Seeing Salvation

[Kidron]

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i love to talk about what God came down here to do for us on the Cross.
Its just so amazing that the Bread of Life, the Bread of Heaven, the Word made flesh, the righteousness of God, the Light of the World, came down here, and died on The Cross so that by this One time Sacrifice for the sin of the world, all who believe will go to heaven.
That is a PROMISE from God.
That is just so AMAZING.

The LOVE that God has shown to us......in that He takes full responsibility for you being born into a world of sin, with a adamic nature, and you are in a bad situation.. This situation is, you are born in sin, and become a sinner, and you have no way of yourself to solve this.........at all.

So, God took full responsibility for it.........for your situation, and came down here for you......and lived the perfect life, kept the law and commandments, and died on the Cross, for YOUR Sin. God "became sin" , on the Cross, and that means, all of yours..
And when you trust in Christ, believing, then God produces a : Divine Exchange.
It this.....God literally places all your sin on Jesus, and takes all of Christ's righteousness, and Christ's law and commandment keeping, and the sinless lite that Christ LIVED, and it is given to you, as if YOU DID IT.......and that is who you become a born again "new Creation"...."In Christ".
See that Divine Exchange?

Welcome to "the GIFT of Salvation"". Welcome to being BORN AGAIN.......... Welcome SAINT, ...to "the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS".

Welcome to : """"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."""""

""For Christ is the FULFILLMENT of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. """"
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Reader....

For you to go to Heaven, you have to be as Righteous as God, as its only the righteous who exist there.
And the problem is, you have no way to become righteous. You have sinned, so, ....game over.
Now you have this to resolve, and you can't resolve it, because you can't take care of all that sin.
You can't get it off of you.... and you can't stop God's judgement against SIN.
So, you are in a mess, and you can't solve it, and if its not solved you are going to die and go to hell like a bullet.

There is Good news..... God has a Solution. God has a eternal resolution.
Its This...
God took responsibility for your sin.. So that you could be given His very RIGHTEOUSNESS.
And once you have it, then you have it, and that is why God can accept you, and bring you into His family, = born again.
How does God provide this for you?
He came here, lived a sinless life, and kept the law and commandments... He gained this, by doing it, because you didnt and cant.
Then, He went to the Cross and took the judgement do the world for all SIN, upon Himself, .... and this resolved it and forgave all sin.

John 3:17

This is Christ on the Cross, dying for YOU. When this was completed, this death of God's body and shedding of God's blood on the Cross for the sin of the world... IS YOUR SALVATION........Jesus then said..>"IT is Finished".. The IT is what God had accomplished on the Cross, that IS Salvation.
This Salvation, that God Himself earned, is offered as : "The GIFT of Salvation".
Every person who will come to Jesus, and believe, is given this GIFT.
This GIFT, is eternal, as this is GOD's Blood that is shed, not just man's.
It it GOD's Blood shed for you, that saves you and keeps you saved.

This GIFT, is preached, as "the preaching of the Cross", and this message is the message of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:19.....""""that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation"""""

It is God offering what He did on the Cross to anyone and everyone and ALL who will "call on the name of Jesus, believing,". OR....."as many as BELIEVE in Jesus.... I give to you Eternal Life, and yu shall never perish".

So, its by faith that you believe this GOSPEL, and its "faith comes by hearing", is how the Holy Spirit opens your inner understanding to know this Truth, and receive it. John 14:6

The very second you do, 2 eternal things happen to you.

1.) God applies His shed blood to you, and that resolves ALL your sin, forever.

2.) Once the blood of God has taken care of your sin, then God's Holy Spirit gives you a New Birth of your Spirit and you are born again, by the Spirit of God into God's Holy Spirit. .... You become "ONE with God, IN Christ". A "Son of God"....... a "new Creation". "in Christ".

Notice who is on the Cross.
This is Jesus. And the best way to understand all of this, is to just recognize one thing.
Jesus Himself IS your Salvation.
So, if you have Christ in you, then you are born again., you have Eternal life, and your Home is in Heaven.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

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Welcome to : """"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."""""

