Are there legit arguments of why orthodox jews don't believe jesus to be the Messiah.

[pottersclay]

I have found that it's best to arm yourself with the word of God when you know what your up against.
Many christians fail in this matter and become silent when defending the faith.
We know in fact that there is a blindness that Jesus imposed on the Jewish people for not knowing their time of visitation but are there scriptures
that modern day rabbi have to back up their claim?
If so how would you answer them. What have you heard them teach? Can a rabbi teach us? Can you say you have a clear understanding in scripture without knowing the old testament?

 

[Gideon300]

I have found that it's best to arm yourself with the word of God when you know what your up against.
Many christians fail in this matter and become silent when defending the faith.
We know in fact that there is a blindness that Jesus imposed on the Jewish people for not knowing their time of visitation but are there scriptures
that modern day rabbi have to back up their claim?
If so how would you answer them. What have you heard them teach? Can a rabbi teach us? Can you say you have a clear understanding in scripture without knowing the old testament?

No. The problem is not the scriptures, it is their spiritual blindness. Lord Jesus made that clear with the disciples on the road to Emmaus. The OT is clear as day to those who can see. To those who cannot, nothing makes sense. The Jews problem was that they refused to accept God's salvation. In their arrogance and unbelief they demanded a "Messiah" who would restore Israel to its former glory. How could anyone turn on the One who healed the sick, cast out demons and raised the dead? Yet that's exactly what Israel did. 120 obeyed Lord Jesus and waited in the Upper Room. He appeared to 500 at one time. That's not a lot when you consider the vast number of people who saw the miracles and heard His teaching.

To add to the problem, Jewish leaders began to persecute the Christians. That's pretty typical of the religious types. They hate the freedom that Lord Jesus grants us. So God left them to their fate. Constant rebellion brought down the wrath of Rome. First came the destruction of the temple. That changed nothing, so 30 years later the nation was destroyed. You would think that Jews would rethink their opposition to God's true Messiah. A few have, but not the majority. I've been told that it is forbidden to read Isaiah 53 in Synagogues. I've yet to confirm that with Jew. Perhaps someone knows for sure. Isaiah 53 is a key prophecy regarding the Messiah, but it sure does not fit the picture that the Jews had, and still have.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I have found that it's best to arm yourself with the word of God when you know what your up against.
Many christians fail in this matter and become silent when defending the faith.
We know in fact that there is a blindness that Jesus imposed on the Jewish people for not knowing their time of visitation but are there scriptures
that modern day rabbi have to back up their claim?
If so how would you answer them. What have you heard them teach? Can a rabbi teach us? Can you say you have a clear understanding in scripture without knowing the old testament?

“But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


that was said to Jews by the messiah and they spread it into the earth. This is the effect of the ot of we don’t let the old order

“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭


Any jew who receives the gospel is going to sound like the apostles he is the culmination of what they were all promised should come

 

[Magenta]

No. The problem is not the scriptures, it is their spiritual blindness. Lord Jesus made that clear with the disciples on the road to Emmaus. The OT is clear as day to those who can see. To those who cannot, nothing makes sense. The Jews problem was that they refused to accept God's salvation. In their arrogance and unbelief they demanded a "Messiah" who would restore Israel to its former glory. How could anyone turn on the One who healed the sick, cast out demons and raised the dead? Yet that's exactly what Israel did. 120 obeyed Lord Jesus and waited in the Upper Room. He appeared to 500 at one time. That's not a lot when you consider the vast number of people who saw the miracles and heard His teaching.

To add to the problem, Jewish leaders began to persecute the Christians. That's pretty typical of the religious types. They hate the freedom that Lord Jesus grants us. So God left them to their fate. Constant rebellion brought down the wrath of Rome. First came the destruction of the temple. That changed nothing, so 30 years later the nation was destroyed. You would think that Jews would rethink their opposition to God's true Messiah. A few have, but not the majority. I've been told that it is forbidden to read Isaiah 53 in Synagogues. I've yet to confirm that with Jew. Perhaps someone knows for sure. Isaiah 53 is a key prophecy regarding the Messiah, but it sure does not fit the picture that the Jews had, and still have.

From Isaiah 53

 

[Nehemiah6]

We know in fact that there is a blindness that Jesus imposed on the Jewish people for not knowing their time of visitation but are there scriptures

Since there are no legitimate arguments, refusing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is simply wilful blindness.

 

[oyster67]

Are there legit arguments of why orthodox jews don't believe jesus to be the Messiah.


If you are asking if any Jew has a legitimate excuse for disbelief, the answer is "no".

