Saved by Water

[eternally-gratefull]

That does not negate the requirement of baptism....just as it does not negate the need for repentance.
That does not negate Acts 2;38, et al.
Study scripture and do not be miss led by new age religion teachings.

So we should revert to your old age religion of works. And become no better than the jews?

No thank you

 

[Hakawaka]

Jews considered Gentiles to be "far off" in relation to God. And they considered themselves as being "near". Read Eph 2 where Paul addresses that.

The promise is salvation, btw. And THAT IS to the entire human race. Titus 2:11

Of course everyone has the same plan of salvation

How foolish would it be to "get saved" by saying a sinner's prayer and then refuse to get water baptized?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You cannot be baptized by the Holy Spirit unless you have repented of your sins and been water baptized.
Start your study with Acts 2;38.

Wrong.

Unless your baptised by the HS your still dead in your sin.

You can get baptized in water all you want. You will just get wet

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Don't tell me you are going to maintain that repentance isn't necessary either.

You can’t have rue faith unless you change your thinking (repent)

when will you repent?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul's teaching has nothing to do with the requirements of baptism. We must keep elements of scripture in context. There are several, including Acts 2;38 which requires baptism to complete the sin cleansing process.
Any other teaching is changing the Bible meaning and intent and is in violation Rev 22; 18,19 as well as the same repeated in 2 other books of the Bible...that we have no authority to change the Bible meaning and if we do all the wrath of God will be on our heads.

Acts 2: 38 does not require baptism

as has been shown so many times. Peter only told those who repented and recieved the spirit to get baptized because they recieved remission of sin.

The greek does not say what many think it says

 

[FreeGrace2]

Of course everyone has the same plan of salvation

How foolish would it be to "get saved" by saying a sinner's prayer and then refuse to get water baptized?

There are many foolish people out there. Simon the sorcerer was one such person. He wanted to buy the gift of laying on of hands to impart the Holy Spirit to others. And he believed and was baptized just like the rest of the people who responded to Philip's message.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Wrong.

Unless your baptised by the HS your still dead in your sin.

You can get baptized in water all you want. You will just get wet

Well, he might just get some dirt off his body. 1 Pet 3:21

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course everyone has the same plan of salvation

How foolish would it be to "get saved" by saying a sinner's prayer and then refuse to get water baptized?

The fooLish thing to say is one must say a sinners prayer and get water baptized to be saved,

i mean why do any other works if this is all we need to do?

Why go to church, why pray without ceasing, why take the lords supper. Why do anything? Your saved by your one act and you can go live however you want.

 

[JBTN]

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I'm glad you have researched this out. But people who have not studied Koine Greek, or for that matter, any other language, falter in these so-called word-for-word translations. (Which are not even possible because Greek uses cases and the word order has to change in order for it to make sense in English!) my Greek teacher for 2 years was Bill Mounce, who is one of the top translators in the world, we used his material in seminary, and the second course I took online with Dr. Mounce.

The other important thing he says, is that Koine (common) Greek was a language in transition. The prepositions in particular, are very fluid. "Eis" is one that has different meanings, because it was an older word, being replaced by "en." The gloss, I would agree, is "into." But a glossary in a grammar book notes that eis is "into, in, among." Seriously, "into" is a word that is dying in English, so there is no need to pin it down as only meaning "into." Learn the Greek alphabet, then get Bauer, or BDAG, the best Greek lexicon. Then you can the full means of words. The alphabet isn't hard, and when you use it a bit, you will remember it.

Just because a translation translates a word a certain way, doesn't mean it is right. Some Bibles, like the ESV follow the "KJ tradition," meaning that the rely heavily upon an older translations. Looking it up in multiple modern translations can help to pin down the meaning. Sometimes a certain passage uses the preposition in the same way in every translation. Other times, things get more slippery. This might be a case where eis = into. I'll leave that to you to figure out. Just be careful about flatly translating. And if you are really interested in Greek, which I always was, study it, either in a class or online. You will be amazed at what you learn.

"Πέτρος δὲ [a]πρὸς αὐτούς· Μετανοήσατε, καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν [c]τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν [d]ὑμῶν, καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος·" Acts 2:38

For example:

"Peter said to them, “Repent, and each one of you be baptized[a] in the name of Jesus Christ for[c] the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38 NET

The NET basically used "for" for, for eis. The NET Bible is renowned for its its 60,000 footnotes [c] is attached here. As you can see, it is much more complicated translating it, than you make it to be in your post.

