Paul's Conversion
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well I'm not anyone; I am just someone
I understand you do not see what you post as a personal understanding because you align yourself with others who are just as convinced of the same error you pursue as are you
I am not suggesting anything. I am outright, straight on, no fooling and absolutely serious, telling you that you are wrong
like you don't know LOL!
I understand you do not see what you post as a personal understanding because you align yourself with others who are just as convinced of the same error you pursue as are you
I am not suggesting anything. I am outright, straight on, no fooling and absolutely serious, telling you that you are wrong
like you don't know LOL!
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LOL! you are so funny today.
yes and sadly, too many think that means they are perfect and can never be wrong.
but let's have an understanding here. you believe that about yourself, but everyone else is wrong...unless they follow in your error
that, is more than a little hypocritical.
you do not own scripture. you are wrong
yes and sadly, too many think that means they are perfect and can never be wrong.
but let's have an understanding here. you believe that about yourself, but everyone else is wrong...unless they follow in your error
that, is more than a little hypocritical.
you do not own scripture. you are wrong
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Oh sorry didn't realise Abraham was baptised to be saved.
So now we see Abraham was saved by his works.
Therefore baptism is a work we have to do.
Therefore we are saved by works now.
Deary deary me.
If you are going to quote scripture beyond the scripture you already quoted make sure it harmonisese.
Very foolish indeed.
James never said Abraham was saved.
So now we see Abraham was saved by his works.
Therefore baptism is a work we have to do.
Therefore we are saved by works now.
Deary deary me.
If you are going to quote scripture beyond the scripture you already quoted make sure it harmonisese.
Very foolish indeed.
James never said Abraham was saved.
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Many fail to accept that the thief was not obligated to follow God's NT mandate. He died under the Old Testament. The command to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin began on the Day of Pentecost after the Holy Ghost was given. John introduced water baptism, and the need for it to be done in Jesus' name began after the NT officially began.
As for Cornelius and the others, Peter's statement that he would not withstand God after seeing God fill the Gentiles with the Holy Ghost speaks volumes. The record makes it apparent that Peter knew the group still had to be water baptized in Jesus' name. Neither one was optional.
Your statement that the "it shall be told thee what you must do" was for Ananias to place his hands on Saul... Is faulty. Jesus actually told Saul/Paul to go to Damascus and it shall be told thee (Saul/Paul) what YOU must do.
Acts 9:6
And he (Saul/Paul) trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Ananias told Paul what he must do and that was "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
So your reference that Paul received the Holy Ghost is definitely true. But you, as well as others, refuse to accept what Acts 22:16 specially states. Ananias told Paul he was to do something and that was, to be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord. Therefore, per Ananias statement, Paul was not being baptized as a public proclamation.
As for Cornelius and the others, Peter's statement that he would not withstand God after seeing God fill the Gentiles with the Holy Ghost speaks volumes. The record makes it apparent that Peter knew the group still had to be water baptized in Jesus' name. Neither one was optional.
Your statement that the "it shall be told thee what you must do" was for Ananias to place his hands on Saul... Is faulty. Jesus actually told Saul/Paul to go to Damascus and it shall be told thee (Saul/Paul) what YOU must do.
Acts 9:6
And he (Saul/Paul) trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Ananias told Paul what he must do and that was "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16
So your reference that Paul received the Holy Ghost is definitely true. But you, as well as others, refuse to accept what Acts 22:16 specially states. Ananias told Paul he was to do something and that was, to be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord. Therefore, per Ananias statement, Paul was not being baptized as a public proclamation.
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THE PURPOSE OF WATER BAPTISM
If salvation is by grace, then it is, as Ephesians 2:8-9 says – not of works. This means that salvation from God is a gracious gift received by faith. There is nothing needed in addition to faith, in order to be saved. So, when someone teaches that anything in addition to faith is necessary to qualify someone for salvation, including water baptism, they are preaching different Gospel! (2Cor. 11:4; Galatians 1:6) This is called Baptismal Regeneration. It is the idea that it is water baptism which actually saves someone.
Paul paints a picture of water baptism in Romans 6. In this passage, he describes a believer being identified with Christ in His death by being buried into the water. Paul says that just as Jesus was killed on the Cross then buried in His tomb, when the believer is baptised they are dying to their old way of life, and putting their life of sin to death. But as Jesus was raised from the dead, the believer is raised up from the water.
