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I don't know what you mean by "remitted", but I do know what the Bible says about our sins.
Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
As you may know, when "Scripture" is mentioned in the NT, it always refers to the OT. So even in the OT sins are forgiven on the basis of faith, or belief in the Messiah.
Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
As you may know, when "Scripture" is mentioned in the NT, it always refers to the OT. So even in the OT sins are forgiven on the basis of faith, or belief in the Messiah.
Do you think that believers can't be deceived?
btw, the verse in Matt 7 you noted isn't relevant to the issue of deception.
Just consider the very many doctrinal differences among evangelicals. Those who are wrong are certainly deceived. What else could they be?
They may be sincere, but they are nonetheless deceived.
All false teachings/doctrines are deceptions. All of them.
btw, the verse in Matt 7 you noted isn't relevant to the issue of deception.
Just consider the very many doctrinal differences among evangelicals. Those who are wrong are certainly deceived. What else could they be?
They may be sincere, but they are nonetheless deceived.
All false teachings/doctrines are deceptions. All of them.
No it isn't. It is just a made up word. It doesn't exist in the Bible. So prove your claim anyway.
Well, the Bible does. So that's why I do.
It seems a great many believers don't understand the difference. There is the indwelling of the Spirit, which means He resides INSIDE us. Then there is the filling, which is a command in Eph 5:18.
Do you think there are some commands that are not a "big deal"?? That would not be to your benefit. It would be reckless.
When the Bible gives believers a command, it is supposed to be obeyed.
Do you know how to be filled with the Spirit, even though you don't see any difference between indwelling and filling?
But then, how could you know how to be filled with the Spirit, since you admit that you don't see any difference.
Your posts don't make sense. Your comment had no relevance to my response to your earlier comment about "infilling", that made up word you said.
Well, the Bible does. So that's why I do.
It seems a great many believers don't understand the difference. There is the indwelling of the Spirit, which means He resides INSIDE us. Then there is the filling, which is a command in Eph 5:18.
Do you think there are some commands that are not a "big deal"?? That would not be to your benefit. It would be reckless.
When the Bible gives believers a command, it is supposed to be obeyed.
Do you know how to be filled with the Spirit, even though you don't see any difference between indwelling and filling?
But then, how could you know how to be filled with the Spirit, since you admit that you don't see any difference.
Your posts don't make sense. Your comment had no relevance to my response to your earlier comment about "infilling", that made up word you said.
Wansvic said:
You really should take the time to read the posts before responding.
I wonder why this poster is so snarky.
You really should take the time to read the posts before responding.
I wonder why this poster is so snarky.
I'd be happy if you disregard WHO the compliments came from. Look at the words that were said about you. Are they accurate? Are they true? did they speak of your good traits (rather than the weaker attributes)?" Did they speak of your virtues (good reasonings)? if so, then think on them REGARDLESS of who they're from.
Philippians 4:8 KJV
-Kelby
Philippians 4:8 KJV
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
-Kelby
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I've been here quite a while. This is just one of Wansvic's threads. We do interact elsewhere. I just didn't want to switch to email. I was answering the question of my thoughts honestly. Not my fault if that's too much for others to process.. lol
Have you considered the absurdity of the criticisms of my reply?? I was giving an honest answer....to the original poster... at their request...in THEIR thread. And people jumped all over it as if I was doing something out of line. Does that make sense to you? (please answer that honestly)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Have you considered the absurdity of the criticisms of my reply?? I was giving an honest answer....to the original poster... at their request...in THEIR thread. And people jumped all over it as if I was doing something out of line. Does that make sense to you? (please answer that honestly)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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This is a saddening concept but.... That's a bit like saying you disagree that Jesus would commission an apostle that would later turn away from truth and betray him. Think about it.... If Judas was a disciple of Jesus, he had been baptized.
Many do perish.
Many do perish.
fixed it for yah. n/c too
ain't I generous?
ain't I generous?
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So your interpretation of the scripture reads:
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of belief in Jesus and his shed blood.
