Paul's Instructions to Timothy in how to be a Minister of God's Word

[AandW]

The denomination that is engaged in the....."God speaks to me, and tells me what im to say to you as a Prophecy", is always Pentecostal-Charismatic related.
See, the " speaking prophecy" denominations are always Pentecostal- Charismatic, related., as its only these groups that worry about this stuff, except for a few that are caught up in #7

1. "the infilling of the Holy Spirit"

2. "a second work of Grace"

3. "tongues are proof you are born again, and they only proof you are filled with the Spirit"

4. Worrying about a "prayer language".

5. Chasing Gifts of the Spirit all their lives , instead of actually doing anything for God and Christ.

6. Entire sanctification

7. Losing your salvation.

I don't come from nor follow anything Modern being taught today.
And there are so many things on your list that mean nothing to me.
So, [I don't know nor understand or wish to] to what confusion you have witnessed to get your idealism's from, in order to create this backwards way of classifying certain Denominations. But the majority listed here, that is no Movement i know of.

 

[AandW]

rest assured

you did a great job of twisting'

I think I missed where you answered me about where the idea for the thread came from

would you please reference it for me?

Post #30

SophieT said:
a misuse of scripture...that isn't what I asked though., where did you get this from? is what I asked



AandW said:
I did see it elsewhere where it's being used correctly.

I thought how would it go over, [knowing somethings like the complete extent of what Paul could mean Prophetic Utterances to be from his explanations of related materials and Gifts from his letters to the Corinthians].....could people see something that wasn't really there?

Satan is known for quoting, misquoting, and very subtly like you can easily miss it, Scripture that people believe as Gospel.

False Preachers/Teachers can do the very same.

We have numerous threads relating to Kundalini Spirits, Demonic possessed actions of people claiming to be of Christ, and this all relates to how a Verse can be ever slightly manipulated and argued over miss translation and end up passing as Gospel.

 

[Kidron]

I don't come from nor follow anything Modern being taught today.
.

You said this.....

"""""I believe in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and believe they are active."""""

Notice you said you "believe in", the gifts?
That's an interesting way to describe it.

Paul is the one who taught about them, and he said something that you might want to do.
He said to earnestly desire the "best gifts"...
And what are those? Those are the ones that are found at the top of the List, and not at the bottom.

#8 & #9, have to do with tongues, which are the least of the gifts, yet, Charismatics chase these the most.
That's interesting isnt it?

Here is something else that is interesting.
The most Carnal church that Paul dealt with, was the Corinthians.
They didnt even know that holy Spirit was in them.
These Corinthians, were the most carnal, of all Paul's converts, ...they were literally in their diapers......"baby Christians".....knowing nothing.
And what where they worried about? = TONGUES.
They were worried about this, and why?
Because babies always chase gifts.

 

[AandW]

You said this.....

"""""I believe in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and believe they are active."""""

Notice you said you "believe in", the gifts?
That's an interesting way to describe it.

Paul is the one who taught about them, and he said something that you might want to do.
He said to earnestly desire the "best gifts"...
And what are those? Those are the ones that are found at the top of the List, and not at the bottom.

#8 & #9, have to do with tongues, which are the least of the gifts, yet, Charismatics chase these the most.
That's interesting isnt it?

Here is something else that is interesting.
The most Carnal church that Paul dealt with, was the Corinthians.
They didnt even know that holy Spirit was in them.
These Corinthians, were the most carnal, of all Paul's converts, ...they were literally in their diapers......"baby Christians".....knowing nothing.
And what where they worried about? = TONGUES.
They were worried about this, and why?
Because babies always chase gifts.

I chase nothing.
The Gifts I have can only come from God.
I can not earn or be rewarded something that would not make me myself.
I am who God wanted me to be.

 

[Kidron]

I
The Gifts I have can only come from God.

Al gift come from God.
All good things come from God.
All Charismatics chase "tongues"., not realizing that the "gift of tongues" is not the "prayer language" that you are confused about, as "utterances".

 

[AandW]

Al gift come from God.
All good things come from God.
All Charismatics chase "tongues"., not realizing that the "gift of tongues" is not the "prayer language" that you are confused about, as "utterances".

You are making claims you have no idea that even factually exist among Believers of God.
No one can chase anything.
Which is why I began my last post with, I chase NOTHING!

 

[Kidron]

You are making claims you have no idea that even factually exist among Believers of God.

I quoted you.
You told us that you believe in the gifts.
Why are you the one that needs us to know that?
Arn't you the one that wrote this Thread that tried to teach that perhaps the elders wanted Timothy to continue speaking in Tongues?
Why do you need to try to misrepresent a verse, by implying that Timothy was speaking in Tongues, when he wasn't, according to the verse you posted.?
What are you needing to prove, by implying that Timothy was speaking in tongues?

 

[ResidentAlien]

A verse I've heard quoted frequently as a justification for prophesying in tongues is Acts 19:6: "And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied." I've been in many charismatic churches where someone stands up and gives a "prophecy" in tongues, which is then interpreted by someone. But that's not what Acts 19:6 is saying. Acts 19:1 makes it clear there were "some disciples," plural. So there were at least several people, some were speaking in tongues, which we know from scripture involves praising and glorifying God; and others were prophesying. They weren't prophesying in unknown tongues, this idea is foreign to scripture.

 

[AandW]

I quoted you.
You told us that you believe in the gifts.
Why are you the one that needs us to know that?
Arn't you the one that wrote this Thread that tried to teach that perhaps the elders wanted Timothy to continue speaking in Tongues?
Why do you need to try to misrepresent a verse, by implying that Timothy was speaking in Tongues, when he wasn't, according to the verse you posted.?
What are you needing to prove, by implying that Timothy was speaking in tongues?

