I missed the one that you wrote about James, I just responded to that. However I have responded to 1 Tim that you posted as well as many scriptures from many people. Some posts may have not been by you, but I have addressed scriptures in Romans 2, Romans 3, Romans 5, Romans 7, Romans 14, Galatians 2, Colossians 2 as well as other scriptures outside of Paul. Many of those passages I have addressed more than once. You also have to keep in mind that my beliefs are the minority here... so I'm responding to many people.
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There are two groups of people that could have been judging them: There are pagans that were doing crazy things like drinking blood.. as well as the people in Colossae known for their asceticism. These people were very strict, and the feasts of the Father are supposed to be fun and lively. These types of celebrations are frowned upon by people with those beliefs.
The very verse that was posted says that they did and was being judged for it. If you want other evidence that law wasn't just for Jews:
Leviticus 24:22
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.
Exodus 12:49
A single law exists for the native and the alien who resides among you.
Exodus 20:8-10
“Remember the Sabbath day, maintaining its holiness. 9 Six days you are to labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. You are not to do any work—neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your livestock, nor any foreigner who lives among you.
Romans 2:6-11
6 For he will repay everyone according to what that person has done: 7 eternal life to those who strive for glory, honor, and immortality by patiently doing good; 8 but wrath and fury for those who in their selfish pride refuse to believe the truth and practice wickedness instead. 9 There will be suffering and anguish for every human being who practices doing evil, for Jews first and for Greeks as well. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who practices doing good, initially for Jews but also for Greeks as well
Church Doctrine, as you pointed out came from Paul.
Everything we understand about how to start a church, How to pick a Bishop or Deacon.. How to understand spiritual gifts. How to deal with sexuality inside a marriage...... Tithing..... , you name it, its all Paul's doctrine.
And ESPECIALLY when you want to understand how Jesus's Blood is redemption, = because Jesus Himself is Eternal life...
That's all Paul and just a little bit of John.
Its Paul who shows us that God does not charge the born again with sin, in Romans 4:8, and that this offer of Salvation, is that very offer to the world.
2nd Corinthians 5: 17-19
Salvation is......The law makes us sin guilty before God and Christ's Blood and Death makes us righteous and One with God.
Thats to be born again.
Christ was not in the world to condemn us, He came to set us free from the "ministry of condemnation) = The law, and to redeem us from our sins, so that we are made righteous and remain righteous..
Everything we understand about how to start a church, How to pick a Bishop or Deacon.. How to understand spiritual gifts. How to deal with sexuality inside a marriage...... Tithing..... , you name it, its all Paul's doctrine.
And ESPECIALLY when you want to understand how Jesus's Blood is redemption, = because Jesus Himself is Eternal life...
That's all Paul and just a little bit of John.
Its Paul who shows us that God does not charge the born again with sin, in Romans 4:8, and that this offer of Salvation, is that very offer to the world.
2nd Corinthians 5: 17-19
Salvation is......The law makes us sin guilty before God and Christ's Blood and Death makes us righteous and One with God.
Thats to be born again.
Christ was not in the world to condemn us, He came to set us free from the "ministry of condemnation) = The law, and to redeem us from our sins, so that we are made righteous and remain righteous..
So because Paul's writings have been prioritized in modern Christianity and modern traditions are a big part of those writings means they should be prioritized over the other authors? Why aren't the writings of the the Father prioritized the highest because He is the "Most High" God? Why aren't the quotes from The Messiah prioritized over Paul's writings? Why aren't the disciples that the Messiah chose prioritized over Paul?
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Paul said if abraham was saved by works, he has something to boast about. but not before God.
He also said this
Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Paul also said if it is grace it is not of works otherwise grace is no longer grace
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
and again, it is by his calling according to grace and not works
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
and he made it clear, it is not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy
Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
So when you say it is grace plus works. You are calling Paul a liar. and in effect. believing a different gospel
He also said this
Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Paul also said if it is grace it is not of works otherwise grace is no longer grace
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
and again, it is by his calling according to grace and not works
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
and he made it clear, it is not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy
Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
So when you say it is grace plus works. You are calling Paul a liar. and in effect. believing a different gospel
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James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
I went back. I have not seen any response to this post.
Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
I also have seen no response to this requirement of the law (perfection) as written By Moses himself.
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
I went back. I have not seen any response to this post.
Deuteronomy 27:26
‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”
I also have seen no response to this requirement of the law (perfection) as written By Moses himself.
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Good question....
PAUL is a "special case"..
God is very interesting. He is very very interesting, as He is a mystery who is always revealing Himself to you.
So, you asked me : "why did Christ make Paul an exception"......by choosing Him later, after Yeshua was back into heaven. ?
Simple answer.
The 12 were chosen to mostly Help Jesus with his earthly ministry to the Jews.
Paul was chosen later, because of this...:
"The time of the Gentiles"......began when the Cross was raised.
This is a season or you can call it a dispensation.........its a period of time when God is doing something unusual, and so, He chose Paul to be the "gentile apostle" in the Time of the Gentiles.
That's why he was chosen.
So, in the time of the Gentiles, you have some things happening that will end when the Grt Trib starts, and these same things were not in effect, before the Cross of Christ.
So, you can say that Paul is chosen for such a time as this........and the "this".....is the "time of the Gentiles'.
And that is why Paul is your prime example..... and your leader.
He's not the savior, but he is our Gold Standard, regarding how we are to understand the NT, as given, in the ""Time of the Gentiles.""
This is why Paul wrote most of the New Testament.
This is why every born again believer has to master the Pauline Epistles.....or the BIBLE will just be one confused maze to you.
This is why a real teacher, called by God, only teaches Pauline Theology, in the "time of the Gentiles".
You wont find a real teacher, called of God, in the time of the Gentiles leading you to Peter or to the Water, or to any idea of "trying to keep yourself saved".
Legalism is not of God, and Paul says it is "cursed of God".... Galatians 1:8
A real NT teacher will only lift up the Cross. They will only center all their theology upon the Blood of Christ and the Gift of God that is the Grace of God, as the Gospel.
Thats how you spot a real one., and that is how you discern a deceiver who is pretending to be a real teacher on a forum or in a pulpit, or in a TV ministry.
PAUL is a "special case"..
God is very interesting. He is very very interesting, as He is a mystery who is always revealing Himself to you.
So, you asked me : "why did Christ make Paul an exception"......by choosing Him later, after Yeshua was back into heaven. ?
Simple answer.
The 12 were chosen to mostly Help Jesus with his earthly ministry to the Jews.
Paul was chosen later, because of this...:
"The time of the Gentiles"......began when the Cross was raised.
This is a season or you can call it a dispensation.........its a period of time when God is doing something unusual, and so, He chose Paul to be the "gentile apostle" in the Time of the Gentiles.
That's why he was chosen.
So, in the time of the Gentiles, you have some things happening that will end when the Grt Trib starts, and these same things were not in effect, before the Cross of Christ.
So, you can say that Paul is chosen for such a time as this........and the "this".....is the "time of the Gentiles'.
And that is why Paul is your prime example..... and your leader.
He's not the savior, but he is our Gold Standard, regarding how we are to understand the NT, as given, in the ""Time of the Gentiles.""
This is why Paul wrote most of the New Testament.
This is why every born again believer has to master the Pauline Epistles.....or the BIBLE will just be one confused maze to you.
This is why a real teacher, called by God, only teaches Pauline Theology, in the "time of the Gentiles".
You wont find a real teacher, called of God, in the time of the Gentiles leading you to Peter or to the Water, or to any idea of "trying to keep yourself saved".
Legalism is not of God, and Paul says it is "cursed of God".... Galatians 1:8
A real NT teacher will only lift up the Cross. They will only center all their theology upon the Blood of Christ and the Gift of God that is the Grace of God, as the Gospel.