I prefer to accept what the word of God actually says about the foundation. Since all will be judged by the word alone:
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of belief in Jesus and his shed blood.
I prefer to accept what the word of God actually says about the foundation. Since all will be judged by the word alone:
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb 6:1-2
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2 words you need to get a grip on principles and not.
How do we go_____on_____ to _______ perfection?
Do we STAY at the principles ( beginning,start) NOT laying again the foundation!
In house building a foundation is a structure from something very strong that can hold a great weight. Then building upon that foundation,a tall tall building can be constructed.
We don't need to lay the foundation every fifth floor.
Fulfillment of what Peter stated in Acts 10:43 occurred in Acts 10:47-48. Peter initially stated this in Acts 2:38. Those who believe in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection will be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin. Jesus sent Paul to Ananias who gave him the same instruction.
Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
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My main point is that the majority of believers reject what the bible says about water baptism; that obedience to it in the name of the Lord Jesus is when sins are remitted. Those who do believe the scripture means exactly what it says are labeled as deceived, and that's putting it nicely. According to Jesus in the beginning of Matthew chapter 7, the way of destruction is broad and the majority of humanity are going that way.
As for those in Matthew 7:23, they were indeed deceived. They clearly believed in Jesus and his teachings. However, their belief/knowing him had no bearing on whether Jesus knew them. Just prior to hearing the words no one wants to hear Jesus made a telling statement:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matt. 7:21
Obedience is not optional. Jesus is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him. (Heb. 5:9)
As for those in Matthew 7:23, they were indeed deceived. They clearly believed in Jesus and his teachings. However, their belief/knowing him had no bearing on whether Jesus knew them. Just prior to hearing the words no one wants to hear Jesus made a telling statement:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matt. 7:21
Obedience is not optional. Jesus is the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him. (Heb. 5:9)
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Acts 2:1-4
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10:45
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 10:45
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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That would be like suggesting faith in Jesus didn't keep Peter afloat as Peter walked on the water to Jesus.
Baptism would have done exactly as it is designed to do.. It would have produced a separation between him and his sins (which is why baptism is a part of repentance). But that doesn't prevent him from returning to sin and serving the Devil.
At that point his baptism would have become a condemnation to him because he had indeed been cleansed, and tasted of sin-free life, but decided he preferred sin. That's a hard concept but there's a reason why we're instructed to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" It's not this frivolous thing of "Well, I said this prayer, or believed this thing, or WAS BAPTISED and now I can do what I want with no consequences." You can still do what you want....but the consequences of turning away are not light. The passages that talk about that say the consequences are heavy indeed. Why do you think John was giving such a stern warning that they needed to bring forth the FRUITS of repentance, not just the words and initial action of baptism.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Baptism would have done exactly as it is designed to do.. It would have produced a separation between him and his sins (which is why baptism is a part of repentance). But that doesn't prevent him from returning to sin and serving the Devil.
At that point his baptism would have become a condemnation to him because he had indeed been cleansed, and tasted of sin-free life, but decided he preferred sin. That's a hard concept but there's a reason why we're instructed to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" It's not this frivolous thing of "Well, I said this prayer, or believed this thing, or WAS BAPTISED and now I can do what I want with no consequences." You can still do what you want....but the consequences of turning away are not light. The passages that talk about that say the consequences are heavy indeed. Why do you think John was giving such a stern warning that they needed to bring forth the FRUITS of repentance, not just the words and initial action of baptism.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
You err in your understanding of sin being forgiven. Upon repentance, a sinner isn't just forgiven for the sin he just committed, or the sin he committed yesterday, or the sin he will commit tomorrow (because you will and if you deny it, you are liar). The sinner is forgiven, not just the sins. The sinner, upon repentance and being born again, is literally transferred from death to life and given the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of inheritance. Jesus didn't just die for sins, He died for sinners. I hope you really let that sink in.
Judas was never a man of faith, clearly. The dunking was and is of none effect without repentance.
Judas was never a man of faith, clearly. The dunking was and is of none effect without repentance.
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