BAPTISM AS A COVENANT CEREMONY
The link between sealing a covenant and the act of water baptism is made by Paul in Colossians 2. He argues against circumcision by teaching that it was the sign of the Old Covenant. He goes on to say that it is water baptism which is the sealing of the New Covenant. A common type of a covenant was where two parties joined together in an exclusive life-long partnership. They gave each other the right to each other’s property and things. They exchanged symbols of their agreement to defend each other by an exchange of branded weapons (weapons identified as belonging to the other party). They blended their names. They publically pledged their devotion to each other. And they made an incision in their flesh from which they could let their blood mingle as a symbol of their union.
When we come to Christ, we enter into a commitment to have a relationship with Him. This commitment is converted into a covenant when we are baptised. In this sense, Water Baptism is more than symbolic, and without being sacerdotal (the mediating magic of a priest), it is sacramental. A sacrament is the term given for something that is –
(i) rich in symbolism;
(ii) ties together the past, the present, and the future; and
(iii) conveys a spiritual reality from Christ.
Water Baptism is indeed rich in symbolism as described in Romans 6:1-4 (the picture of the believer identifying with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection). It ties the past, present and future together by remembering Christ’s death (the past), celebrating the present (the new convert is being baptised now). And baptism looks to the future hope of our physical resurrection.
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Paul paints a picture of water baptism in Romans 6. In this passage, he describes a believer being identified with Christ in His death by being buried into the water. Paul says that just as Jesus was killed on the Cross then buried in His tomb, when the believer is baptised they are dying to their old way of life, and putting their life of sin to death. But as Jesus was raised from the dead, the believer is raised up from the water.
BAPTISM AS A COVENANT CEREMONY
When we come to Christ, we enter into a commitment to have a relationship with Him. This commitment is converted into a covenant when we are baptised. In this sense, Water Baptism is more than symbolic, and without being sacerdotal (the mediating magic of a priest), it is sacramental. A sacrament is the term given for something that is –
(i) rich in symbolism;
(ii) ties together the past, the present, and the future; and
(iii) conveys a spiritual reality from Christ.
Water Baptism is indeed rich in symbolism as described in Romans 6:1-4 (the picture of the believer identifying with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection). It ties the past, present and future together by remembering Christ’s death (the past), celebrating the present (the new convert is being baptised now). And baptism looks to the future hope of our physical resurrection.
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Acts 9:17-19
17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
19 So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.
Acts 22:16
16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’
Firstly Ananias never said in Acts 9:17-19 for remission of sins.
That is your bent "Remission if sins" that saves us.
Secondly he doesn't use remission of sins either in Acts 22:16.
So where is remission?
What is the difference for wash away your sins?
17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized.
19 So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus.
Acts 22:16
16 And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’
Firstly Ananias never said in Acts 9:17-19 for remission of sins.
That is your bent "Remission if sins" that saves us.
Secondly he doesn't use remission of sins either in Acts 22:16.
So where is remission?
What is the difference for wash away your sins?
No He did not die under the OT! He died as one receiving Christ.
As I said, I have already given you the example of Cornelius' household who received the Holy Spirit and that before being baptized and that by pure faith. After that they were baptized. However, this is not something that the Lord would have us argue over. I believe that everyone should be baptized. However, I would not claim or teach to anyone that if they have not been baptized that they are not saved.
As I said, I have already given you the example of Cornelius' household who received the Holy Spirit and that before being baptized and that by pure faith. After that they were baptized. However, this is not something that the Lord would have us argue over. I believe that everyone should be baptized. However, I would not claim or teach to anyone that if they have not been baptized that they are not saved.
The Jews believed that through the giving of blood their sins would be forgiven. They believed this on faith, and although they didn't know it was Christ's blood, it still was the blood of Christ that gave them salvation. Scripture tells us that, scripture tells us there is no salvation without Christ, and they were promised the forgiveness of sin necessary for salvation.
This was based on the temple, and when Christ became a reality God allowed the temple to be destroyed, it was obsolete.
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This was based on the temple, and when Christ became a reality God allowed the temple to be destroyed, it was obsolete.
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Ananias didn't know about "justification by faith" or what Paul calls...."my Gospel", as Paul was not taught any of this by Christ, at that time.
So, as i said...."when you dont know something, you can't teach it".
ananias knew of John the Baptist's water baptism for JEWS, and that is what he did with Paul., as that is all he knew to do, at that time.
Notice that Jesus never water baptized anyone.
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