Those that believe we can stop sinning after we get saved will have problems with this statement.They will say"If you love me keep my commandments".

Side-note:Someone might say, since the same GOD that speaks In the new testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the old testament and since GODs WORD doesn't change we should continue to keep the law.

 

[Kidron]

Those that believe we can stop sinning after we get saved will have problems with this statement.They will say"If you love me keep my commandments".

Side-note:Someone might say, since the same GOD that speaks In the new testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the old testament and since GODs WORD doesn't change we should continue to keep the law.

God didn't create a redemption that is offered through the blood of Christ, that is designed to keep a person in the same lifestyle as an unbeliever who is trying to "be good". As this person has no power to be good.

The Cross, is deliverance from trying to be good, as it empowers us with the means to live Holy.
This starts the minute the born again believer gets the revelation that they have been made the Righteousness of God., Spiritually.
Then they come to realize that this righteousness IS Eternal Life, who IS Jesus.
It really simple......Jesus is Salvation and Eternal life.....So, when you have HIM IN YOU>......You are righteous and have eternal life.
This is the born again Spirit, that is the real YOU...... And once a believer realizes that God has made them righteous, then they become FREE from trying to do it, for themselves. And THAT Revelation, is the Victory that overcomes the flesh., as that is the renewed mind.
Paul teaches this as...>"Christ always gives me the Victory".......because He is made righteous.

So, when you hear a heretic in a Pulpit, or read a post or a book or a commentary that is written by a heretic, .. .and they say....>"we are supposed to sin and confess", as one was explaining to us yesterday on a different Thread......then you are reading heresy, that is simply created because the person is water baptized into a "water cult" and not really saved, or they are born again, and have lost faith in Christ and have become as Paul describes, ..."fallen from Grace". "bewitched"... and "in the Flesh".

Grace, .....to understand it and live in it as your faith, is simply to realize that all that is required by God to save you and keep you saved, He has provided, 2000 yrs ago. = Christ on THE CROSS.

Philippians 1:6

Salvation is not what we try to do so that God will have us and keep us......But rather It's What God has done for us on the Cross, 2000 yrs ago that we receive by faith, which allows God to REDEEM US and birth us spiritually into Himself.......

A born again believer STARTS as "the righteousness of God".......We START on the day we are born again as "made righteous".
We dont then....try to start doing stuff to GET THERE, as we are already THERE.
The day you are born again you are "IN CHRIST"..........."seated in heavenly places".....and are...>"As Christ is....so are the born again, in this world."
This is the "Gift of Salvation", and the "Gift of Righteousness".

 

[JaumeJ]

The Master teaches us how the law is under grace. Actually He teaaches how the law must contain grace or it is not a law.

 

[Kidron]

The Master teaches us how the law is under grace. Actually He teaaches how the law must contain grace or it is not a law.

Is your master Jesus The Christ?

If so, this is what He has accomplished.....>"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW".

Notice that that law is a CURSE?......Notice that Christ has redeemed us (the born again) FROM the Law.
He didn't do that to you put you back under it, = as the law is a CURSE.

The law/commandments are designed to show you that you are a sinner, unrighteous, so that you turn to the CROSS so that GOD can redeem you so that you become a New Creation... because you become born again as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Paul teaches that the "the letter KILLETH">......and that is the LAW.

On the day that the 10 Commandments were given 3000 people died.

Listen...

God didn't come down here to die as Christ on the Cross to offer us a NEW COVENANT, to then have you try to return to the old one, chasing Law and Commandments.
If you are doing that, you are in a Cross rejecting CULT, and you need to GET OUT OF IT!!!

Notice this verse.....>"The power of SIN......IS = the LAW"...........So, when you try to keep it, so that God will have you, you are under the Curse, that Christ came to remove.

Now....Notice this verse.....>"you (the born again), are not UNDER the LAW.......you are UNDER Grace"..
See that? That is the NEW COVENANT of GRACE..... that has replaced the OLD Covenant of law and commandments.

So, when a heretic teaches that those who are not under the law, having been made free from the "CURSE of the Law".....are supposed to return to the Law, = then you are dealing with a Devil Deceived person who is faith ruined by their Cult
Don't listen to them,.........as they will ruin your faith if they can, as that is why they are on this Forum.

 

[JaumeJ]

"if so" it seems you are aware of my understanding.

The only Master is Jesus Yeshua.

Now that is cleared, no more ennuendo if you do not mind being straight.

My point about the law and grace is simple. Jesus Yeshua instructed some othersrs of the hypocrites that they knew nothing of applying the law in spirit and truth for they neglected the three principles of mercy, justice and faith.

Faith, by the Holy Spirit tells us all that any law not applied with mercy, justice and faith is not being applied according to His intent.

He has fulfilled the law in every manner, yet those who are intellecgtually gigantic still teach He obeyed all of the laws. You and all should know He did not stone the adultress to death, and He forgave many in His walk who, according to th elaw, though not be forgiven. Yes, He obeyed all of the law according to HIs own revelation of how it should be.

As for the 600 + laws attributed to Moses having written them down, the vast majority of them wou8ld be impossible to follow for He has fulfilled the Levitical laws, the laws of diet, the Temple laws, s and many more. Just think on this.

Now, anyone reading this posst may protest, however this is from the Lord, not from me or some other.

 

[Kidron]

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Now, anyone reading this posst may protest, however this is from the Lord, not from me or some other.

Honestly, there is only confusion regarding what you are trying to explain, as English is not your first language.
So, that is a total barrier, right from the start.

Let me ask you a 2 questions, and according to how you answer them, will inform us regarding if you are a Cross rejecting legalist, who believes you have to keep commandments and law to be saved and go to heaven, or not.

Here are the questions.


Do you believe you can lose your salvation?

Do you believe that you have to keep law, and commandments........ that you are supposed to try to do this, or you will not go to heaven ?

 

[JaumeJ]

You will know them by their love for each other. I am afraid you have made more erroneous allegations on my behalf.

Perhaps you could do much bettter if you were to learn the proper use of your language.

 

[Kidron]

You will know them by their love for each other. I am afraid you have made more erroneous allegations on my behalf.

I only used what you said..

Also, here is something else you have to learn about this : "you shall know them by their love and their fruit".

See that?
Let me show you something...
The DEVIL knows this verse, better then you, as he's had a very long time to figure out what it is that he can do, that will DECEIVE YOU.

And He knows that you and many like you believe that you can always spot a real believer based on their BEHAVIOR.
So, that is why Satan's Minister's FAKE FRUIT and FAKE Christianity, and "sound like" real Believers.
See that?
This means you have to listen to what they are teaching, and if they are not teaching Grace through Faith in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, then you are dealing with a HERETIC, 100% of the time.

 

[JaumeJ]

Have you ever been introduced to the right to paraphraxe?

Did you know that strictly text is dead without the Holy Spirrit having taught the meaning.

Having been taught the meaning, abject text is not necessary, actually the written word kills without the dHoly Spirit.

As per your allegation that English is my second language, I have several languages in my personals studies, the firs is my firsst language, English.

My university study was linguistics.

As relating to my prowess in languges, I was on the Dean's list all the while in my studies.

All of this and a dollar will not buy you a cup of mocha at Starbuck's, howevr you seem to be most impressed with you own prattle about others here, mindless, baselesss andwithout a foundation in the intent of these forums.

Now you do not owe me any apology, however you should take this to Yeshua, Jesus, and learn to be longsuffering and patient with all who have called upon the Nam of Jesus Yeshua in Spirit and truth for you have not demonstrated dthe basics of caring for others whether friend or foe. God bless you in yourr grandeur, as I pray for you along with all souls.

