Biblical Eternal Security vs 'Calvinistic Eternal Security' -by Gregg Jackson

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Kidron said:
When will you start?
You teach that people are saved before they Believe.
That's not just theological error, thats illogical.

Listen..

SIN has to be dealt with before a person can be born again.
Your teaching is that while people are sinners, and before they have believed in Jesus, they are already born again.

So, whatever you are, regarding a denomination, is not related to any mainline Christian Denomiantion.

I know you wont tell us if you are Mormon or a JW, but, your theology is so strange to the ears of any Mainline Protestant Denomination hearer, that its just sound queer and kinda crazy.
Do you even realize this?
Believe it.
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Where did free will come from?
 
Evmur said:
if there were such a thing as freewill it would have power.
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It has the power of Choice, every single time it makes it.

Who decided that you would join this forum?
Did God make you do it?

Who decided what you would eat today?
Did God choose if for you?


See, this "pre-destined elect" mentality, is like being insane.
There is no logic, there is no right thinking, its just.......total penetration into heresy.
Totally darkened mind that Blames God as its reason to exist.
 
FreeGrace2 said:
JerryInBoston said:
Does a dead man have free will to resurrect himself?

Nope. Man HAS free will. But man has NO choice about resurrecting himself.

See? You continue to set up a straw man argument; that free will is a power. Please stop it.


Of course there is the need for the cross. Adam and the woman HAD freedom to choose and they chose to eat of the forbidden tree. And the consequences meant Jesus had to go to the cross.


There is no need for any apostle to mention free will. Why? Because it is so OBVIOUS. Read Romans 6 and how many options Paul gave the believers.
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if freewill has no power it is not an entity ... it does not exist
 
Evmur said:
and if God closes their eyes that they see not and stops up their ears that they hear not?
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You are misreading Isa 6:9,10.

Let's have it from Dr Luke in Acts 28-
25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: “The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet:
26 “ ‘Go to this people and say, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”
27 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

Red words are what the peope to do themselves.
Blue words are what they COULD do if they chose.
Green words are God's response to their proper choice.
 
Kidron said:
It has the power of Choice, every single time it makes it.

Who decided that you would join this forum?
Did God make you do it?

Who decided what you would eat today?
Did God choose if for you?


See, this "pre-destined elect" mentality, is like being insane.
There is no logic, there is no right thinking, its just.......total penetration into heresy.
Totally darkened mind that Blames God as its reason to exist.
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if there were no forum I could have no choice, if there were no salvation I could not be saved.

Big Chief Sitting Bull did not get a choice.
 
JerryInBoston said:
Where did free will come from?
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From God.

God made man in His IMAGE.

"image", = Likeness..........
This is why Jesus said...>"ye are gods'.

If you understand Adam and Eve, then you will know that "God breathed into Adam", and this is the SPRIIT OF GOD.
Its the same thing that Jesus performed, when He saw the Apostles, after HE rose from the Dead..... and "breathed on them".

Adam was made by God, but His body had no life in it.
God put His Spirit into Adam and Adam became a LIVING SOUL>.....which is, a Spiritual LIFE.

So, Adam's free will came from God, who created humans to have this internal capacity of Spirit that is active in the mind. (soul realm)

Here is what you need to understand, reader.

If you have no free will........then How can God hold you accountable for sin or for anything, if you dont choose it for yourself.
God could not hold you responsible for what you do if you are being forced to do it.
God could not hold you accountable for being a Christ Rejector, unless you have the free will to make that choice.
 
FreeGrace2 said:
You are misreading Isa 6:9,10.

Let's have it from Dr Luke in Acts 28-
25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: “The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet:
26 “ ‘Go to this people and say, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.”
27 For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

Red words are what the peope to do themselves.
Blue words are what they COULD do if they chose.
Green words are God's response to their proper choice.
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their calloused hearts negates the idea that they had freewill. in another place the Lord said they could not understand because they were children of the devil.
 
Evmur said:
if freewill has no power it is not an entity ... it does not exist
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Is this really what you think???

So, everything that is an "entity" has 'power', eh? Where do you come up with these things?

Is a rock an entity? How much power does it have?

Is my ink pen an entity? How much power does it have?

