Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[Absolutely]

Next time, try harder to understand what I write before attempting to correct me.

This tread should be titled just that "let me share my "truth" only I know about, with my bonus corrections"

 

[de-emerald]

Instead of making heretical assertions, perhaps you should try to understand the nature and purpose of the Old Testament law.

By the way, the word is "testAment" not "testerment". You could look up these words for yourself, if you cared to do so.

Jesus was called a heretic too by the Jews, when he spoke the truth,


John 10:31-32
The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”

Matthew 26:65

Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;

act 6:11
Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and against God.”

Mark 2:6-7
But some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?”

And many of you are claiming im a heretic for telling the truth that Jesus had nothing to do with demons and proving that in scripture. Jesus also told the Jews the scribes the pharisees they where believing lies, that there father was of the devil. but yet many of you dont recognise what this means.

 

[de-emerald]

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Jesus was called a heretic too by the Jews, when he spoke the truth,

more over whelming evidence that not all scripture is holy spirit inspired. thus the reason why where instructed to search the scriptures to devide the truth.


John 10:31-32
The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?”

Matthew 26:65

Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;

act 6:11
Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and against God.”

Mark 2:6-7
But some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?”

many of you are claiming im a heretic for telling the truth that Jesus had nothing to do with demons and proving that in scripture. Jesus also told the Jews the scribes the pharisees they where believing lies, that there father was of the devil. but yet many of you dont recognise what this means.

 

[DavidTree]

Next time, try harder to understand what I write before attempting to correct me.

I did read - Peace in the wonderful Name of Jesus and in the Holy Spirit

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

 

[de-emerald]

I did read - Peace in the wonderful Name of Jesus and in the Holy Spirit

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

What department of inspiration would you call Jesus being called a heretic by the Jews in scripture.

would this be in the department of reproof ? or correction, or instruction or rightousness ?.

which departement of ispiration would that be in, Now we could say that all scripture calling Jesus a heretic, was God was showing us something here in scripture. but is that what the Holy spirit wanted ? Did the holy spirit want Jesus to be called a heretic ? do you see my point ?

 

[de-emerald]

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DavidTree said:

I did read - Peace in the wonderful Name of Jesus and in the Holy Spirit

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."
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dE-EMERALD SAID
What department of inspiration would you call Jesus being called a heretic by the Jews in scripture.

would this be in the department of reproof ? or correction, or instruction or rightousness ?.

which departement of ispiration would that be in, Now we could say that all scripture calling Jesus a heretic, was God was showing us something here in scripture. but is that what the Holy spirit wanted ? Did the holy spirit want Jesus to be called a heretic ? do you see my point ?

 

[DavidTree]

What department of inspiration would you call Jesus being called a heretic by the Jews in scripture.

would this be in the department of reproof ? or correction, or instruction or rightousness ?.

which departement of ispiration would that be in, Now we could say that all scripture calling Jesus a heretic, was God was showing us something here in scripture. but is that what the Holy spirit wanted ? Did the holy spirit want Jesus to be called a heretic ? do you see my point ?

Hi de-emerald,
YES, I see your point.
The Jews spoke of what was in their hearts - UNBELIEF and MURDER

The GREAT POINT that the Holy Spirit made to us who believe is Instructions in His Righteousness

It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also .....I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God;
Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

 

[de-emerald]

Hi de-emerald,
YES, I see your point.
The Jews spoke of what was in their hearts - UNBELIEF and MURDER

The GREAT POINT that the Holy Spirit made to us who believe is Instructions in His Righteousness

It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also .....I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God;
Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Thankyou look at the last part you wrote Jesus is saying demons dishonor my Father.

 

[de-emerald]

If people are tormented by demons, and Jesus does not always stop it before it happens, doesn't that mean he 'allows' it? What kind of question is that?