PS Please forgive any typos, I do use certain helps most of the time, however you reply so quickly and my vision impairment is not forgiving, something like your commentaryi.

 

[Kidron]

Now you do not owe me any apology, however you should take this to Yeshua, Jesus,

You love to hear yourself talk.


Here is the thing.

Jesus came to redeem all who believe from ; """"""" the curse of the Law.""""" because "" The power of SIN, is the LAW"".
You teach the opposite.
So, you are the one who "owe's Yeshua", an apology.

And one more thing about your deception.
No person who has English as their "first language", will refer to God's Son as "Yeshua".

So, you are a person who is pretending to be a bible authority, while engaged in Cross Rejecting Theology.

= Stop.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The Master teaches us how the law is under grace. Actually He teaaches how the law must contain grace or it is not a law.

And Grace Is above the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua is a name I fell in love with while first reading the Word in Hebrew.

I like this transsliteration because it is from the words that make up the true translation,.

YOu have either misunderstood my posts, or you have chosen to tell a lie about me in an attempt to destroy my credibility as a brother in Jesus Yeshua. This latter is a terrible thing to do, but I rejoice for I have yet to suffer the slings and arrows directed at Yeshua.

You have not understood, or, lied. Please keep your trivial manner of deriding others to yourself. Meanwhil I will pray for your soul. Bshem Yeshua lech.

 

[Kidron]

YOu have either misunderstood my posts, or you have chosen to tell a lie about me in an attempt to destroy my credibility as a brother in Jesus Yeshua.

Ive not lied about you.
I have only explained your legalistic theology back to you, so that the readers who care about their walk with God, and who love their Bible, can SEE what you are teaching that does not give Credit to the Cross of Christ, and instead LIVES in the old covenant, where the Cross does not EXIST with Christ on it.

You live in the land of LAW and God lives in the Blood of JESUS.

Why do you not understand this ?
See, when a person is familiar with the Cross, then they talk about the BLood Atonement and the GIFT of Righteousness.

This...... Romans 3:21-28

When they are not familiar with the Cross, or if they have lost faith in Christ, then they talk talk talk talk about law, law, law, law, and commandments, and SELF EFFORT.

See yourself ???????

 

[JaumeJ]

Do not attempt to accomplish the work of Satan in my direction. I am saved by grace, while you are the great one to condemn.

Perhaps you should actually read what I have posted about the law and grace. My only explanation on their relationship is from Jesus Yeshua's very teaching.

Do not attmpt to rob anyone of his salvation by saying they are legalisstic over saved by grace for you are never going to understand what the Lord has done for me or for others.. Shkt achshav.

 

[Evmur]

Those that believe we can stop sinning after we get saved will have problems with this statement.They will say"If you love me keep my commandments".

Side-note:Someone might say, since the same GOD that speaks In the new testament Is the same GOD that spoke In the old testament and since GODs WORD doesn't change we should continue to keep the law.

Jesu's commandments are not Moses' commandments. The law came through Moses but grace and truth through Jesus Christ.

 

[StreetPreacher]

Matt 22:37-40
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus and Moses taught the same thing

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Jesu's commandments are not Moses' commandments. The law came through Moses but grace and truth through Jesus Christ.

In your words how are they different?

 

[Jesus_Leads]

Do not attempt to accomplish the work of Satan in my direction. I am saved by grace, while you are the great one to condemn.

Perhaps you should actually read what I have posted about the law and grace. My only explanation on their relationship is from Jesus Yeshua's very teaching.

Do not attmpt to rob anyone of his salvation by saying they are legalisstic over saved by grace for you are never going to understand what the Lord has done for me or for others.. Shkt achshav.

That's what he's trying to do for so long. He has been posting threads that creates conflicts with other's belief then he tries to convince them they are not really saved. Just ignore him

 

[Jesus_Leads]

May

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i love to talk about what God came down here to do for us on the Cross.
Its just so amazing that the Bread of Life, the Bread of Heaven, the Word made flesh, the righteousness of God, the Light of the World, came down here, and died on The Cross so that by this One time Sacrifice for the sin of the world, all who believe will go to heaven.
That is a PROMISE from God.
That is just so AMAZING.