"Acts 2:38 tn There is debate over the meaning of εἰς in the prepositional phrase εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν (eis aphesin tōn hamartiōn humōn, “for/because of/with reference to the forgiveness of your sins”). Although a causal sense has been argued, it is difficult to maintain here. ExSyn 369-71 discusses at least four other ways of dealing with the passage: (1) The baptism referred to here is physical only, and εἰς has the meaning of “for” or “unto.” Such a view suggests that salvation is based on works—an idea that runs counter to the theology of Acts, namely: (a) repentance often precedes baptism (cf. Acts 3:19; 26:20), and (b) salvation is entirely a gift of God, not procured via water baptism (Acts 10:43 [cf. v. 47]; 13:38-39, 48; 15:11; 16:30-31; 20:21; 26:18); (2) The baptism referred to here is spiritual only. Although such a view fits well with the theology of Acts, it does not fit well with the obvious meaning of “baptism” in Acts—especially in this text (cf. 2:41); (3) The text should be repunctuated in light of the shift from second person plural to third person singular back to second person plural again. The idea then would be, “Repent for/with reference to your sins, and let each one of you be baptized…” Such a view is an acceptable way of handling εἰς, but its subtlety and awkwardness count against it; (4) Finally, it is possible that to a first-century Jewish audience (as well as to Peter), the idea of baptism might incorporate both the spiritual reality and the physical symbol. That Peter connects both closely in his thinking is clear from other passages such as Acts 10:47 and 11:15-16. If this interpretation is correct, then Acts 2:38 is saying very little about the specific theological relationship between the symbol and the reality, only that historically they were viewed together. One must look in other places for a theological analysis. For further discussion see R. N. Longenecker, “Acts,” EBC 9:283-85; B. Witherington, Acts, 154-55; F. F. Bruce, The Acts of the Apostles: The Greek Text with Introduction and Commentary, 129-30; BDAG 290 s.v. εἰς 4.f." NET

You can access all the footnotes in Biblegateway.com, for free! And if you are interested in Greek, don't rely in Concordances, but learn the alphabet and get a good quality lexicon, like Bauer, BDAG, which is what Biblical scholars use, and tax some classes!

Thanks Angela. Really appreciate hearing from you on things like this.

 

[peldom10]

Thats not grace my freind

Thats works.

we are saved BY GRACE, through faith.

not BY faith plus baptism,

Did anyone ever tell you...you are just wrong with scripture.

If not allow me.

 

[peldom10]

The fooLish thing to say is one must say a sinners prayer and get water baptized to be saved,

i mean why do any other works if this is all we need to do?

Why go to church, why pray without ceasing, why take the lords supper. Why do anything? Your saved by your one act and you can go live however you want.

Who said that is all we need to do?
You can not hide behind that spin.

Where you are wrong with scripture is....mixing preparation of the soul status....repentance process...with the availability process.

 

[peldom10]

So we should revert to your old age religion of works. And become no better than the jews?

No thank you

You are trying to hide your new age religion teaching behind something that does not associate with the act of baptism.
Good luck on that one.

Please show me a sample of your teaching re; baptism, recorded before 1960?

 

[peldom10]

Acts 2: 38 does not require baptism

as has been shown so many times. Peter only told those who repented and recieved the spirit to get baptized because they recieved remission of sin.

The greek does not say what many think it says

That is a violation of Revelation 22; 18,19 and two other like book warnings....we are not to change the intent and meaning of scripture.

You are violating all three.

Show me where being baptized is a works? I guess you are also saying repentance is works...? How about living a righteous life are you saying that is works?
PS....If you choose to study the Bible you will find that ...faith without works is dead. (another issue)

 

[JBTN]

You are trying to hide your new age religion teaching behind something that does not associate with the act of baptism.
Good luck on that one.

Please show me a sample of your teaching re; baptism, recorded before 1960?

“Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:1‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1.ESV

“I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.13.ESV

“To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:43‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/act.10.43.ESV

 

[FreeGrace2]

You are trying to hide your new age religion teaching behind something that does not associate with the act of baptism.
Good luck on that one.

Please show me a sample of your teaching re; baptism, recorded before 1960?

The Bible itself shows that water baptism is a command for those already born again. There are NO verses that teach baptismal regeneration. Both regeneration and salvation occur together, and both are THROUGH FAITH. Eph 2:5,8.

 

[peldom10]

The Bible itself shows that water baptism is a command for those already born again. There are NO verses that teach baptismal regeneration. Both regeneration and salvation occur together, and both are THROUGH FAITH. Eph 2:5,8.

Who said anything about the point you mention? I think I missed it.

Repentance is the 1st step in becoming born again.

 

[Icedaisey]

There is no water baptism in the below story . . . not a drop. Peter and John were teaching at night . . . yet many men, not counting women and children believed and were added to the "number" that day. Where is the water, and why isn't it mentioned?

Acts 4:1-4 NLT - "While Peter and John were speaking to the people, they were confronted by the priests, the captain of the Temple guard, and some of the Sadducees. These leaders were very disturbed that Peter and John were teaching the people that through Jesus there is a resurrection of the dead. They arrested them and, since it was already evening, put them in jail until morning. 4 But many of the people who heard their message believed it, so the number of believers now totaled about 5,000 men, not counting women and children."

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

You don't know that those referred to in Acts 4 were not later baptized. For Jews in those times and those today the Mikveh was familiar already to them. Baptism was easily understood due to that foreknowledge.
Acts 2:41 Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.

 

[peldom10]

It seems the major points in scripture is waning in some's minds......so here is help;

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,....

You don't know that those referred to in Acts 4 were not later baptized. For Jews in those times and those today the Mikveh was familiar already to them. Baptism was easily understood due to that foreknowledge.
Acts 2:41 Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.

Let us consider other scripture messages requiring baptism;
Baptism is Required


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.....

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Roman 6;3.... Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Mark16;16.... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.....

Also Acts 2;38..Repent and be baptized....

Many others

 

[peldom10]

It seems the major points in scripture is waning in some's minds......so here is help;


Let us consider other scripture messages requiring baptism;
Baptism is Required


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us.....

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.{


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Roman 6;3.... Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Mark16;16.... He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.....

Also Acts 2;38..Repent and be baptized....

Many others.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Who said anything about the point you mention? I think I missed it.

Repentance is the 1st step in becoming born again.

Please define "repent".