Jesus does not allow it by not preventing it in the first. Revalation 12 tells us since the birth of Jesus Demons have tormented Christians. Then scriptures tells us what we must do in peter to put up with demons. basically scripture is saying to me in peter that Demons dishonor God by tormenting christians. The simple truth is a demons nature is to dishonor God, and you can not believe a word they say in scripture.(are Job as christians and instructions from Jesus is to devide there lies from the truth in scripture. Jesus also indicated to us that The Jews the pharisees the scribes where being decieved by demons, thus not repersenting the spirit accordingly in scripture, which was of the devil (dishonor) (lies) So when we search scripture in the old testerment we ask whether this would be How Jesus would of handled it, or what would Jesus have done, thus being the reason for the new Testerment, many times Jesus exposed the lies of Satan in the old testerment. and the lies that the Jews where believing. Hence all the disputes and confrontations he had with them.

 

[de-emerald]

I think I see where you are coming from, but Jesus never said it was his "light" that cast demons out. The scriptures say it directly. It was not an issue of light in which we or Jesus cast out demons, but authority. Matthew 10:1 says this, "Jesus called his twelve disciples together and gave them authority to cast out evil[a] spirits and to heal every kind of disease and illness." I see the dilemma we get into when we say that it was the authority of Jesus that controls what a demon is allowed to do with that, but according to scripture, i think we have to uphold it and continue to investigate it.

The spirit God etc is described as light in the bible in John the bible quotes God is light. Thus being the reason God is every where. when you look up to the sky at night his stars (Light) strecth billions of light years apart.

His kingdom (light) has no end, truly i say to you if ye have a piece of that light the size of a tiny mustard seed. ye will say to that mountain move and it will move. thus that light will seperate the darkness from the light with the upmost authority amen.

 

[de-emerald]

It says that all Scripture is "God-breathed", which is the most literal translation of the Greek word theopneustos. It does not say anything about Scripture being "approved".

Now, what's your point?

Ive explained my point on this many times more over, even at post number one i said Jesus warned us of many lies in the bible, and for that reason we should investigate all scripture. Because i havent made everything clear is no authority for insertions to be made im a heretic. this topic covers the whole bible, i cant possibly include every insertion. at once. If scripture says all scripture is God breathed. does that mean its every word in scripture is what God thought to him self. this is a reasonable request to ask, that this topic is about the whole bible. and many diffrent minds and points of view in the bible cover this topic. so dont ya think we should investigate it to see whether all those scripture are the direct thoughts of the holy spirit. ?

 

[DrGuyPhD]

The spirit God etc is described as light in the bible in John the bible quotes God is light. Thus being the reason God is every where. when you look up to the sky at night his stars (Light) strecth billions of light years apart.

His kingdom (light) has no end, truly i say to you if ye have a piece of that light the size of a tiny mustard seed. ye will say to that mountain move and it will move. thus that light will seperate the darkness from the light with the upmost authority amen.

But herein lies the issue. With all due respect, that's not what Jesus said. Yes, God is described as the light, and even more so Jesus gave us the commission of the being the light and salt of the earth. So I am not undermining the scriptural basis of light. It reveals secrets and reveals the inner-workings of the darkness. And I do think that Satan is afraid of this for the simple fact is that he is not operating outside of God's view. Satan knows that if the people in charge of maintaining the culture of God on earth KNOW about his plans and what he is doing, they can come against it. Satan's greatest weapon against mankind is ignorance. One of Jesus' strength was knowing what Satan was up to because his Light revealed everything. The bible says that nothing is hidden from God. That darkness and light are the same to him. And the power of our prayers against him can only be effective if what he is doing in the darkness has been revealed by light.

 

[SomeDisciple]

There are many lies that Jesus warns us about in the bible. like this one for instance.

Old testerment lie not of the spirit

Leviticus 24:19-21
19 Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. 21 Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death.

This isn't a lie at all whatsoever. As private citizens we turn the other cheek. This commandment was for rulers and judges to execute judgements... and while we turn the other cheek, those that bear the sword do not (even though they do, sometimes). The government totally has the authority to take life for life.

 

[Dino246]

Jesus was called a heretic too by the Jews, when he spoke the truth,

And many of you are claiming im a heretic for telling the truth that Jesus had nothing to do with demons and proving that in scripture. Jesus also told the Jews the scribes the pharisees they where believing lies, that there father was of the devil. but yet many of you dont recognise what this means.

You are called a heretic for making heretical statements.

Deal with it.

 

[Dino246]

I did read.

You may have read, but you did not understand.