Thats how you spot a real one., and that is how you discern a deceiver who is pretending to be a real teacher on a forum or in a pulpit, or in a TV ministry.
I said FAITH plus works, not GRACE plus works.... Faith is trust/belief.... Grace is a gift/pardon. We are going to fall short and need grace no matter what our level of faith or amount of works is.... However, our works and faith work in tandem with each other to show where our heart is. The verses I highlighted in Romans 4 said "faith" (belief), not "grace" a gift.
So I know that we all require grace. The the question is... In Romans 4, do you believe Paul said that Abrahams works did not effect his righteousness?
Here is the section again:
Romans 4:1-6
4 What, then, are we to say about Abraham, our human ancestor? 2 For if Abraham was justified by actions, he would have had something to boast about—though not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to someone who works, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation. 5 However, to someone who does not work, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 Likewise, David also speaks of the blessedness of the person whom God regards as righteous apart from actions:
Did Abrahams works effect his righteousness (play a role in being justified)?
So I know that we all require grace. The the question is... In Romans 4, do you believe Paul said that Abrahams works did not effect his righteousness?
Here is the section again:
Romans 4:1-6
4 What, then, are we to say about Abraham, our human ancestor? 2 For if Abraham was justified by actions, he would have had something to boast about—though not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to someone who works, wages are not considered a gift but an obligation. 5 However, to someone who does not work, but simply believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6 Likewise, David also speaks of the blessedness of the person whom God regards as righteous apart from actions:
Did Abrahams works effect his righteousness (play a role in being justified)?
I don't avoid these verses, and I did not see this post. We are all going to fall short and not be able to keep every law how it was meant to kept. This is why we need grace... a pardon for sins (breaking law). However, that is not evidence that the law no longer implies. We also have to remember that we are only cursed for breaking law, we are blessed for keeping law:
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
26 Look! I’m about to grant you a blessing and a curse— 27 a blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I’m giving you today, 28 or a curse if you don’t obey the commands of the Lord your God, by turning from the way that I’m commanding you today and following other gods whom you have not known.”
I've mentioned this before on a couple posts. "The curse of the law" is breaking it (sin)... The blessing of the law is following it.
Grace is a gift that none of us deserve because we will fall short no matter how hard we try.... However, a combination of faith and works shows our hearts and is pleasing to the Father. This effort effects our salvation.
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
26 Look! I’m about to grant you a blessing and a curse— 27 a blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I’m giving you today, 28 or a curse if you don’t obey the commands of the Lord your God, by turning from the way that I’m commanding you today and following other gods whom you have not known.”
I've mentioned this before on a couple posts. "The curse of the law" is breaking it (sin)... The blessing of the law is following it.
Grace is a gift that none of us deserve because we will fall short no matter how hard we try.... However, a combination of faith and works shows our hearts and is pleasing to the Father. This effort effects our salvation.
I'm going to have to disagree with a lot of what you said here because it is not rooted in scripture. Paul is seldom mentioned in scripture outside of his own writings and doing some evil things. That is not to say his writings are all trash, but to call him our "gold standard" is to put him on a pedestal that no man should be placed.
Paul may have wrote the most in the new testament, but the amount of authors saying the same thing should carry more weight then the amount of writings from one author.
You said... "This is why every born again believer has to master the Pauline Epistles.....or the BIBLE will just be one confused maze to you."
I believe the opposite... I believe that because modern Christianity has spent so much time ATTEMPTING to master Pauls writings that they miss out on the earlier writings that are needed to understand him. So many of his and other new testament verses are referring to old testament writings. What other book do we pick up and start reading in the middle, and only look back at the first half of the book to support our understanding of the second half?
You are reading into the text in Galatians 1:8 if you think that it supports God's law being abolished.
How you "spot a real one" is by listening to what the Messiah himself said:
Mathew 5:19
19 So whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven. But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven
listen, bruh.
