Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people
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It's a good trick of the spiritual enemy, that one. Mastered in the art of denial, whilst at the same time mastered in the art of passing the buck. That's also a well rehearsed gift in these very forums sadly. You've failed that test miserably.
Many do sadly, It's because they won't listen to Good sound advice on how to identify spiritual oppression, and think there untouchable and can never be oppressed, or their thoughts tricked by a demon cherubim energy vampire.
The enemy hopes that you engage with them by offending you, in the hope that you become offended, I've heard it over and over again, the enemy is quite good at sneaking up you and gaining your support to, before the enemy sucks you in to take part in bleeding somebody else dry. Energy vampires are what demon (cherubim) are.
Many do sadly, It's because they won't listen to Good sound advice on how to identify spiritual oppression, and think there untouchable and can never be oppressed, or their thoughts tricked by a demon cherubim energy vampire.
The enemy hopes that you engage with them by offending you, in the hope that you become offended, I've heard it over and over again, the enemy is quite good at sneaking up you and gaining your support to, before the enemy sucks you in to take part in bleeding somebody else dry. Energy vampires are what demon (cherubim) are.
I had a feeling you would spit my invitation of reconciliation right back at me, but thought you may not, so it looks like you've taken me of your ignore list just to re ignore me in every way then. How come you have taken me of your ignore list then, because last time we spoke you said I'm of to your ignore list. Was it, so you can jump on the bandwagon of singling people out as you normally do,
You'll soon gain support i would imagine there seems to be a few well rehearsed insulting people like you in this thread.
You'll soon gain support i would imagine there seems to be a few well rehearsed insulting people like you in this thread.
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8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. 14 This is why it is said:
“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”
15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.
Ephesians 5
the devil is a defeated foe. a liar and the truth is not in him. praise God! Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life
“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”
15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.
Ephesians 5
the devil is a defeated foe. a liar and the truth is not in him. praise God! Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life
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You aren't going to reach those without the eyes to see.
Someone crosses out every word in your post while violating the scriptures they claim to believe as they use careless words and assail you personally, is writing their own testimony as an unbeliever.
Everything you've noted is in God's words, right?
Everything I've observed is too. You'll encounter many a person who believes in their own Sophistry.
God is the creator of all that exists no matter what it is that does exist. God is the darkness and the light, the evil and the good. Isaiah 45. God predestined, predestinated, predetermined, all that occurs due to his will and plan. You're not responsible for changing the minds of those who do that. God is. And in the end he tells you, me, and them, we shall answer for every careless word we speak.
Those who call us names, use insulting language, etc... Need Christ.
Stay strong in the faith. All else is God's way of teaching you his next lesson. (And me too of course).
Someone crosses out every word in your post while violating the scriptures they claim to believe as they use careless words and assail you personally, is writing their own testimony as an unbeliever.
Everything you've noted is in God's words, right?
Everything I've observed is too. You'll encounter many a person who believes in their own Sophistry.
God is the creator of all that exists no matter what it is that does exist. God is the darkness and the light, the evil and the good. Isaiah 45. God predestined, predestinated, predetermined, all that occurs due to his will and plan. You're not responsible for changing the minds of those who do that. God is. And in the end he tells you, me, and them, we shall answer for every careless word we speak.
Those who call us names, use insulting language, etc... Need Christ.
Stay strong in the faith. All else is God's way of teaching you his next lesson. (And me too of course).
Wrong. Anyone who has witnessed a debate between Christians and those who are KJV only faithful know this.
Errors in the King James Bible - Bible Study
Earth is not flat.
Matthew 13:31-32 For first century farmers the Brassica nigra seed, black mustard seed, was the smallest seed. But it isn't the smallest seed on earth.
The smallest seed on earth is that of the orchid called Aerides odorata .
Errors in the King James Bible - Bible Study
Earth is not flat.
Matthew 13:31-32 For first century farmers the Brassica nigra seed, black mustard seed, was the smallest seed. But it isn't the smallest seed on earth.
The smallest seed on earth is that of the orchid called Aerides odorata .
Irony. You do that very thing. As do others here.
You should do more research. Such as looking to Bible Scholars and what they've discerned in studying the history of the Bible.
I'll say this, if you can only believe in God because the Bible tells you to, God tells you you're on the wrong track. Psalm 146
God preceded the Bible. And Jesus teachings preceded the publication of the New Testament.
Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
If God were to take back his spirit and withdraw his breath, all life would cease, and humanity would turn again to dust. – Job 34:14-15
You should do more research. Such as looking to Bible Scholars and what they've discerned in studying the history of the Bible.
I'll say this, if you can only believe in God because the Bible tells you to, God tells you you're on the wrong track. Psalm 146
God preceded the Bible. And Jesus teachings preceded the publication of the New Testament.
Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
If God were to take back his spirit and withdraw his breath, all life would cease, and humanity would turn again to dust. – Job 34:14-15
It's perfectly clear that God allows all sorts of evil. He deals with it all in His own timing, I.E the Genesis Flood and burning Sodom alive. The Devil's and demons' time is coming soon.
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
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Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder."
Isaiah 45:7"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things."
Isaiah 49:26 I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh, and they shall be drunk with their own blood as with wine. Then all flesh shall know that I am the Lord your Savior, and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
Exodus 12:29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock.
What about the killing of children because they made fun of his prophet?
2 Kings 2:23-24 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
2 Samuel 24:15 So the Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from the morning until the appointed time. And there died of the people from Dan to Beersheba 70,000 men
Romans 13:1-14 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
Isaiah 45:7"I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things."
Isaiah 49:26 I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh, and they shall be drunk with their own blood as with wine. Then all flesh shall know that I am the Lord your Savior, and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
Exodus 12:29 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the livestock.
What about the killing of children because they made fun of his prophet?
2 Kings 2:23-24 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys.
1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
2 Samuel 24:15 So the Lord sent a pestilence on Israel from the morning until the appointed time. And there died of the people from Dan to Beersheba 70,000 men
Romans 13:1-14 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
John 8:44
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies
romans 13:8-14 Love Fulfills the Law
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
The Day Is Near
11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.[c]
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.
You contradict yourself.
First off, there is no need to look to Bible Scholars. Have you not read Psalms 32:8 and the many other scriptures where God says to look straight to him and he will teach you.
The Bible is spiritually discerned. One must be born again and have the indwelling Spirit of God to understand the scriptures.
You can't read through it like some college text book to get understanding from it. It is spiritually discerned.
I'll say this, if you believe in Jesus and have been born again and have the Spirit you will also believe in the Word of God.
Once again the scripture is not some natural text book. It is alive and active.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. For the word of God is alive and active.
We also know faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word. Romans 10
Also, 2 Timothy 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
The Spirit doesn't go against the Word of God. The Spirit teaches us to discern and understand the Word of God. There are no contradictions in the Word of God. I question anyone who thinks that there are contradictions or advocates against the Word of God in anyway.
There are checks and balances. The Spirit lines up with the Word of God. It never goes against it. Anyone who thinks it does is listening to and entertaining a wrong spirit.
Now that's the facts.
First off, there is no need to look to Bible Scholars. Have you not read Psalms 32:8 and the many other scriptures where God says to look straight to him and he will teach you.
The Bible is spiritually discerned. One must be born again and have the indwelling Spirit of God to understand the scriptures.
You can't read through it like some college text book to get understanding from it. It is spiritually discerned.
I'll say this, if you believe in Jesus and have been born again and have the Spirit you will also believe in the Word of God.
Once again the scripture is not some natural text book. It is alive and active.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. For the word of God is alive and active.
We also know faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word. Romans 10
Also, 2 Timothy 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
The Spirit doesn't go against the Word of God. The Spirit teaches us to discern and understand the Word of God. There are no contradictions in the Word of God. I question anyone who thinks that there are contradictions or advocates against the Word of God in anyway.
There are checks and balances. The Spirit lines up with the Word of God. It never goes against it. Anyone who thinks it does is listening to and entertaining a wrong spirit.
Now that's the facts.
Wrong. Anyone who has witnessed a debate between Christians and those who are KJV only faithful know this.
Errors in the King James Bible - Bible Study
Earth is not flat.
Matthew 13:31-32 For first century farmers the Brassica nigra seed, black mustard seed, was the smallest seed. But it isn't the smallest seed on earth.
The smallest seed on earth is that of the orchid called Aerides odorata .
Errors in the King James Bible - Bible Study
Earth is not flat.
Matthew 13:31-32 For first century farmers the Brassica nigra seed, black mustard seed, was the smallest seed. But it isn't the smallest seed on earth.
The smallest seed on earth is that of the orchid called Aerides odorata .
Sorry to be so blunt....but it is what it.
God gave His Word to prophets to write down. First scribes kept the copies fresh by writing the writings again and again in order to keep them fresh. There would have been a severe punishment were any scribe to dare alter the writings, so it is faitly certain they were kept well.
From Jesus Yeshua until know, the writings are attributed to the Disciples and Paul.
There have been noted many errors in certain words, but nothing that takes away from the central message of the Old and New Testaments,s that is, the Godpel of Jesus Yeshua..
It is incumbant upon those who study the Word to rely upon thee Holy Spirit and not the myraiad of those allied to the same number of sects which have been formed by men since Jesus . The mere fact they all disagree and each has its own title apart from the faith of Abraham should tell all ... all.
Ergo, to rely upon men who write critiques and essays, and thesisi, and, oh no, denominational writings is simply insanity. Put intellectuals there too.
From Jesus Yeshua until know, the writings are attributed to the Disciples and Paul.
There have been noted many errors in certain words, but nothing that takes away from the central message of the Old and New Testaments,s that is, the Godpel of Jesus Yeshua..
