:26 “But the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.” Rom11:7. “Therefore hath he mercy, on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.” Rom 9:18
These are people whom God has purposed not to heal/save Jn 12:39-40
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Doesnt need answering. What needs to be understood is that God chose a people before they existed in order to perform any actions. Just like God said about jacob and easu, Gods purpose for them was established before they were born to any good or evil Rom 9:11
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
So what can be more clearer that God isnt basing election on what people do, since it was before they were born !! This has absolutely nothing to do with prophecy !
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
So what can be more clearer that God isnt basing election on what people do, since it was before they were born !! This has absolutely nothing to do with prophecy !
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Romans 11 concerns Israel. Not individuals.
God chose Isreal before anyone had done good or evil. A huge argument the pharisee and Jews made was they were chosen because of the righteousness of their fathers. Paul refuted that argument
once again, as JESUS said, it is Hs will that whoever sees and believes will never die
whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does nt believe is condemned already]
Salvation is by Grace through faith
Condemnation is through unbelief.
Predesitination hence is based on faith.
That was what and how God elects people. By his will
Your pigeon holding God and not allowing him to do whatever he wants. Or desires.
God chose Isreal before anyone had done good or evil. A huge argument the pharisee and Jews made was they were chosen because of the righteousness of their fathers. Paul refuted that argument
once again, as JESUS said, it is Hs will that whoever sees and believes will never die
whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does nt believe is condemned already]
Salvation is by Grace through faith
Condemnation is through unbelief.
Predesitination hence is based on faith.
That was what and how God elects people. By his will
Your pigeon holding God and not allowing him to do whatever he wants. Or desires.
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Before the foundation of the earth God plan to create human , Adam an eve God chose to put them in paradise not to hell so Otiginally God chose to put Adam and his offspring in paradise, not hell
But Adam disobeyed and some of his disobeyed offspring go to hell
Originally all human predestined chosen to go to heaven. Because God is love and don't want human go to hell.
But Adam disobeyed and some of his disobeyed offspring go to hell
Originally all human predestined chosen to go to heaven. Because God is love and don't want human go to hell.
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This is the logical outcome of Calvinism and their divine determinism.
You do realize those God chose to reprobate before the foundation were decreed reprobate before they had being ? What can a person possibly do before they exist?
So under calvinism we have people condemned to an eternity in hell for no other reason than God decided to send them there. And they call this the "doctrines of grace" that is a misnomer if I ever heard of one.
You do realize those God chose to reprobate before the foundation were decreed reprobate before they had being ? What can a person possibly do before they exist?
So under calvinism we have people condemned to an eternity in hell for no other reason than God decided to send them there. And they call this the "doctrines of grace" that is a misnomer if I ever heard of one.
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Whereas you will believe anything that comes from your calvinist group. You have sold out to a man made theology and drank the kool-aid. If you ever take the time to look at the logical outcome of your views than you should be as shocked by them as we bible believing Christians are.
Having read a number of your posts I find that you are will to impune the character of God so that you can promote your unbiblical views.
Having read a number of your posts I find that you are will to impune the character of God so that you can promote your unbiblical views.
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Calvin is so loud for a dead person who was shocked when he found out he did not make the cut
unrepentant scheming and murder is not given to salvation. David repented, when confronted and confronted because God loved him, but Calvin? I'm thinking not so much
Calvinists have come a courtin' in this forum over and over and always the same lines....zzzzzzzzzzz
Calvin is so loud for a dead person who was shocked when he found out he did not make the cut
unrepentant scheming and murder is not given to salvation. David repented, when confronted and confronted because God loved him, but Calvin? I'm thinking not so much
Calvinists have come a courtin' in this forum over and over and always the same lines....zzzzzzzzzzz
unrepentant scheming and murder is not given to salvation. David repented, when confronted and confronted because God loved him, but Calvin? I'm thinking not so much
Calvinists have come a courtin' in this forum over and over and always the same lines....zzzzzzzzzzz