After they had their Maker crucified, He rose again on the third day. All men shall be completely without excuse on Judgement Day.

Romans
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 

[pottersclay]

Since there are no legitimate arguments, refusing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is simply wilful blindness.

Wilful blindness???? Explain

Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

 

[pottersclay]

Ok let me give you a argument from the Torah that rabbi use often. Remembering that you cannot use new testament scripture to defend the faith against this scripture. Deuteronomy 24:16

“Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.

What must be explained is why this scripture does not apply to the Lord Jesus. What is usually followed by the rabbi is the well known verse "cursed is the man that hangs from a tree."

Looking forward to any answers

 

[pottersclay]

whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,

Above some of the verses of paul's preaching and teachings. But to the rabbi this is what comes to mind.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Just some of the arguments the rabbi have. Yes I do have a reason for posting this thread to be discussed later if this thread is of any interest to any.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,

Above some of the verses of paul's preaching and teachings. But to the rabbi this is what comes to mind.

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Just some of the arguments the rabbi have. Yes I do have a reason for posting this thread to be discussed later if this thread is of any interest to any.

if a rabbi or any jew or any gentile rejects Jesus as Christ messiah they have no way to speak to or hear from God they have no intercessor , no sacrifice , no high priest , no mediator between man and God

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Are you asking if there’s another different messiah to come that they know about ? I’m honestly lost in your question there’s just the one messiah he’s the fulfillment of their promises all along from This promise forward there’s a promise of the one messiah

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the messiah would be born of a woman , me he would destroy the serpent , but not before the serpent would strike his heel. The serpents power is crushed under the heel of Christ , but he was wounded for our transgressions suffering the strike to his heel but he rose up from the death wound of the poisonous viper

all of the mysterious promises of another to be born in the future all of them are a witness to Christ it begins there d the last promise of the messiah to come is in the end of the ot but all throughout it witnesses the one was coming the messiah who would crush satans power over man

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything in the Old Testament witnesses from Christs birth of a virgin , to his ascension to the right hand of God. The Jews looked at the ot like that was it nothing would ever change but always it was witnessed that they were waiting for this law from the messiah

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they couldn’t hear it because they were seeking after thier own righteousness through the mosaic law so they were blind to the light coming forth

the ot truly is about Jesus when he’s saying things like above there it’s him talking about being born and overcoming mans struggles giving them the truth of Gods word but israel didn’t see it they had been worshipping idols and angels and false gods throughout the ot they couldn’t hear God because most were looking elsewhere but the remnant received him and speed forth the kingdom into all nations for all people

 

[rayzor]

i heard this argument from someone who said [ 4 example gen 22:2 take now your only son Isaac] this is suppose to be a similitude of Jesus Now the problem with this is [he was not his first or only son Ishmael was gen 16:11 these r the kind of reasoning they give,that is the jews

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Wilful blindness???? Explain

Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

if you were a Jew in Jesus day and had studied prophecy , and all the sudden this man is healing the blind , raising the dead , speaking wisdom no one else could answer . If he spoke and the wind ceased , he spoke and the seas calmed , if he spoke and dead men stood up and ate dinner later , if he called to a dead girl and she stood up

if he fed thousands with a few fish , if he walked in water and so on after the story of the messiah in their scriptures and then you spent the whole time trying to trap him in his words so you could kill him by accusing him of the law

it’s pretty willful to not break and believe it’s the one who is fulfilling all those scriptures you had studied

the Old Testament holds everything we need to recognize who Jesus is , what he has done for us , and where he is now and all the purposes for all it. If the law and prophets don’t convince ot believers of Christ nothing will even a dead man going to them

 

[Pilgrimshope]

i heard this argument from someone who said [ 4 example gen 22:2 take now your only son Isaac] this is suppose to be a similitude of Jesus Now the problem with this is [he was not his first or only son Ishmael was gen 16:11 these r the kind of reasoning they give,that is the jews

yeah that’s the point God didn’t recognize ishmael because ishmael was cast out when Isaac was born that event represents this it actually shows us the covenants and how seperate they really are

“For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:22-26, 28, 30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

ishmael isn’t made of Gods promise but Sarai’s doubt so he isn’t recognized as the son and was cast out of Abraham’s house by the time Isaac was sacrificed he had been cast away but blessed temporally with 12 princes and a single nation but isaac was the source of the eternal covenant

“After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:1, 3-6‬ ‭

that’s what Abraham believed but this is what happened to produce ishmael Sarai doubted and intervened by her will

“And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.( just like Adam )

And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭16:2, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods plan though is here after that doubt he would provide the true heir by faith in what he said through the newly named Abraham and Sarah this is after ishmael was already born and circumcised

