Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people
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The spirit God etc is described as light in the bible in John the bible quotes God is light. Thus being the reason God is every where. when you look up to the sky at night his stars (Light) strecth billions of light years apart.
His kingdom (light) has no end, truly i say to you if ye have a piece of that light the size of a tiny mustard seed. ye will say to that mountain move and it will move. thus that light will seperate the darkness from the light with the upmost authority amen.
@DrGuyPhD I agree with everything you have wrote here apart from what you quoted about with all due respect that us not what Jesus said, could you explain this. because its not clear you have shown something i have said.
My original post was refering to light being the authority, and not so much the command,
My post here is backing that up and refering to God being light. so then you must have to see kingdom of heaven as being light also.
This is my point that when Jesus says the kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed. we must see the mustard seed as light also. and we must also see having a little faith as having a little mustard seed of light planted in us. Because Jesus is describing it that way. maybe youve miss understood what im referencing.
The spirit God etc is described as light in the bible in John the bible quotes God is light. Thus being the reason God is every where. when you look up to the sky at night his stars (Light) strecth billions of light years apart.
His kingdom (light) has no end, truly i say to you if ye have a piece of that light the size of a tiny mustard seed. ye will say to that mountain move and it will move. thus that light will seperate the darkness from the light with the upmost authority amen.
@DrGuyPhD I agree with everything you have wrote here apart from what you quoted about with all due respect that us not what Jesus said, could you explain this. because its not clear you have shown something i have said.
My original post was refering to light being the authority, and not so much the command,
My post here is backing that up and refering to God being light. so then you must have to see kingdom of heaven as being light also.
This is my point that when Jesus says the kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed. we must see the mustard seed as light also. and we must also see having a little faith as having a little mustard seed of light planted in us. Because Jesus is describing it that way. maybe youve miss understood what im referencing.
If all falsehood in the context of scripture is immeadiately identified as false and put right. The WHOLE WORLD would be christian, it isnt,
plainly also 98 percent of Jews in isreal would include the new testerment, they dont, they still go of the tora scrolls only. ive done my research only 2 percent of Isreal is christian.
plainly also 98 percent of Jews in isreal would include the new testerment, they dont, they still go of the tora scrolls only. ive done my research only 2 percent of Isreal is christian.
How anyone can see playing with somebodies life is a wager, it is the same as saying hey Jesus if you throw your self of that cliff you will not die and this will prove to me you are the son of God, or satan,,, saying to adam and eve if you eat from that tree you will surely live.
The gambling of peoples life is glorified temptation from demons.
Thats right im telling you satan loves to glorify temptation, like saying how beautiful adultery is, or how beautiful the experinence of drugs can be, etc.
demons think its glorious to decieve anyone. master at turning nothing in to something and something into nothing. lIke Gods word.
The gambling of peoples life is glorified temptation from demons.
Thats right im telling you satan loves to glorify temptation, like saying how beautiful adultery is, or how beautiful the experinence of drugs can be, etc.
demons think its glorious to decieve anyone. master at turning nothing in to something and something into nothing. lIke Gods word.
Ok you base this on one scripture saying all scripture is from God in timothy, this is the truth that your using this argument to be the truth of all scripture. its a bit of a floor.. because if i was to use many other scriptures to apply the same reasoning, then where would we be ? (like if i just took any one scripture and said this is how you should view the whole bible.)
Theres no doubt that God tells the truth about lies in the bible. but does that make it holy spirit inspired. the lies that is. if everyone shared this point of view would the Jews have treated Jesus the way they did.
Theres no doubt that God tells the truth about lies in the bible. but does that make it holy spirit inspired. the lies that is. if everyone shared this point of view would the Jews have treated Jesus the way they did.
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Psalm 103
New International Version
Psalm 103
Of David.