& hear.
you said Colossians 2 is really about lascivious Greeks judging Christians for living like practitioners of Judaism, such that it is in fact a command not to let pagans judge them for following the law of Moses when the Holy Spirit says, "do not let anyone judge you over food or drink, new moons, sabbaths or feasts"
you have an huge problem because Paul begins Colossians 2:16 with the word "THEREFORE"
omniscient God happens to have anticipated your false teaching and put that word 'therefor' in His book so that there would be no justifiable doubt as to what this saying means. the "therefore" means the preceding verses tell us what it's there for.
the preceding verses tell us that God has wiped out the ordinances, nailing them to the cross.
so we're in Romans 7. we have died to the law.
it's Judaizers, like yourself ((because you confessed your position)), who (('believing pharisees' see Acts 15)) tell Gentile believers in Christ ((Christ who fulfilled the law)) they must do certain things regarding food, regarding new moons, regarding sabbath, and regarding festivals.
Greeks, representative of atheists or pantheists, do not criticize Christians for keeping holy days or refraining from certain foods or celebrating new moon festivals or ritually refusing to perform activities once a week.
JEWS DO THAT.
the context of Colossians 2 proves your position is nonsense.
the ubiquity of warnings against Judaizers in Paul's epistle proves your position is nonsense.
the specific details of the commands in Colossians 2 prove your position is nonsense.
the specified constraints of the commands in Colossians 2 prove your position is nonsense.
the will of the Spirit at the the Jerusalem council of Acts 15 prove your position is nonsense.
the teaching of Christ in Matthew 5 prove your position is nonsense.
the singularly greatest point of contention between Christ and the pharisees apart from His deity proves your position is nonsense.
the fact David & his men ate shewbread without condemnation proves your position is nonsense.
the command from the Holy Spirit that we consider all work as though work for God proves your position is nonsense.
the command from God Himself, the man Christ Jesus, that we work for heavenly reward rather than earthly reward proves your position is nonsense.
the systematic theology and plain explanation of the gospel in Romans 1-8 prove your position is nonsense.
the facts of the independence of works from salvation laid out in the introduction of Ephesians prove your position is nonsense.
the requirement of the law that circumcision supersede ritual inactivity on sabbath prove your position is nonsense.
the requirement of the law that priestly duties supersede ritual inactivity on sabbath prove your position is nonsense.
the truth that having love fulfills the law proves your position is nonsense.
the fact that Paul uses 'you shall not covet' as an example of what 'the law' is in Romans 7 proves your position is nonsense.
the fact Christ said "a new commandment" proves your position is nonsense.
the absolute absence of any NT command to believers to keep sabbath proves your position is nonsense.
the absolute nonexistence of any early church theologian recommending or commanding any believer to keep sabbath proves your position is nonsense.
the abundance of early church evidence that explicitly specifies that Christians do not keep sabbath proves your position is nonsense.
the specific arguments the early church is recorded to have made against Judaizers explaining why they do not keep sabbath proves that your position is nonsense.
the fact that firstfruits is always the day after a sabbath and never a sabbath proves your position is nonsense.
the fact that pentecost is always the day after a sabbath and never a sabbath proves your position is nonsense.
the fact that God rested once and never again and Christ died once and never again proves your position is nonsense.
Romans 14 specifically states your position is nonsense.
Colossians 2 specifically states your position is nonsense.
how many proofs do you need, dude?
i can keep going!!
Ok... sooo you typed out a long list of your opinions. You can continue to prioritize your interpretations of Paul over other scriptures... But I will stick to prioritizing what the Messiah stated very clearly.... "until heaven and earth disappear":
Matthew 5:18-19
18 because I tell all of you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished. 19 So whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven. But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom from heaven
Luke 16:17
17 However, it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for one stroke of a letter in the Law to be dropped.
When will “heaven and earth disappear”?
Revelation 21:1
21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone.