Sabbath

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God's model is to work six days and rest and worship on one.

jews keep the Sabbath. Christians keep the Lord's day, sunday.

nothing to do with the romans banning Sabbath keeping. nothing to do with the sun god,


because , no matter what you judeaizers say, Jesus rose on sunday.

the Bible attests to this. the roman gov. attests to this.

end of story.
 
The Mosaic Law is different to the moral law. So which law operated from the very beginning of human history. Although they were not written down until Mount Sinai, the Ten Commandments were understood and honored by the earliest patriarchs. Even Cain knew that it was a sin to kill, because God told him that “sin lieth at the door” (Genesis 4:7) after he murdered his brother.

It is impossible for sin to exist where there is no law. The Bible teaches, “for where no law is, there is no transgression” (Romans 4:15). Again we are told, “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law” (1 John 3:4). This principle is amplified further by Paul’s statement that “I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet” (Romans 7:7).

These verses nail down the truth that no sin can be imputed where the law is not in effect (But which law). killing is one of the 10. Joseph revealed that he was aware of the binding claims of the same law. He said to Potiphar’s wife, “how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?” (Genesis 39:9). He knew adultery was sin.

Abraham was commended by God in these words: “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws” (Genesis 26:5). It is very obvious that the law which Abraham faithfully obeyed was not the law of Moses, because that law was not given until 430 years later. many of the Ten Commandments existed before Abraham, neither is it possible for us to conceive that great, godly Abraham was not acquainted with the basic issues of right and wrong contained in the Ten Commandments.

It is absolutely certain that another law was added 430 years later, and it was in addition to the one Abraham kept so diligently. “And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect” (Galatians 3:17).

The context of this verse indicates that Paul is talking about the ceremonial law rather than the moral law of the Ten Commandments. In verse ten, he refers to the curses “which are written in the book of the law.” there are no curses recorded in the law written on stone.

Can we find further confirmation that this later law was indeed the law of Moses? The answer rests in Galatians 3:19. “Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions till the seed should come to whom the promise was made ...” Here we have two significant facts set forth concerning the law which was added. We are told why it was given and also how long it would remain in effect. These two bits of information is evidence that the law which was added is not the ten commandments. The moral laws (Ten commandments are still convicting people today. and were convicting people before Sinai.

Be honest with yourself. Why would God put the Sabbath commandment in the 10, knowing that only 9 of them apply to all time and people.
 
gb9 said:
when you find a command for any nation or people other than Israel to keep the Sabbath, let me know.


until then, i will focus on what the Bible actually says in writing , not on building theology around assumptions..
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Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mar 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

The Sabbath is one of those commandments.
 
gb9 said:
God's model is to work six days and rest and worship on one.

jews keep the Sabbath. Christians keep the Lord's day, sunday.

nothing to do with the romans banning Sabbath keeping. nothing to do with the sun god,


because , no matter what you judeaizers say, Jesus rose on sunday.

the Bible attests to this. the roman gov. attests to this.

end of story.
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Please show me where the Bible tells us that the Lords day is Sunday and that we are to rest on Sunday rather then the day God Made HOLY.
Do you realize you are saying no to God and yes to tradition.
 
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John said in his fist letter that the Commands were to believe in the name of the Son and love one another.

he also wrote Revelations .

and, once again, Jesus was and was speaking to a man born under the Law.

and there is no " moral Law", and and a different " Law of Moses"

Torah is a singular word.
 
TMS said:
Please show me where the Bible tells us that the Lords day is Sunday and that we are to rest on Sunday rather then the day God Made HOLY.
Do you realize you are saying no to God and yes to tradition.
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please show me where gentiles were commanded to keep the Law.
 
Sunday-keeping is a tradition of mere men and breaks God’s law, which commands Sabbath-keeping. Only God can make a day holy. God blessed the Sabbath, and when God blesses, no man can “reverse it” (Numbers 23:20).
 
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“Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy … and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. … Therefore I have poured out My indignation on them” (Ezekiel 22:26, 31).
 
TMS said:
Paul to the Romans states that we establish the law...
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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Paul also said the letter ( of the Law) but the Sprit gives life.]

Paul also said that we are fulfil the Law's righteous intent.

Paul said that Fruits of the Spirt , against such their is no law.

what did he not say is a fruit of the Spirt?

Sabbath keeping.
 
SophieT said:
people have addressed you with scripture multiple times and you ignore it

when you are ready to discuss the verses posted by others, a proper discussion might be had

Jesus broke this Sabbath law you are so insistent on. you ignore it. you cannot expect people to take you seriously when you do things like that

Jesus Heals on the Sabbath
3 Another time Jesus went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there. 2 Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath. 3 Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Stand up in front of everyone.”

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.

5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus. Mark 3


see that? the Pharisees became angry because Jesus didn't follow their fake Sabbath day worship

sound familiar?
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What is your definition of Holy? My understanding would equate it to GOOD. Jesus uses GOOD to describe GOD in Matthew 19 while talking to the rich man. So this changes my understanding of the command, Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy. Are you speaking of the Sabbath as the Law or as the Commandment? The Law, I feel, impacts the Israelite's of the bible as their part of the Covenant. I am a Gentile so I don't participate in this. I participate in the blood of Jesus for my Salvation. The Commands are my Rules for Life. So if GOD is GOOD then doing GOOD in my view is not breaking the Sabbath. When you think about the World today you can understand how the Keepers of the Law or Pharisees might have been acting or adding to the yoke of the original Law.
 
gb9 said:
Paul also said the letter ( of the Law) but the Sprit gives life.]