“And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:3-5, 7, 15-16, 18-21‬ ‭


ishmael represents the old covenant that was cast out of Abraham’s house by Gods blessing making sure he could not partake in the inheritance of Isaac the promise representing Christ so that is actually the answer of the covenant when he sacrificed Isaac by faith

“And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

answered here not by the ram that appeared but here by faith

“And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Isaac is the ot figure of Christ regarding Abraham and source of the promised new covenant that is about heaven not the dust but the stars above

“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:17-19‬ ‭

Ishmael wasn’t recognized because he wasn’t born of Gods word but Sarai’s doubt

 

[rayzor]

אֶת־בִּנְךָ that part et is never translated it read [perfect son] not only son.Its the alph omega of the old testament

 

[Pilgrimshope]

אֶת־בִּנְךָ that part et is never translated it read [perfect son] not only son.Its the alph omega of the old testament

actually Jesus is the alpha and omega of all time but the point is that ishmael was born of mans doing and own design Sarai came up with the idea to send Abram into Hagar Gods promise was already made for the hier. It because of her age and Barron womb she had no faith and tried to provide what God already promised

like the Old Testament of you notice there’s a constant figure of not the first born son , but the second being the chosen

not Cain the firstborn , but abel the second , not ishmael the firstborn , but Isaac the second born , not esau the firstborn of Isaac but Jacob the second born is blessed

the firstborn is always rejected esau was hated before birth and Jacob loved before birth. That’s testifying that the first covenant was going to be cast out when the promise had come

ishmael moly isn’t recognized past his own blessing of a single troubled nation with 12 princes

his covenant the reason Paul reckons it to ishmael is just as ishmael was born after God spoke and man doubted so israel did the same . God spoke the Ten Commandments this being the first commandment

“And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after God finished speaking the commandments the people were so afraid of Gods word and appearance of fire and flame , they begged Moses to go hear him and then tell them what he said

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.

Go thou near, and hear all that the Lord our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the Lord our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25, 27‬ ‭

as soon as Moses did that they made Aaron build a golden calf and bowed down and worshipped it and gave the credit for saving them to it violating the first commandment of Gods word and envoked the response he already told them. Would happen this is how he reacted

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭32:7-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses then interceded but you see how the same as ishmael the covenant went south uo front because they doubted what God said as soon as Moses left thier sight they lost faith and ishmael is a figure of that covenant is why Paul is teaching that allegory

only Isaac was recognized because it’s always been about the eternal covenant promises not the temporal ones about the heavens and not the earth

 

[Jocund]

Why don't they believe in Jesus Christ?

Have you read the Talmud? You'll know why if you do.

 

[pottersclay]

if a rabbi or any jew or any gentile rejects Jesus as Christ messiah they have no way to speak to or hear from God they have no intercessor , no sacrifice , no high priest , no mediator between man and God

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Are you asking if there’s another different messiah to come that they know about ? I’m honestly lost in your question there’s just the one messiah he’s the fulfillment of their promises all along from This promise forward there’s a promise of the one messiah

“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the messiah would be born of a woman , me he would destroy the serpent , but not before the serpent would strike his heel. The serpents power is crushed under the heel of Christ , but he was wounded for our transgressions suffering the strike to his heel but he rose up from the death wound of the poisonous viper

all of the mysterious promises of another to be born in the future all of them are a witness to Christ it begins there d the last promise of the messiah to come is in the end of the ot but all throughout it witnesses the one was coming the messiah who would crush satans power over man

“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭3:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything in the Old Testament witnesses from Christs birth of a virgin , to his ascension to the right hand of God. The Jews looked at the ot like that was it nothing would ever change but always it was witnessed that they were waiting for this law from the messiah

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people. My righteousness is near; my salvation is gone forth, and mine arms shall judge the people; the isles shall wait upon me, and on mine arm shall they trust.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they couldn’t hear it because they were seeking after thier own righteousness through the mosaic law so they were blind to the light coming forth

the ot truly is about Jesus when he’s saying things like above there it’s him talking about being born and overcoming mans struggles giving them the truth of Gods word but israel didn’t see it they had been worshipping idols and angels and false gods throughout the ot they couldn’t hear God because most were looking elsewhere but the remnant received him and speed forth the kingdom into all nations for all people

