John 3:16
You believe go to heaven mean stop believe lose heaven
Now your turn to answer my question
Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?
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You believe go to heaven mean stop believe lose heaven
Now your turn to answer my question
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eternally-gratefull
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john 3: 16, Whoever believes will never die and has eternal life Why don;t you believe this
You know I cant answer your question. Because the Bible does not say those exact words. Thats why I asked you to show me some other way they thought they would get to heaven.
They continually when asked said they obeyed the law So that is why they thought they would get to heaven. If you can;t understand that. I can;t help you
I do believe
If you believe go to heaven that mean if you don’t believe or stop believe not go
Now my question what verse say Pharisees is legalist
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eternally-gratefull
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So you just ignore the fact that Jesus said we would never die and have eternal life. Saying we can still die and we have conditional life?
Plus, John said that if we stop believing we are against Christ, and those who do it have never been saved.
Again, there is no verse that says that plainly, I already admitted that, But if you do not think they are legalistic. You have more problems than I can help you with.
You ignor the fact that Jesus say whosoever believe mean no believe no eternal life stop believe stop eternal life
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eternally-gratefull
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You ignore the point that Jesus said whoever believes in me WILL NEVER DIE AND HAS ETERNAL LIFE.
If I HAVE THESE THINGS gthg moment I believe, and I can lose them, then I CAN STILL DIE< AND DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.
Take the word literally.
if jesus says that those who are presently believing will never die and has eternal life he means it. It means there is no possibility at a later date they can lose these things.
NEVER and ETERNAL are the key word/
If they could be lost. Jesus would say MAY never die, and has CONDITIONAL life. He did nto say this
Jesus tell the requirement that is believe Jesus not say whoever believe will never stppp believe
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eternally-gratefull
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Jesus said whoever believe WILL NEVER DIE, and HAS ETERNAL LIFE At the moment they believed. Not later
Do me a favor. Don’t Offer someone an eternal gift, and say if they do this they will never die and not mean it. Because they will call you a liar. And you will not have a good reputation. You will be seen as a deceiver.
Just remember. His is what you are saying Christ is.
Don’t you read the requirement?
Believe
Matt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
Endure mean keep his believe to the end mean not endure to the end not saved
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eternally-gratefull
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Yeah
dont you read what anyone who believes will recieve the moment they do that?
will never die, has eternal life
Now did Jesu Lie, Or did he mean what he said.
I believed when I was almost 10. According to John 3: 16 at that moment I had jesus promise that I will never die and have eternal life.
Did Jesus lie to me? Or does his promise stand?
He who endures to the end is not written to you unless your alive during the great tribulation period. Do you read passages? Jesus was talking about and to those who are in the great tribulation period. Not everyone.
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eternally-gratefull
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That passage spoke of physical life. Whoever endures until Christ returns will be physically saved and not suffer physical death.
I don’t believe endure only for people that experience tribulation
Tribulation hard to endure it must Need little break
If requisite endurance on get in How much more normal situation
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eternally-gratefull
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I never said tribulation once again you have failed to read what I have said
I said GREAT TRIBULATION
Matt 24 is about the end times
Great tribulation is a period on earth where there is great tribulation such as has never been seen before.\
It is THIS TIME period where jesus said whoever endures to the end will be saved.
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eternally-gratefull
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There is no spiritual in that word either
YOU READ CONTEXT!
Matt 24: Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
It is talking a bout the last days my friend. And yes it is talking about physical life.
When jesus says "I never knew you" and john is talking about "they went out from us" they are both talking about false prophets in the context, and not about apostates.
Jesus' problem with the Pharasees wasn't their teaching of doing good. He often agreed with the scribes and Pharasees. Jesus even said people had to do what the Pharasees said. His problem was that they themselves were hypocrites; and their non-belief in him as messiah. All the Pharasees had to do was accept that the Messiah was going to free Israel in the future (in his time) and not in their time, and they probably would have been fine. They were just so fixated on their political freedom that it corrupted them.
Suppose endure to the and will be save is that mean some that die because being murder physically for not taking the mark of the beast will not save and go to hell?
Yes. Absolutely obedience is necessary for salvation.
Only those who obey the Gospel are saved.
And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9
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