Sabbath

[Tinkerbell725]

All I know is that whatever is in the Bible is for us. You can't pick and choose what to believe in the Bible and what not to believe. God says anyone who adds or takes away from the Bible is cursed. You either believe all of it or none at all. God bless.

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

It is not picking and choosing. It is called studying the word of God by rightly dividing. You are the one picking and choosing. You picked the verse in James that is written for the tribes of Israel scattered abroad because it fits your belief. While you ignore Ephesians 2:8-9 written for the church

we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works

 

[gb9]

As long as what she says doesn't disagree with the Bible, I have no problems with her. The Word of God is my authority. God bless brother, and peace and love to you.

tells me all i need to know. thanks.

 

[Charlie16]

Hebrews 4: 9,10 “There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His.”

Now, in Christ, our Sabbath rest is a way of life, not just 1/7 of a man’s time. A man, having died to himself, also died to the requirements of the law. A man in Christ is a man in Sabbath rest, for God/Christ is currently at rest. A man who says Sabbath is 1/7 of his time in not at rest at least 6/7 of his time. For God lives through the man in Christ and God is currently at rest in the Sabbath.

In Genesis 2:3, God specifically blessed the seventh day. In Exodus 20:8-11, He tells us to observe it. I do agree that we find rest in God, but the Sabbath day was made for rest from the work we do on a daily basis. Even though we find rest in God, we still have to work during the week. That's why God blessed the seventh day as the Sabbarh so that we could take a break and commune with Him, and ultimately remember the creation. God easily could've blessed every day and made it the Sabbath everyday, but He didn't. He specifically specified one day of the week. Gos bless you, and peace and love to you.

 

[Charlie16]

It is not picking and choosing. It is called studying the word of God by rightly dividing. You are the one picking and choosing. You picked the verse in James that is written for the tribes of Israel scattered abroad because it fits your belief. While you ignore Ephesians 2:8-9 written for the church

we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works

Everything in the Bible is written for the Church.

 

[Charlie16]

tells me all i need to know. thanks.

Hopefully good things haha. Have a blessed day!

 

[Charlie16]

It is not picking and choosing. It is called studying the word of God by rightly dividing. You are the one picking and choosing. You picked the verse in James that is written for the tribes of Israel scattered abroad because it fits your belief. While you ignore Ephesians 2:8-9 written for the church

we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works

And those letters Paul wrote were to specific churches that he was writing to, that's why he says "for the church in". But even he quotes old testament stories in his writings, which further proves the validity of them and all books in the Bible.

 

[gb9]

Hopefully good things haha. Have a blessed day!

no, it is not thing that anyone believes anything she said.

total heretic she was..

 

[Charlie16]

no, it is not thing that anyone believes anything she said.

total heretic she was..

Well a lot of the things she said agreed with the Bible so I don't see why her writings should be totally disregarded. I've read some of her books and they provide a lot of good advice that is biblically based.

 

[gb9]

anyone who says that gentiles should be keeping the jewish Sabbath and /or that Sabbath keeping has anything to do with salvation should be totally disregarded.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

Everything in the Bible is written for the Church.

If that is what you believe then I understand why you believe in a false doctrine works salvation. If you don't rightly divide then contradictions are everwhere in the Scriptures and you will come up with false doctrines.

 

[Charlie16]

anyone who says that gentiles should be keeping the jewish Sabbath and /or that Sabbath keeping has anything to do with salvation should be totally disregarded.

The Sabbath is God's Sabbath, no need to add the Jewish part to it. I don't think that Sabbath keeping is the only thing that determines your salvation, but in the last days it will be important because it's the mark of God. You don't have to believe that she is a prophet though, that has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or not. Whether she is or she isn't, it's up to the individual to decide. However, if it's in the Bible, then we should go about it, and the fact is that Sabbath keeping being the mark of God in the last days, and Sabbath breaking being the mark of the beast is biblical. It may not determine your salvation right now, but if you can't keep it now while you're free, how will you be able to keep it in the end times when your salvation may count on it?
"... 9 If anyone worships the beast and hi image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

 

[Charlie16]

If that is what you believe then I understand why you believe in a false doctrine works salvation. If you don't rightly divide then contradictions are everwhere in the Scriptures and you will come up with false doctrines.

I never said works equal salvation. I said that faith without works is dead, which the Bible supports. The Bible or God never said that we need to divide it properly in order to understand it. Did you read in the Bible that we are to divide it?

 

[Charlie16]

The Sabbath is God's Sabbath, no need to add the Jewish part to it. I don't think that Sabbath keeping is the only thing that determines your salvation, but in the last days it will be important because it's the mark of God. You don't have to believe that she is a prophet though, that has nothing to do with whether you believe in God or not. Whether she is or she isn't, it's up to the individual to decide. However, if it's in the Bible, then we should go about it, and the fact is that Sabbath keeping being the mark of God in the last days, and Sabbath breaking being the mark of the beast is biblical. It may not determine your salvation right now, but if you can't keep it now while you're free, how will you be able to keep it in the end times when your salvation may count on it?
"... 9 If anyone worships the beast and hi image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Again, this is all Bible based information. History also proves this. If you're still interested in why the mark of the beast is breaking the Sabbath or worshipping on Sunday, here is a video that explains it beautifully with the Bible.