I could go on and on, but I hope you are beginning to see the point here.

In the morning when it time to get dressed, who decides the clothes you will wear? If someone does that, then you don't have free will in what you wear that day. But if you decide the clothes you put on, then you DO have the free will in your clothing choice.
 
Kidron said:
From God.

God made man in His IMAGE.

"image", = Likeness..........
This is why Jesus said...>"ye are gods'.

If you understand Adam and Eve, then you will know that "God breathed into Adam", and this is the SPRIIT OF GOD.
Its the same thing that Jesus performed, when He saw the Apostles, after HE rose from the Dead..... and "breathed on them".

Adam was made by God, but His body had no life in it.
God put His spirit into Adam and Adam became a LIVING SOUL>.....which is, a Spiritual LIFE.

So, Adam's free will came from God, who created humans to have this internal capacity of Spirit that is active in the mind. (soul realm)

Here is what you need to understand, reader.

If you have no free will........then How can God hold you accountable for sin and for anything, if you dont choose it for yourself.
God could not hold you responsible for what you do if you are being forced to do it.
God could not hold you accountable for being a Christ Rejector, unless you have the free will to make that choice.
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but Adam's children are born in Adam's image.
 
Evmur said:
but Adam's children are born in Adam's image.
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Because of Adam's "Spiritual" fall....

See, we get our "nature" from our father.
Our father came from Adam, who had a fallen nature......or 'Adamic Nature".
We are born of this adamic nature, and that is the "sin nature".

JESUS......has GOD as His Father.
He was born of Holy Seed, so, He was born without the adamic nature or the sin nature.
 
FreeGrace2 said:
Is this really what you think???

So, everything that is an "entity" has 'power', eh? Where do you come up with these things?

Is a rock an entity? How much power does it have?

Is my ink pen an entity? How much power does it have?

I could go on and on, but I hope you are beginning to see the point here.

In the morning when it time to get dressed, who decides the clothes you will wear? If someone does that, then you don't have free will in what you wear that day. But if you decide the clothes you put on, then you DO have the free will in your clothing choice.
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what is the purpose of speaking about human freewill that has no power? if it has no power then it is in bondage, just as the bible says

what part of bondage do you understand as freewill?
 
JerryInBoston said:
Did man exercise his free will to sin?
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God could not have held him accountable for the disobedience, if Adam had no free will.

Think of it like this..

Would God tell Adam and EVE...>"tho shalt NOT EAT of that Tree"........If they had no free will, to choose to disobey?

They CHOSE to disobey, = free will.
 
Kidron said:
Because of Adam's "Spiritual" fall....

See, we get our "nature" from our father.
Our father came from Adam, who had a fallen nature......or 'Adamic Nature".
We are born of this adamic nature, and that is the "sin nature".

JESUS......has GOD as His Father.
He was born of Holy Seed, so, He was born without the adamic nature or the sin nature.
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... surely we have a choice ...[ironic]

these are your contradictions.
 
Evmur said:
... surely we have a choice ...[ironic]

these are your contradictions.
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"choice" is free will.

You now have a choice to respond to this post
That is your free will.
Enjoy it., as you are accountable for it.
 
Evmur said:
if there were no forum I could have no choice, if there were no salvation I could not be saved.

Big Chief Sitting Bull did not get a choice.
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You decided to make every choice you made today, and tomorrow.
Choice is "free will".
 
Kidron said:
God could not have held him accountable for the disobedience, if Adam had no free will.

Think of it like this..

Would God tell Adam and EVE...>"tho shalt NOT EAT of that Tree"........If they had no free will, to choose to disobey?

They CHOSE to disobey, = free will.
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No that is back to front, if God had given man freewill He could not blame them for choosing, where do you read God said "behold I give you freewill"

What God gave them was a command "don't eat from that tree" the command negates freewill.
 
Evmur said:
The faith to believe is a gift
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Free will is the reason a person makes a choice to believe in Jesus or not.

God does not choose that for you.........You choose it for yourself, and that is why you can't stand before God after you die and say....."you made me not choose Christ"....>"you forced me not to choose to be saved".

And God will say......"Liars are not permitted to stay here, just like Christ Rejectors are not permitted to stay here"..

= "DEPART !!!"
 
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