It is incumbant upon those who study the Word to rely upon thee Holy Spirit and not the myraiad of those allied to the same number of sects which have been formed by men since Jesus . The mere fact they all disagree and each has its own title apart from the faith of Abraham should tell all ... all.
Ergo, to rely upon men who write critiques and essays, and thesisi, and, oh no, denominational writings is simply insanity. Put intellectuals there too.
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Not a Calvinist.
But, lets look at what you charge against him. To be correct, Jesus would not have uttered a word related to what John Calvin, and before him, Augustine, had said. They were teaching about Christ after all.
TULIP
T- Total Depravity -....the view that sinfulness pervades all areas of life and human existence. Through the Fall of Man, humanity is stained by sin in every aspect: heart, emotions, will, mind, and body. This means people cannot independently choose God. They cannot save themselves. God must intervene to save people.
Bible:John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
can=
1410. dunamai =
dunamai: to be able, to have power
Original Word: δύναμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dunamai
Phonetic Spelling: (doo'-nam-ahee)
Definition: to be able, to have power
Usage: (a) I am powerful, have (the) power, (b) I am able, I can.
U - Stands for Unconditional Election
God chooses who will be saved. Because people are dead in their sins, they are unable to initiate a response to God. In eternity past God elected certain people to be saved. The saved people are called the Elect. God picks them based not on their personal character or merit, but out of his kindness and sovereign will. It also means that election for salvation is not based on God's foreknowledge of who would come to faith in the future.(Because they can only come to faith ever by God's electing them to his salvation)
John 6:37(*Greek text link)
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (Proof of what some call OSAS. Because it is God that saves, therefore the saved of God can never be unsaved)
John 17:2 (*Greek text link)
2.just as you have given him authority over all humanity, so that he may give eternal life to everyone you have given him.
Matthew 22:14 Many are called but few are chosen.
L - Stands for Limited Atonement
the view that Jesus Christ died only for the sins of the Elect,
John 10 (*Greek text)
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Matthew 15 (*Greek text)
24.So he answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
"Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).
I - Stands for Irresistible Grace
Irresistible grace is the belief that God brings his Elect to salvation through an internal call, which they are powerless to resist. The Holy Spirit supplies grace to them until
John 10:27 (*Greek text)
27.My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; no one will snatch them from my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all,] and no one can snatch] them from my Father’s hand. 30 The Father and I are one.” they repent and are born again. John 6:37
P - Stands for Perseverance of the Saints
John 10:27-28 (*Greek text)
John 8:31Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, “If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
1 John 2:19 (*Greek text)
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
The called and the chosen are one and the same. 1 Corinthians 1 (*Greek text)
But, lets look at what you charge against him. To be correct, Jesus would not have uttered a word related to what John Calvin, and before him, Augustine, had said. They were teaching about Christ after all.
TULIP
T- Total Depravity -....the view that sinfulness pervades all areas of life and human existence. Through the Fall of Man, humanity is stained by sin in every aspect: heart, emotions, will, mind, and body. This means people cannot independently choose God. They cannot save themselves. God must intervene to save people.
Bible:John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
can=
1410. dunamai =
dunamai: to be able, to have power
Original Word: δύναμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: dunamai
Phonetic Spelling: (doo'-nam-ahee)
Definition: to be able, to have power
Usage: (a) I am powerful, have (the) power, (b) I am able, I can.
U - Stands for Unconditional Election
God chooses who will be saved. Because people are dead in their sins, they are unable to initiate a response to God. In eternity past God elected certain people to be saved. The saved people are called the Elect. God picks them based not on their personal character or merit, but out of his kindness and sovereign will. It also means that election for salvation is not based on God's foreknowledge of who would come to faith in the future.(Because they can only come to faith ever by God's electing them to his salvation)
John 6:37(*Greek text link)
37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (Proof of what some call OSAS. Because it is God that saves, therefore the saved of God can never be unsaved)
John 17:2 (*Greek text link)
2.just as you have given him authority over all humanity, so that he may give eternal life to everyone you have given him.
Matthew 22:14 Many are called but few are chosen.
L - Stands for Limited Atonement
the view that Jesus Christ died only for the sins of the Elect,
John 10 (*Greek text)
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Matthew 15 (*Greek text)
24.So he answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
"Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).
I - Stands for Irresistible Grace
Irresistible grace is the belief that God brings his Elect to salvation through an internal call, which they are powerless to resist. The Holy Spirit supplies grace to them until
John 10:27 (*Greek text)
27.My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; no one will snatch them from my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all,] and no one can snatch] them from my Father’s hand. 30 The Father and I are one.” they repent and are born again. John 6:37
P - Stands for Perseverance of the Saints
John 10:27-28 (*Greek text)
John 8:31Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, “If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
1 John 2:19 (*Greek text)
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
1 John 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
The called and the chosen are one and the same. 1 Corinthians 1 (*Greek text)