Paul also said that we are fulfil the Law's righteous intent.

Paul said that Fruits of the Spirt , against such their is no law.

what did he not say is a fruit of the Spirt?

Sabbath keeping.
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you are twisting it....

When we walk in the Spirit we perfectly obey the law. When we do Gods will we obey the law, the Fruit of the Spirit is obeying the law, The moral law is love for God and loving our neighbour. But what ever way you package it the law is to be obeyed because we love God. what ever way you package it the law is Good.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
 
Cygnus said:
What is your definition of Holy? My understanding would equate it to GOOD. Jesus uses GOOD to describe GOD in Matthew 19 while talking to the rich man. So this changes my understanding of the command, Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy. Are you speaking of the Sabbath as the Law or as the Commandment? The Law, I feel, impacts the Israelite's of the bible as their part of the Covenant. I am a Gentile so I don't participate in this. I participate in the blood of Jesus for my Salvation. The Commands are my Rules for Life. So if GOD is GOOD then doing GOOD in my view is not breaking the Sabbath. When you think about the World today you can understand how the Keepers of the Law or Pharisees might have been acting or adding to the yoke of the original Law.
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I agree that the Pharisees were adding to the law and making it a burden and that's why Jesus showed them and taught them what the Sabbath was about. You said "The Law, I feel, impacts the Israelite's of the bible as their part of the Covenant." Surely you have read posts about the two different laws, and the Sabbath was part of the moral law which did not end at the cross. keeping the Sabbath today as we have been shown by Jesus does not make us Pharisees or legalistic. When people choose to not steel and not to lie and not to take Gods name in vain they are not called Pharisees but often a sabbath keeper is.

It is the same moral law and Jesus said it would not change.
 
gb9 said:
as a Jewish man, born under the Law, He was required to.

since gentiles were never under the Law, they ( we) are under no such requirement, as having never been commanded to keep it.

no matter ellen white says...
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I try my best to follow scripture. It doesn't matter to me what man or woman teaches unless I believe it lines up with scripture. It's not my concern what ellen white teaches or doesn't teach. I don't put any man, woman, church or organization above the scriptures.



Leviticus 24:22

Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.


Exodus 12:49

A single law exists for the native and the alien who resides among you.


Exodus 20:8-10

“Remember the Sabbath day, maintaining its holiness. 9 Six days you are to labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. You are not to do any work—neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your livestock, NOR ANY FOREIGNER WHO LIVES AMONG YOU.


Like I've mentioned in previous posts, all laws were not given to all people. There were laws specific for men, some for woman, some for priests... some for certain people at certain times... and some for all to carry out throughout the generations forever. This is why circumcision was so controversial... The question wasn't whether or not the law was valid, it was who did it apply to.

I wish it were as simple as saying either all of God's laws apply to us now, or none of them do... but it doesn't work that way. It works just like our modern mans laws work... I believe at 18 only men are still required to sign up for the draft... there are certain things you can or can't do based on age, or location, etc.... but stealing or killing are still universal laws.
 
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I agree that the Pharisees were adding to the law and making it a burden and that's why Jesus showed them and taught them what the Sabbath was about. You said "The Law, I feel, impacts the Israelite's of the bible as their part of the Covenant." Surely you have read posts about the two different laws, and the Sabbath was part of the moral law which did not end at the cross. keeping the Sabbath today as we have been shown by Jesus does not make us Pharisees or legalistic. When people choose to not steel and not to lie and not to take Gods name in vain they are not called Pharisees but often a sabbath keeper is.

It is the same moral law and Jesus said it would not change.
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In other forums I have been attacked for the same thing. Jesus was clear in Matthew 5:

7“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved. 19So if you ignore the least commandment and teach others to do the same, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But anyone who obeys God’s laws and teaches them will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
20“But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!

Jesus seems to qualify his statement with "Until Heaven and Earth pass away", which to me, would link into Revelations where it speaks of a New Heaven and a New Earth. Jesus reminds us in John 3 in his exchange with Nicodemus that we are merely MEN. We know there is a spirit but we don't know where it comes from or where it goes, we just know it is there. Our musings are just that, Musings, because no MAN has been to heaven and returned. Man cannot speak with Power or Authority about these things. Jesus could because Heaven was his home or abode. He left and came to Earth to die for our sins.

I don't know about 2 Laws, I do see the 2 distinct things, The Commandments and The Jewish Religious Law. So the Commandments were given at one point in time and the Religious Law was given at another.

The New Testament uses words such as "those who keep the faith and the commands". Jesus said in John 14:15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Then you have the words of Jesus in John 15:
9As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you. Remain in My love. 10If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and remain in His love. 11I have told you these things so that My joy may be in you and your joy may be complete.

I tend to take a simple reading of scripture and take Jesus at face value...
 
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no matter what you judeaizers say, Jesus rose on sunday.



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What is your point?
 
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