1 Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
6 The Lord works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed. From all who are oppressed.(from demons)
7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:
8 The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse, (Satan is the wicked accuser day and night of Gods children)
nor will he harbor his anger forever; (satan will)
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve (satan does)
or repay us according to our iniquities. (satan does)
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;
14 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 The life of mortals is like grass,
they flourish like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.
17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the Lord’s love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children’s children—
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts. (Satan deosnt do this)
19 The Lord has established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all.
20 Praise the Lord, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.
21 Praise the Lord, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.
22 Praise the Lord, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.
Praise the Lord, my soul.
Psalm 103
New International Version
Psalm 103
Of David.
1 Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
6 The Lord works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed. From all who are oppressed.(from demons)
7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:
8 The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse, (Satan is the wicked accuser day and night of Gods children)
nor will he harbor his anger forever; (satan will)
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve (satan does)
or repay us according to our iniquities. (satan does)
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;
14 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 The life of mortals is like grass,
they flourish like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.
17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the Lord’s love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children’s children—
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts. (Satan deosnt do this)
19 The Lord has established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all.
20 Praise the Lord, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.
21 Praise the Lord, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.
22 Praise the Lord, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.
Praise the Lord, my soul.
"""Ill go through some of those lies
Satan tells adam and eve they will surely live if they eat from the tree of life.
Satan is walking around as an angel of light.
The enemy is a liar and a thief.
The enemy is the great deciever.
jacob decieves his father.
satan will set him self up as God in this world.
Satan will exalt himself higher than the heavens."""
Which one is a lie?
Or should we say , " in your mind which one is a lie"
You made the claim
Post the verses
Satan tells adam and eve they will surely live if they eat from the tree of life.
Satan is walking around as an angel of light.
The enemy is a liar and a thief.
The enemy is the great deciever.
jacob decieves his father.
satan will set him self up as God in this world.
Satan will exalt himself higher than the heavens."""
Which one is a lie?
Or should we say , " in your mind which one is a lie"
You made the claim
Post the verses
You are very confused in your thinking. For one thing, God, in the book of Job, is God and not a man.
Does God allow people to experience some of the things in Job? Based on your observation in the modern world, are there people who lose their children or belonging in storms? Are any ever killed by enemies in wars? Does God allow some people to get painful or itchy skin diseases? is it your position that none of these things ever happen to anyone, that God never allows such things?
The second issue is that God is God. There are all kinds of spiritual entities that exist, angels, demons, cherubim, seraphim. We humans have spirits, too. Demons know that God is the most powerful being. They tremble. So they know God is God, too. There are limitations as to what they can do. Satan wanted God to lift a hedge of protection from around Job, which He did. That is not the same thing as a human being doing divination by demonic power. You are a human being. You are not God. You are not the highest power over all beings in the universe. And God did not command Himself never to speak to Satan. Here is a key problem with your line of reasoning-- God is God and you are not.
Some lesser issues here are that you assume angels and demons are the same type of creature, and that Satan and demons are the same type of creature, and that is not universally accepted and certainly wasn't historically. You also assume Satan in the book of Job is the Devil in the New Testament. That may be the case, but 'satan' is an adversary or opposor. In this case, maybe something like a D/A or prosecutor. The angel that opposed Balaam is called a satan.
This is a totally different issue from Job. The Holy Spirit was at work in Christ. Some of Christ's opponents wrongly labeled the Spirit as Baalzebub. That is different from God allowing a spirit to do something on the earth. Jesus did not teach in this passage that God never puts limitations or lifts them on spirits that test men, or the Devil, or various principalities or powers.
That is not a new idea from my perspective. Maybe it is to some Christians influenced by modernism.
So then are you saying that God allows the Devil to lie?
So if children die, then do you think the Devil never ever has anything to do with it?
How about sticking with actual quotes from Jesus and go from there? Speculating and making stuff up is one of the problems with your posts in this thread.
No, Jesus believed the Bible. Is getting people NOT to believe the Bible more along the lines of the work of Christ or the work of Satan?