 

[Dino246]

Ive explained my point on this many times more over, even at post number one i said Jesus warned us of many lies in the bible, and for that reason we should investigate all scripture. Because i havent made everything clear is no authority for insertions to be made im a heretic. this topic covers the whole bible, i cant possibly include every insertion. at once. If scripture says all scripture is God breathed. does that mean its every word in scripture is what God thought to him self. this is a reasonable request to ask, that this topic is about the whole bible. and many diffrent minds and points of view in the bible cover this topic. so dont ya think we should investigate it to see whether all those scripture are the direct thoughts of the holy spirit. ?

Where there is a falsehood (lie or error) recorded in Scripture, it is clearly identified as such either in the immediate context or in the wider context of Scripture. God's word is truth, and it is far better to assume that the words of Scripture are truth until the context tells you otherwise.

 

[Rolly]

What department of inspiration would you call Jesus being called a heretic by the Jews in scripture.

would this be in the department of reproof ? or correction, or instruction or rightousness ?.

which departement of ispiration would that be in, Now we could say that all scripture calling Jesus a heretic, was God was showing us something here in scripture. but is that what the Holy spirit wanted ? Did the holy spirit want Jesus to be called a heretic ? do you see my point ?

I think your missing the point, inspiration is what and how the information is recounted and shared, Did the Holy Spirit have a hand in how people chose to treat Jesus , I don’t know, is the account of that interaction true, as to the form it took and how it’s written down in the Bible? yes it is, for that is the inspirational part, also please allow me to point out a glaring disparity, no offence meant.
When heathens attacked the Lord Jesus for being a heretic, they were in fact accusing a perfect person of not being perfect, when Saints on here accuse you of spouting heretical statements, they accuse an imperfect person, of being imperfect, how can you therefor compare yourself to Lord Jesus ? In this regard.
you do know your not perfect right and that your subject to error? I would be carful mate using the Lord Jesus’s authority as validation for your own.

Personal I don’t think God twisted the Pharisees rubber arms to act the way they did , it’s far more likely they were just a bunch of Human natured , arrogant, oligarchs.

 

[de-emerald]

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hi again all you beautiful christians so i thought i would a have break from this some what heated discussion where by the words of Jesus have been denied over and over again. So this scriptures repersents the jewish people telling yet more lies and there scribes writing theese lies, if you will read it you will clearly see Jesus being accused of working with a demon. Now i dont know about you Guys but could you call this God inspired or from the holy spirit or true, ? this looks like an outright lie to me, what do you all think ? Dont forget Jesus told the Jews that there father was of the devil. (ie the Jews where being decieved by demons as to the scribes.
luke:22-32
Jesus Is Accused of Working with a demon for doing good works.


22 Then some people brought Yeshua a man possessed by a demon. The demon made the man blind and unable to talk. Yeshua cured him so that he could talk and see.

23 The crowds were all amazed and said, “Can this man be the Son of David?” 24 When the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man can force demons out of people only with the help of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons.”

25 Since Yeshua knew what they were thinking, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is ruined. And every city or household divided against itself will not last. 26 If Satan forces Satan out, he is divided against himself. How, then, can his kingdom last? 27 If I force demons out of people with the help of Beelzebul, who helps your followers force them out? That’s why they will be your judges. 28 But if I force demons out with the help of God’s Spirit, then the kingdom of God has come to you. 29 How can anyone go into a strong man’s house and steal his property? First he must tie up the strong man. Then he can go through his house and steal his property.

30 “Whoever isn’t with me is against me. Whoever doesn’t gather with me scatters. 31 So I can guarantee that people will be forgiven for any sin or cursing. However, cursing the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this world or the next.


John 8:49
Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me

here is Jesus well and truly saying i am not a devil and i dont work with them but yet the jews here where claiming other wise.
Not only that But Jesus is indicating here that demons (demons are not from heaven.)

Ok so would it be fair to now add theese scriptures what Jesus spoke which would go with this scripture.
mathew 5:20
For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now secondly should we belief this scripture or should we believe Jesus ?