Love what you have wrote here saint and no I'm not saying there's another messiah.
What iam trying to show is some of the positions the modern day rabbi have taken.
Also to show what jesus and the apostles were up against. As well as many Messianic jews of today.
These are just a few of the many debates that are found in modern day Israel today.
Few christians even know of the danger it is for a jew to believe in jesus especially living in Israel.
Here in the United States freedom of religion (and there are many religions) are protected by law.
For the most part religious freedom has been unchallenged and tolerated.
But that is soon to change as you see the times and events taking place today.
The Jewish people are very family oriented not only for their own relatives but to one another for being jewish.
Now imagine living in a jewish state where even the government is Jewish for the most part and observe the Torah.
For one to believe in Christ could be and are exiles from family and friends. Disowned, mocked and ridiculed even to the point of being killed.
And yet they are chosen by God and are the example to all the nations.
We are called to preach the gospel....first to the jew ...then the gentile...and to all the world which brings us back to this thread.
How would you defend the faith and answer the rabbi of today?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Love what you have wrote here saint and no I'm not saying there's another messiah.
What iam trying to show is some of the positions the modern day rabbi have taken.
Also to show what jesus and the apostles were up against. As well as many Messianic jews of today.
These are just a few of the many debates that are found in modern day Israel today.
Few christians even know of the danger it is for a jew to believe in jesus especially living in Israel.
Here in the United States freedom of religion (and there are many religions) are protected by law.
For the most part religious freedom has been unchallenged and tolerated.
But that is soon to change as you see the times and events taking place today.
The Jewish people are very family oriented not only for their own relatives but to one another for being jewish.
Now imagine living in a jewish state where even the government is Jewish for the most part and observe the Torah.
For one to believe in Christ could be and are exiles from family and friends. Disowned, mocked and ridiculed even to the point of being killed.
And yet they are chosen by God and are the example to all the nations.
We are called to preach the gospel....first to the jew ...then the gentile...and to all the world which brings us back to this thread.
How would you defend the faith and answer the rabbi of today?

Oookay I understand now what the purpose of this is I’m sometimes a little slow 😁

I think it’s clear how I would personally answer a jew who is cling to Judaism still I would follow Paul’s example and preach and convice them of Christ from the scriptures that they are first willing to accept the law of Moses and prophets and psalms

I would first off show then that Moses in the law itself promised that another would come greater and with more authority than Moses could ever possess

I would show them when israel requested that God spoke no more his word to them and set Moses at mediation between , God homeless thier rewuest and promised another word to come later

the. Would go about through the prophets Isaiah 52-53 Isaiah 49 and so on but my main point would focus on Abram and abraham in that Abram was promised a great nation and later Abraham would be the father of many nations mans that all families of the earth would be blessed through his promosed seed

I would focus on the original promises to abraham both for the single nation that went into captivity later came out , and was led into the promised land based not on thier behavior but Gids faithfulness to Abram the Hebrew . Even though none of them held up thier bargain he delivered them into abrams promised land for his descendants

the. Would show them how israel rejected continually God and worshipped continually other gods and all the times Gkd warned them and warned them . Eventually it would lead me to malichi 3-4 and then the gospels

I personally believe that the issue is one that is hard to crack , israel for the entire ot believed it was only them they were chosen better than all the rest but that wasn’t it God was only honoring Abraham his friend and the promise he made

the jew had a separatist law that made them better than other gentile nations in their eyes but they never brought it into fruition they were chosen because of abraham but his promise was only the land after that they began being destroyed by thier sins and was eventually cast out ofnisrael and soijoirn the earth still today there temple was actually the body of Jesus that the crucified and destroyed

the law creates a perception of what we see the flesh ordinances do this don’t eat that , they literally had to be looking at something to believe it no faith the law doesn’t create it donors hard to get them to look into the unseen

 

[Icedaisey]

I have found that it's best to arm yourself with the word of God when you know what your up against.
Many christians fail in this matter and become silent when defending the faith.
We know in fact that there is a blindness that Jesus imposed on the Jewish people for not knowing their time of visitation but are there scriptures
that modern day rabbi have to back up their claim?
If so how would you answer them. What have you heard them teach? Can a rabbi teach us? Can you say you have a clear understanding in scripture without knowing the old testament?

In short, when Messiah comes there is suppose to be world peace.
That's one reason.

 

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In short, when Messiah comes there is suppose to be world peace.
That's one reason.

It should be noted also that at the time of Jesus' trial before the authorities of the temple and the gathered Jews, that they cursed themselves and their future generations for all time for wanting Jesus to be murdered by Rome through crucifixion. This is partly why there are those teachings that are referred to as, replacement theology.
I.E. because of this betrayal of God, Gentiles replaced Jews as God's Elect.

Matthew 27 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but that instead a riot was breaking out, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood, ” he said. “You bear the responsibility.”
All the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!”