I have no need to tie Timothy to Speaking in Tongues because I don't believe Speaking in Tongues means Prophetic Utterance.

I do believe in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit, because we read they were real and tangible and we see great things done because of them from Chapter Acts onward through Paul's Letters.

 

[Kidron]

I have no need to tie Timothy to Speaking in Tongues .

What God wants you to do , is be honest.
Listen, dont try so hard to be RIGHT that you have to bend the truth to try to prove it.

See, you just wrote that you have "no need to tie Timothy to Speaking in Tongues", which is not true.
As here is what your original Thread says...

""""""Is Paul teaching Timothy how to continue Speaking in Tongues '"""""""


Notice again, that you said "continue speaking in Tongues"......so, that is you changing the verse, by implying that Timothy was already speaking in Tongues....

And now you say you have no need to prove it, yet Your Thread, tried to prove it.

So, just be honest, as the people here are paying attention.
Believe it.

 

[AandW]

A verse I've heard quoted frequently as a justification for prophesying in tongues is Acts 19:6: "And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied." I've been in many charismatic churches where someone stands up and gives a "prophecy" in tongues, which is then interpreted by someone. But that's not what Acts 19:6 is saying. Acts 19:1 makes it clear there were "some disciples," plural. So there were at least several people, some were speaking in tongues, which we know from scripture involves praising and glorifying God; and others were prophesying. They weren't prophesying in unknown tongues, this idea is foreign to scripture.

Interpretation, which Paul speaks more about in terms of someone speaking in Tongues, and it was a moment that hushed into a complete silence, then 1 person Speaks in Tongues, and then someone afterwards speaks in understandable Language and can be heard [Interpreting]. Prophesy is different and can happen any moment. Many times Interpretation of Tongues is a Warning. Most Prophecy was dealing with furthering the goal of God.

But I unfortunately have seen the example where they have attempted to mix the two as being similar.

Many wrong ideas stem from that!

 

[AandW]

What God wants you to do , is be honest.
Listen, dont try so hard to be RIGHT that you have to bend the truth to try to prove it.

See, you just wrote that you have "no need to tie Timothy to Speaking in Tongues", which is not true.
As here is what your original Thread says...

""""""Is Paul teaching Timothy how to continue Speaking in Tongues '"""""""


Notice again, that you said "continue speaking in Tongues"......so, that is you changing the verse, by implying that Timothy was already speaking in Tongues....

And now you say you have no need to prove it, yet Your Thread, tried to prove it.

So, just be honest, as the people here are paying attention.
Believe it.

I love You, Brother, you really care enough for my Soul to continue this!
That is Awesome, Brother

But I promise you, i do not literally believe Speaking in Tongues is same as Prophetic Utterances.

 

[Kidron]

Interpretation,

What you mean is..."misinterpretation".....as if you have interpretation, there is no misinterpretation.

So, here is the misinterpretation.....

99.9% of Charismatic-Pentecostals do not know what the "gift of Tongues" actually is, and so they misinterpret it a "prayer language"

 

[Kidron]

I love You, Brother, you really care enough for my Soul to continue this!
That is Awesome, Brother
But I promise you, i do not literally believe Speaking in Tongues is same as Prophetic Utterances.

And if you had not tried to prove that Timothy was to continue speaking in Tongues, when in fact, he never did in the verse,......this Thread could have been not only just beneficial to the people who are reading what im writing.

 

[SophieT]

Post #30

SophieT said:
a misuse of scripture...that isn't what I asked though., where did you get this from? is what I asked



AandW said:
I did see it elsewhere where it's being used correctly.

how is that saying where you got the op from?

saying "I saw it elsewhere" is not saying where you saw it...only that you saw it

murky and quirky

 

[AandW]

What you mean is..."misinterpretation".....as if you have interpretation, there is no misinterpretation.

So, here is the misinterpretation.....

99.9% of Charismatic-Pentecostals do not know what the "gift of Tongues" actually is, and so they misinterpret it a "prayer language"

You thought the LAW was the actual SIN that people commit as sinners in our other discussion.
Like when Eve ate the fruit, she committed a broken LAW, not committed a SIN directly unto God.
It would be very unlikely I would find your response to Interpretation, or to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and their functioning, as sound and reasonable according to Scripture.

 

[AandW]

And if you had not tried to prove that Timothy was to continue speaking in Tongues, when in fact, he never did in the verse,......this Thread could have been not only just beneficial to the people who are reading what im writing.

I did not try anything but to see how well it would work out.
My only intention was to see if anyone would buy it.
It wasn't like I believed something and then started trying to get people to see my view on it.
I admitted to it each time a poster pointed it out.
There was nothing to gain by this thread other than to see if someone would buy it.

 

[Kidron]

You thought the LAW was the actual SIN that people commit as sinners in our other discussion.
.

The reason you didn't use a quote, is because you are making this up.
You should try to be honest.

 

[Kidron]

I did not try anything but to see how well it would work out.
My only intention was to see if anyone would buy it.
t.

Why are you trying to sell, twisting verses in the NT?

 

[SophieT]

I did not try anything but to see how well it would work out.
My only intention was to see if anyone would buy it.
It wasn't like I believed something and then started trying to get people to see my view on it.
I admitted to it each time a poster pointed it out.
There was nothing to gain by this thread other than to see if someone would buy it.

this is a crazy making response

I have seldom seen the like of such word salad and confusion

aaaaannnndddd you can quote me