predestination vs freewill

[OIC1965]

Second adam born not of the law but of grace?

What I see is dead in Adam, raised to life in Christ. Before we were saved, we were in Adam. When we believe we are United with Christ. We were crucified with Him, raised with Him spiritually, and will bear the heavenly image in the resurrection.

That’s what I read. If you disagree, we can agree to disagree.

 

[OIC1965]

the law is like the forbidden fruit desired to make one wise.Yet a stumbling block to many.new and old testament

We are dead to the Law, you are correct in that. Also, The Law reveals sin like a mirror so that we can flee to the Great Physician and healer of souls.

Peace.

 

[rayzor]

shalom a like him = peace be onto u

 

[OIC1965]

shalom a like him = peace be onto u

Peace to you and yours as well. Praying for you and everyone else over there. May the Lord be your shield.

 

[Icedaisey]

See also Romans 7:14

Posting verses without explanation as to your understanding isn't helpful to this discussion.

 

[Icedaisey]

Show me where Paul mention Eve in 1 Corinthians 15, and I’ll discuss it.

Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the second Eve. Eve was there to witness Adam's fall, Mary was there to give birth to and witness the second Adam's birth and humanities rise.

 

[Icedaisey]

See also Psalm 58:3

Yes, but what does that verse mean to you? What is it saying in relation to your posting it to answer my prior observation?

 

[Icedaisey]

Where do you want the cutoff point to be?

Why not leave that to God and speak gospel to them even from the womb?

Do you believe a baby needs to be saved?

 

[Icedaisey]

No, Jesus did not teach soul sleep.

The answers you are asking me for are in those very texts. Every human is either in Adam or in Christ.

If you remain in Adam, you will perish

If you are in Christ, you will never perish.

Federal Headship.

1 Corinthians 15:22. Jesus is our federal head in Salvation.

 

[OIC1965]

Posting verses without explanation as to your understanding isn't helpful to this discussion.

The verses I post are very clear, especially when read in context. God’s word is better than our opinions.

 

[OIC1965]

Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the second Eve. Eve was there to witness Adam's fall, Mary was there to give birth to and witness the second Adam's birth and humanities rise.

Is that what 1 Corinthians 15: 21-22 teaches?

I don’t see any reference or even allusion to Mary in the text.

 

[OIC1965]

Yes, but what does that verse mean to you? What is it saying in relation to your posting it to answer my prior observation?

It means precisely what it says. There is no hidden meaning in the verse.

 

[OIC1965]

1 Corinthians 15:22. Jesus is our federal head in Salvation.

Amen. We agree on that. And Adam was our federal head before we were in Christ. We died in Adam and were raised in Christ.

 

[rayzor]

he being met·a·phor·i·cal those that can't understand metaphors are considered to have a handy cap.

 

[OIC1965]

Yes, but what does that verse mean to you? What is it saying in relation to your posting it to answer my prior observation?

What does the verse say about the condition man is born in?

 

[rayzor]

from totality [ice cold] what does the toe say about the rest of the body?[sometimes nothing]

 

[rayzor]

we where born into a body that would one day die.

 

[Kidron]

It's one thing to claim Christ. It's quite another as to whether or not we speak as if he knows us and we know him.

Here is the reality.
God knows everyone who is born again.
How can He not, as they are a SON<
If not, and you die, then you get this.....>"Depart from me, i never KNEW you". and that verse is speaking to spiritual pretenders who play a game of Christianity, but have never known the new birth.

Jesus said....."you must be born again".

 

[OIC1965]

Do you believe a baby needs to be saved?

No. But I believe in raising children in the Word.

 

[OIC1965]

Yes, but what does that verse mean to you? What is it saying in relation to your posting it to answer my prior observation?

It doesn’t matter what it means to me. What matters is what the author meant and intended, both what God and the man He used meant.

Almost always there were be one interpretation, though there are many applications of a text. The only time there is more than one meaning is in dual fulfillment prophecies.