 

[Dino246]

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hi again all you beautiful christians so i thought i would a have break from this some what heated discussion where by the words of Jesus have been denied over and over again. So this scriptures repersents the jewish people telling yet more lies and there scribes writing theese lies, if you will read it you will clearly see Jesus being accused of being demon possessed. Now i dont know about you Guys but could you call this God inspired or from the holy spirit or true, ? this looks like an outright lie to me, what do you all think ? Dont forget Jesus told the Jews that there father was of the devil. (ie the Jews where being decieved by demons as to the scribes.
luke:22-32
Jesus Is Accused of Working with a demon for doing good works.


22 Then some people brought Yeshua a man possessed by a demon. The demon made the man blind and unable to talk. Yeshua cured him so that he could talk and see.

23 The crowds were all amazed and said, “Can this man be the Son of David?” 24 When the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man can force demons out of people only with the help of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons.”

25 Since Yeshua knew what they were thinking, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is ruined. And every city or household divided against itself will not last. 26 If Satan forces Satan out, he is divided against himself. How, then, can his kingdom last? 27 If I force demons out of people with the help of Beelzebul, who helps your followers force them out? That’s why they will be your judges. 28 But if I force demons out with the help of God’s Spirit, then the kingdom of God has come to you. 29 How can anyone go into a strong man’s house and steal his property? First he must tie up the strong man. Then he can go through his house and steal his property.

30 “Whoever isn’t with me is against me. Whoever doesn’t gather with me scatters. 31 So I can guarantee that people will be forgiven for any sin or cursing. However, cursing the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this world or the next.


John 8:49
Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me

here is Jesus well and truly saying i am not a devil but yet the jews here where claiming other wise.
Not only that But Jesus is indicating here that demons (demons are not from heaven.)

Ok so would it be fair to now add theese scriptures what Jesus spoke which would go with this scripture.
mathew 5:20
For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now secondly should we belief this scripture or should we believe Jesus ?

Somewhere in your understanding of Scripture, something has gone wacky.

Your closing question is internally contradictory. Jesus' words are recorded in Scripture, which is the word of God. It is inherently incorrect to ask "Which do we believe?" You believe Jesus' specific words AND you believe the record of Scripture, for both are correct.

 

[de-emerald]

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hi again all you beautiful christians so i thought i would a have break from this some what heated discussion where by the words of Jesus have been denied over and over again. So this scriptures repersents the jewish people telling yet more lies and there scribes writing theese lies, if you will read it you will clearly see Jesus being accused of working with a demon. Now i dont know about you Guys but could you call this God inspired or from the holy spirit or true, ? this looks like an outright lie to me, what do you all think ? Dont forget Jesus told the Jews that there father was of the devil. (ie the Jews where being decieved by demons as to the scribes.
luke:22-32
Jesus Is Accused of Working with a demon for doing good works.


22 Then some people brought Yeshua a man possessed by a demon. The demon made the man blind and unable to talk. Yeshua cured him so that he could talk and see.

23 The crowds were all amazed and said, “Can this man be the Son of David?” 24 When the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man can force demons out of people only with the help of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons.”

25 Since Yeshua knew what they were thinking, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is ruined. And every city or household divided against itself will not last. 26 If Satan forces Satan out, he is divided against himself. How, then, can his kingdom last? 27 If I force demons out of people with the help of Beelzebul, who helps your followers force them out? That’s why they will be your judges. 28 But if I force demons out with the help of God’s Spirit, then the kingdom of God has come to you. 29 How can anyone go into a strong man’s house and steal his property? First he must tie up the strong man. Then he can go through his house and steal his property.

30 “Whoever isn’t with me is against me. Whoever doesn’t gather with me scatters. 31 So I can guarantee that people will be forgiven for any sin or cursing. However, cursing the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in this world or the next.


John 8:49
Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me

here is Jesus well and truly saying i am not a devil and i dont work with them but yet the jews here where claiming other wise.
Not only that But Jesus is indicating here that demons (demons are not from heaven.)

Ok so would it be fair to now add theese scriptures what Jesus spoke which would go with this scripture.
mathew 5:20
For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now secondly should we belief this scripture or should we believe Jesus ?

Do you believe the words of the scribes and Jews saying Jesus works with Demons or do you believe Jesus saying he doesnt work with demons ?...