 

[MattforJesus]

There's a simple answer to this question. If you think that the 4th commandment isn't binding anymore, then you also have to believe that all of the commandments aren't binding anymore, but that can't be true because Jesus Himself kept the commandments including the fourth one. He observed the Sabbath. Since we are to follow his example, it seems logical that we should keep the Sabbath as well.
God bless you all, love and peace to all of you.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

We are to keep the 4th commandment but in the New Testament it is a spiritual rest by the Holy Spirit.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross for they were contrary to us because they had no bearing on spiritual salvation.

The sabbath days was a shadow of things to come but the body is of Christ which is by the Holy Spirit.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The kingdom of God is within you when you have the Holy Spirit and you celebrate the new creation that Jesus went away to prepare for the saints the New Jerusalem.

In the New Testament it is a spiritual rest by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

I never said works equal salvation. I said that faith without works is dead, which the Bible supports. The Bible or God never said that we need to divide it properly in order to understand it. Did you read in the Bible that we are to divide it?

So what do you mean by faith without works is dead? Useless faith right? If your faith is useless are you saved? And what are you gonna do with Ephesians 2:8-9? Salvation by faith alone. Ignore it? That is one of the contradictions in the Bible but if you apply it to different groups of people at different time periods then there will be no contradiction.

 

[MattforJesus]

Again, this is all Bible based information. History also proves this. If you're still interested in why the mark of the beast is breaking the Sabbath or worshipping on Sunday, here is a video that explains it beautifully with the Bible.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark will be a device that is put under the skin for the definition is to stick, prick,and a mark incised or punched which is referring it to be put in something which is under the skin for the mark is given to people.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology for the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind, and benefit them, but mankind's technology and devices can help to achieve peace on earth.

Going along with the beast's agenda and worshipping the beast precedes taking the mark of the beast, and when they take the mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God can end sin on earth.

The New Age Christ, beast, will be of the occult, and the occult believes in the power of numbers for they are about the power of nature, and the adding, timing, and grouping of numbers which they believe will give them more power through nature.

The number 6 is the number of a man, or the soul of a man, so the New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to evolve to be greater and spiritual, and to establish his kingdom.

The New Age Christ will work in the world for three and one half years and push the agenda of the new age movement to condition the world to accept him when he claims to be God.

 

[Charlie16]

So what do you mean by faith without works is dead? Useless faith right? If your faith is useless are you saved? And what are you gonna do with Ephesians 2:8-9? Salvation by faith alone. Ignore it? That is one of the contradictions in the Bible but if you apply it to different groups of people at different time periods then there will be no contradiction.

When you have faith, naturally there will also be works added to it. If you have faith in God then your actions will reflect that. I'm not saying that faith without works is dead, the Bible is. I'm still curious to where in the Bible it says we should take some parts of it out to understand it properly.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

When you have faith, naturally there will also be works added to it. If you have faith in God then your actions will reflect that. I'm not saying that faith without works is dead, the Bible is. I'm still curious to where in the Bible it says we should take some parts of it out to understand it properly.

It is called dispensationalism. Study the word not just read it.


Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15 KJV

 

[SophieT]

I'm still curious to where in the Bible it says we should take some parts of it out to understand it properly.

no one said one single thing about taking anything out of the Bible. please do not add to what others say

but you do need to understand the Bible properly and the fact that the Old Testament is the foundation for the new

Jesus is our High Priest and His blood is sufficient to cleanse us from all sin. we are not judged on what day we worship and we are not judged on keeping special days. we do not sacrifice animals, which is an integral part of keeping the commandments and 613 laws so specializing in keeping just one law is nonsense

 

[Charlie16]

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark will be a device that is put under the skin for the definition is to stick, prick,and a mark incised or punched which is referring it to be put in something which is under the skin for the mark is given to people.

The mark of the beast has to do with technology for the beast's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind, and benefit them, but mankind's technology and devices can help to achieve peace on earth.

Going along with the beast's agenda and worshipping the beast precedes taking the mark of the beast, and when they take the mark then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God can end sin on earth.

The New Age Christ, beast, will be of the occult, and the occult believes in the power of numbers for they are about the power of nature, and the adding, timing, and grouping of numbers which they believe will give them more power through nature.

The number 6 is the number of a man, or the soul of a man, so the New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature to evolve to be greater and spiritual, and to establish his kingdom.

The New Age Christ will work in the world for three and one half years and push the agenda of the new age movement to condition the world to accept him when he claims to be God.

The papacy is the beast in that prophecy. If you watch the video that I put, it'll explain all of that to you. The Pope is what is represented by 666. The mark is not physical, just like the beast they mention isn't an actual animal. The forehead represents the mind (Romans 7:25 "Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin) and the hand represents our works (Ecclesiastes 9:10 "Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going."). And again, if you watch this video it explains all of this perfectly. God bless and love and peace to you.