If the Bible does not fit with your view of things, change your view of things. You should learn from the book of Job instead of taking the approach you are taking. Some Christians have difficulty understanding Job because their understanding of things is lacking and they need to learn more.
Does God allow people to experience some of the things in Job? Based on your observation in the modern world, are there people who lose their children or belonging in storms? Are any ever killed by enemies in wars? Does God allow some people to get painful or itchy skin diseases? is it your position that none of these things ever happen to anyone, that God never allows such things?
The second issue is that God is God. There are all kinds of spiritual entities that exist, angels, demons, cherubim, seraphim. We humans have spirits, too. Demons know that God is the most powerful being. They tremble. So they know God is God, too. There are limitations as to what they can do. Satan wanted God to lift a hedge of protection from around Job, which He did. That is not the same thing as a human being doing divination by demonic power. You are a human being. You are not God. You are not the highest power over all beings in the universe. And God did not command Himself never to speak to Satan. Here is a key problem with your line of reasoning-- God is God and you are not.
Some lesser issues here are that you assume angels and demons are the same type of creature, and that Satan and demons are the same type of creature, and that is not universally accepted and certainly wasn't historically. You also assume Satan in the book of Job is the Devil in the New Testament. That may be the case, but 'satan' is an adversary or opposor. In this case, maybe something like a D/A or prosecutor. The angel that opposed Balaam is called a satan.
This is a totally different issue from Job. The Holy Spirit was at work in Christ. Some of Christ's opponents wrongly labeled the Spirit as Baalzebub. That is different from God allowing a spirit to do something on the earth. Jesus did not teach in this passage that God never puts limitations or lifts them on spirits that test men, or the Devil, or various principalities or powers.
That is not a new idea from my perspective. Maybe it is to some Christians influenced by modernism.
So then are you saying that God allows the Devil to lie?
So if children die, then do you think the Devil never ever has anything to do with it?
How about sticking with actual quotes from Jesus and go from there? Speculating and making stuff up is one of the problems with your posts in this thread.
No, Jesus believed the Bible. Is getting people NOT to believe the Bible more along the lines of the work of Christ or the work of Satan?
If the Bible does not fit with your view of things, change your view of things. You should learn from the book of Job instead of taking the approach you are taking. Some Christians have difficulty understanding Job because their understanding of things is lacking and they need to learn more.
Good morning, De-emerald. God doesn't work with demons. It rains on the just and the unjust.
In Job's time, people didn't quite understand that concept. They thought if someone was good and followed all the rules then they would be rewarded on this earth and would never have to face any suffering in life. Kind of like the prosperity Gospel folks of today.
We know this isn't true "it rains on the just and the unjust." God didn't work with Satan to torture Job. He just simply removed the hedge of protection that he had around him.
There is a really good lesson in the book of Job. Just because we are Christians, it doesn't mean that we will never have any problems in this life. Jesus also suffered, and we know that we will also suffer in this world.
Many things in the Bible are spiritually discerned. That's why a sinner can't really understand the message of the Bible. The Pharisees/scribes didn't really understand the message, either. So they were misrepresenting the message. The Old Testament never lied. They just didn't have any discernment and didn't understand it.
In Job's time, people didn't quite understand that concept. They thought if someone was good and followed all the rules then they would be rewarded on this earth and would never have to face any suffering in life. Kind of like the prosperity Gospel folks of today.
We know this isn't true "it rains on the just and the unjust." God didn't work with Satan to torture Job. He just simply removed the hedge of protection that he had around him.
There is a really good lesson in the book of Job. Just because we are Christians, it doesn't mean that we will never have any problems in this life. Jesus also suffered, and we know that we will also suffer in this world.
Many things in the Bible are spiritually discerned. That's why a sinner can't really understand the message of the Bible. The Pharisees/scribes didn't really understand the message, either. So they were misrepresenting the message. The Old Testament never lied. They just didn't have any discernment and didn't understand it.
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