The LOVE that God has shown to us......in that He takes full responsibility for you being born into a world of sin, with a adamic nature, and you are in a bad situation.. This situation is, you are born in sin, and become a sinner, and you have no way of yourself to solve this.........at all.

So, God took full responsibility for it.........for your situation, and came down here for you......and lived the perfect life, kept the law and commandments, and died on the Cross, for YOUR Sin. God "became sin" , on the Cross, and that means, all of yours..
And when you trust in Christ, believing, then God produces a : Divine Exchange.
It this.....God literally places all your sin on Jesus, and takes all of Christ's righteousness, and Christ's law and commandment keeping, and the sinless lite that Christ LIVED, and it is given to you, as if YOU DID IT.......and that is who you become a born again "new Creation"...."In Christ".
See that Divine Exchange?

Welcome to "the GIFT of Salvation"". Welcome to being BORN AGAIN.......... Welcome SAINT, ...to "the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS".

Welcome to : """"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."""""

""For Christ is the FULFILLMENT of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. """"
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Reader....

For you to go to Heaven, you have to be as Righteous as God, as its only the righteous who exist there.
And the problem is, you have no way to become righteous. You have sinned, so, ....game over.
Now you have this to resolve, and you can't resolve it, because you can't take care of all that sin.
You can't get it off of you.... and you can't stop God's judgement against SIN.
So, you are in a mess, and you can't solve it, and if its not solved you are going to die and go to hell like a bullet.

There is Good news..... God has a Solution. God has a eternal resolution.
Its This...
God took responsibility for your sin.. So that you could be given His very RIGHTEOUSNESS.
And once you have it, then you have it, and that is why God can accept you, and bring you into His family, = born again.
How does God provide this for you?
He came here, lived a sinless life, and kept the law and commandments... He gained this, by doing it, because you didnt and cant.
Then, He went to the Cross and took the judgement do the world for all SIN, upon Himself, .... and this resolved it and forgave all sin.

John 3:17

This is Christ on the Cross, dying for YOU. When this was completed, this death of God's body and shedding of God's blood on the Cross for the sin of the world... IS YOUR SALVATION........Jesus then said..>"IT is Finished".. The IT is what God had accomplished on the Cross, that IS Salvation.
This Salvation, that God Himself earned, is offered as : "The GIFT of Salvation".
Every person who will come to Jesus, and believe, is given this GIFT.
This GIFT, is eternal, as this is GOD's Blood that is shed, not just man's.
It it GOD's Blood shed for you, that saves you and keeps you saved.

This GIFT, is preached, as "the preaching of the Cross", and this message is the message of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:19.....""""that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation"""""

It is God offering what He did on the Cross to anyone and everyone and ALL who will "call on the name of Jesus, believing,". OR....."as many as BELIEVE in Jesus.... I give to you Eternal Life, and yu shall never perish".

So, its by faith that you believe this GOSPEL, and its "faith comes by hearing", is how the Holy Spirit opens your inner understanding to know this Truth, and receive it. John 14:6

The very second you do, 2 eternal things happen to you.

1.) God applies His shed blood to you, and that resolves ALL your sin, forever.

2.) Once the blood of God has taken care of your sin, then God's Holy Spirit gives you a New Birth of your Spirit and you are born again, by the Spirit of God into God's Holy Spirit. .... You become "ONE with God, IN Christ". A "Son of God"....... a "new Creation". "in Christ".

Notice who is on the Cross.
This is Jesus. And the best way to understand all of this, is to just recognize one thing.
Jesus Himself IS your Salvation.
So, if you have Christ in you, then you are born again., you have Eternal life, and your Home is in Heaven.

May I know which denomination or Church you belong and also some famous preachers that support your claim, that is we don't need any work after salvation. No fight no struggle just one easy slide into heaven.